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[Alistair Crowley]

1. Only way to get enough money in the game to get a lot of the great items of the game is to be a Dwarf Nobel, and sell everything to Gorim. Sure if you play on normal or casual you save money but I'm not looking for easy. Lets not forget its MORE expensive to create a potion than it is to buy one (WTF).

Just outright not true for my first playthough. My hard difficulty game I got everything I *needed*. Why would you need everything to be the best? Having to choose between what to get is not a bad thing IMO. Maybe you spent too much on potions?

2. The pathing system during combat is at times atrocious ... you know what they say "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line" ... a lot of times your ai finds it hard to move around people in the battle field and be "stuck" between two people fighting as he's trying to get to his mark.

Somewhat true. I micromanage a lot, so I don't see this issue much.

3. A nonsense skill/technique tree so my fighter can learn to brew potions and make traps yet only rogues can pick locks? I don't really mind this but it doesn't make much sense to me.

This is not dungeons and dragons. BG had lots of similar funny limitations, but it is not easy to see them when you love the game (I do too).

4. 80% of the game is forming these alliances which you do not need during the final battle. There is some ok story in this 80% of game play but most of the interesting stuff if the banter between characters, which has always been hilarious with bioware games.

You do need them for storyline reasons. Your character does not slay all the enemies alone, even though you don't necessarily call the allies to your help personally. Just think about the armies clashing outside your immediate surroundings and it makes sense.

5. The best animation in the game was done by a perv (being the desire demon who groaps herself in the fade, which actually looks semi life like).

I had no complaints, but this is a personal preference thing.

6. There are so many minor graphical flaws it makes me think bioware said screw it and pushed the game out. The game is riddled with sloppy graphical errors. Ask me for a list and I will go back through the entire game and write them all down if I must make a point. I am sure I saw one every 5 through 10 minutes or so. For a 50+ hour game that makes way too many to not become annoying.

Funny, I did not see any glitches that would bother me. I have max graphics on, but I don't focus on the eye candy on this kind of games. I suppose the game is not perfect for graphics enthusiasts.

7. The graphics are rather lack luster and a lot are extremely out dated no matter what system you are using ... PC or Console.

The "illustrated" look is fine for me. I pay for content and not graphics on this kind of games.

8. The story for the game just isn't really that epic at all kinda a melting pot of ideas slapped together. Aye the world is a new one and I will say their DnD based games already had the extreme advantage of a world flushed out and developed for them. However the story behind Mass Effect was pretty damn good in my opinion.

It is not epic to slay dragons and defeat an army? Why does everything have to be over the top to be any good?

9. How many times do I have to play a mute in a Bioware RPG?

I think having some words spoken would be good, but maybe it is an issue with putting a voice on your character and not everyone liking the choices? You'd need a lot of actors to cover all the possible tones you'd want to offer (female, male, several options for each).

10. Its Sad when the most sick party I can build is based around 3 mages and 1 theif. Lets also not forget 80% of the specialties are bogus and lame.

80% is really an odd claim. I'd say about 25% of the specializations have something off about them, and one (AW) is downright broken.

11. Why do my weapons not convey their elemental damages when I use techniques? Do they suddenly lose their enhancements or as sandal would put it "enchantment!"?

Agreed. This is just a mistake IMO.

[thegreateski]

spellNotFoundException wrote...

short elves, dwarves, and halflings
great, another knee-hacker/midget race...

At least the orthopeadics will be happy.

[Kisoku]

I will agree with the OP on this Demon's Souls was a great game with stunning visuals. It too had it's share of unpolished visuals and gameplay elements. However, they much like in this game are easily overlooked by the things that the game offers. What each of these two games offer they do so very well and they break the mold of the copy and paste sports, fps, strategy, and sim games that have saturated the gaming market. So, I'll be happy with my Demon's Souls and Dragon Age's etc. WITH any flaws they may have as long as I'm not playing another boring game made by developers who follow the winning game formulas (MOAR graphics, MOAR ridiculous stories, MOAR of the SAME) Complain all you want but in the end you'll likely be playing this if you want some quality gaming and variety.

[Evindale]

Personally I enjoy the game, it's been a while since I've actually wanted to keep playing something (apart from wow). If you take a look at metacritic it get's fairly good scores across the board. I also believe comparing it to BG series is a bit off, it's like taking a new car and comparing it to a 60's classic. Sure the classic is good, but would you really want every game to be like the old ones?

[FedericoV]

Register your game.

[mufuti7]

I wonder what made you think anyone cares.

[Walina]

DauthdorianSilverstorm wrote...

Ok I am sick of people saying this game is a 9+ ... Baldurs Gate 1 was a 9 and Baldurs Gate 2 was at the least a 9.5. I have been playing that game for YEARS learning something new or coming up with new game play ideas. Dragon Age: Origins is very much so inferior to both of these games.

Tell me of all the superior story twists in this game. (For those air heads who claim the story is good enough to make up for the grotesque graphical flaws)

Let us take a look at some of the flaws to this game.

1. Only way to get enough money in the game to get a lot of the great items of the game is to be a Dwarf Nobel, and sell everything to Gorim. Sure if you play on normal or casual you save money but I'm not looking for easy. Lets not forget its MORE expensive to create a potion than it is to buy one (WTF).

2. The pathing system during combat is at times atrocious ... you know what they say "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line" ... a lot of times your ai finds it hard to move around people in the battle field and be "stuck" between two people fighting as he's trying to get to his mark.

3. A nonsense skill/technique tree so my fighter can learn to brew potions and make traps yet only rogues can pick locks? I don't really mind this but it doesn't make much sense to me.

4. 80% of the game is forming these alliances which you do not need during the final battle. There is some ok story in this 80% of game play but most of the interesting stuff if the banter between characters, which has always been hilarious with bioware games.

5. The best animation in the game was done by a perv (being the desire demon who groaps herself in the fade, which actually looks semi life like).

6. There are so many minor graphical flaws it makes me think bioware said screw it and pushed the game out. The game is riddled with sloppy graphical errors. Ask me for a list and I will go back through the entire game and write them all down if I must make a point. I am sure I saw one every 5 through 10 minutes or so. For a 50+ hour game that makes way too many to not become annoying.

7. The graphics are rather lack luster and a lot are extremely out dated no matter what system you are using ... PC or Console.

8. The story for the game just isn't really that epic at all kinda a melting pot of ideas slapped together. Aye the world is a new one and I will say their DnD based games already had the extreme advantage of a world flushed out and developed for them. However the story behind Mass Effect was pretty damn good in my opinion.

9. How many times do I have to play a mute in a Bioware RPG?

10. Its Sad when the most sick party I can build is based around 3 mages and 1 theif. Lets also not forget 80% of the specialties are bogus and lame.

11. Why do my weapons not convey their elemental damages when I use techniques? Do they suddenly lose their enhancements or as sandal would put it "enchantment!"?

I can go on and on and on and on about all the flaws in this game. If this game is a 9 or a 10 then BG1 is an 11 (on a scale of 10? And BG2 is a 12) lets be real people the game has a lot of potential but it doesn't pass the line of epic or even great for that matter.

+10

[MackxxDaddy]

Dragon Age: Origins is great....sorry...

[johnnywillow]

Although I don't agree with all the reasons why the op thinks this game should be rated lower than 9 or 9.5 (especially reason 1, I love the fact that you have to think where your character should spend his or her money) I do think some people rate games on how much they like the game and not on how good the game is. I think there should be a difference.



As I stated in another thread I love UFO Defense, one of my favorite games of all time. But I would never rate this game above 7.0. There are just too many reasons why this game shouldn't be rated above 7.0

And when people state they hate that game I don't take offence to it like someone just insulted my parents. Don't know why so many people do feel that way.



When rating a game (RPG) I always thought one should take a few things into consideration.



Story/characters/writing



Audio/music/character voices/Mood setting/special effects/



Game play/does it run smooth/is it buggy/ replay ability/is the difficult setting hard enough/ is the easy setting easy enough/ are there epic and well thought out battles.



Originality



Game Options



Graphics/characters/lighting/interface/special effects/textures/



*I'm sure I'm missing somethings that should be rated



Now I don't care about graphics at all (just check out the graphics for ufo defense) but that still doesn't mean that it should be left out of the ratings.



I think the graphics in DAo are just fine but if I'm rating the graphics I'd say that they are average or just above average I think most would agree with that?

So 1 out of 10, 5 would be average, so I wouldn't give it a higher rate than 6.5, The graphics just aren't ground breaking. Do I care, no not at all.



I understand that some people are just interested in Story/characters/writing and in that area I wouldn't disagree with you if you gave the game a 9 out of 10.

But I wouldn't agree with you if that is your over all score. If you were to give an over all score to just the things you were interested in, then there would be some crazy nut out there who is only interested in graphics saying this game is at best 6 out of 10 and that;s totally unfair.



I really like this game. I'm having a great time playing solo but if you were to take into account all the areas I think should be rated would you really give this game more than a 7 - 8 over all score?

[Alistair Crowley]

I'd give it a score of 9.5 based on how much I like it compared to other games.

Realistically, for more objective review I'd expect 8.5 - 9.5 from people who like computer based role-playing games in general. Magazines and such tend to evaluate on more generic terms (not rpg enthusiasts etc.) so they care more about graphics an such.

[xguild]

I just wanted to say real quick that Dragons Age is the best game of all time as far as Im concerned. Not just best RPG, not just best Computer game. THE best game of all time. Its as if the developers took my brain, analyzed it to find out what my perfect idea of a game was and produced it accordingly.



Graphic Gltiches? Dude what the hell are you talking about!! Baulders Gate WAS a graphics glitch.. its a grainy piece of **** in comparison... I mean no offense I loved Baluders Gate but trying to say that its somehow superior to Dragons Age is silly.

[johnnywillow]

Alistair Crowley wrote...

I'd give it a score of 9.5 based on how much I like it compared to other games.
Realistically, for more objective review I'd expect 8.5 - 9.5 from people who like computer based role-playing games in general. Magazines and such tend to evaluate on more generic terms (not rpg enthusiasts etc.) so they care more about graphics an such.

Fair enough.

[MoonPete]

Sorry to say this OP, but this game is definitely great, it has a great, and somewhat creative story, great characters, and a pretty good specilisation/talent system. Baldur's Gate series definitely are better though, yeah

[whtnyte-raernst]

Oh you youngsters lol!

DA:O is supposed to be a "re-imagining" of OLD SCHOOL roll playing games.

Magic Candle, Wizardy, Ultima, Might & Magic, the original Bard's Tale.

Incredible games that had the most horrid graphics you can imagine. But they did something that hadn't been done before, they made you make CHOICES!



Sometimes, you'd throw together a party, get them to level 10 and discovered that everyone of them really sucked! But that was the game, trying to develop characters and parties that could win. You played them over and over just to see if the next harebrained group of four you just created could make it.



I played my first computer game on a mainframe before CRT monitors came it. Everything printed out on a line printer. That game went on to become Zork and never had a single graphic. But it was fun, and without Zork, you'd never have the fun of DA:O



Just go have fun playing, sheesh!

[Drag0n-RD]

Mordaedil wrote...

Baldur's Gate was a piece of ****.

Baldur's Gate 2 was a giant piece of failure.

PlaneScape: Torment was the least game of any game I've ever played.

DAO > everything else atm.

It's worthy of being called NWN2. [smilie]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-smug.gif[/smilie]

You just don't like RPGs do you? lol

[knarayan]

Graphically, wasn't BG2 behind the curve when it came out? Wasn't it the last Infinity engine game?

Wasn't the story derived from the D & D universe hook about Bhaal's death and the Time of Troubles? Wasn't most of the sword coast already fleshed out in various D & D source books? Volo's guide to the Sword Coast etc?



IMO - the writing in BG1 or 2 wasn't markedly superior to DA:O. In terms of gameplay - well, I've just completed my first playthrough and I find that the gameplay is good, if different. I miss the ability to learn and unlearn spells - use scrolls etc, but this is an interesting variation.



I think the only clear areas where BG outshines DA are

1. Size - as in playthrough duration

2. Minsc

[MartinJHolm]

knarayan wrote...

Graphically, wasn't BG2 behind the curve when it came out? Wasn't it the last Infinity engine game?

Actually no, at that time it wasn't possible to make a 3d game run fast enough, and BG2 actually got a lot of praise for the backgrounds, the character/mob models on the other hand were sub-par.

OP: I'm so sorry this game doesn't fell "FTW" to you.

Is there anything I can do to make you feel better?

Modifié par MartinJHolm, 01 décembre 2009 - 10:22 .

[Unstepped]

DauthdorianSilverstorm wrote...

So its ok to downgrade your graphics when putting out a new game? No it is not unless it is much less flawed. If PS1 graphics are ok with you on some of the textures then you let me know. They had better textures in PS1 game or **** even on the Sega 32x don't be a twit and say lack luster graphics isn't important when you have half the game look pretty and the other half disgusting

As far as money goes play the game on nightmare difficulty and see how far you get with ONLY buying potions. Yeah not very far as you have to spend far more on traps. Oh and making any rogue in the game non lack luster at that difficulty means a lot of money on traps and poisons.

I think you need new glasses kind, blind sir.

:3

[DeathTyrant]

I like BG2 more than DA:O, having played it on and off for years, but I still really like DA:O.



As for playing a mute in terms of voiced lines, well you were mute in BG2 as well. Also, mages (magic in general) was just as much of a focus, if not more so than DA:O.

[Sirsmirkalot]

The OP loves BG1 & BG2 ... but hates that Dragon Age has a mute main character.

[Forwen]

DaeFaron wrote...

Bloodlines was an awesome game, the first first person (lol) game that actually drew me in and scared the **** out of me in parts. I remember actually wondering if I should even move in that haunted house.

That sequence was more awkward than anything else, the game was clearly trying to scare me while I stood there wondering, wait is my PC not supposed to be more scary than all that and then some? All I feared was a chandelier falling on my head or some such and dealing damage.

Now the Tzimisce crawlers, mmhmm...

[purplesunset]

This thread actually lends further credence to my theory that Bioware marketed the game to two distinct groups of people using different marketing  tactics:


Group 1.-- long time fans who loved BG (by preying on nostalgia and calling Dragon Age "the spiritual successor" to BG)

Group 2. --  new people who most likely never played rpg's (by using the action-packed trailers and the  huge, bloody Dragon Age pop up ads)


Bioware made an effort to please both groups.  Dragon Age is definitely a game that wanted to be different things to different people.

Hardcore rpg people could play on nightmare mode and use self-inflicted restrictions (like limiting potion use) to get what they love.

The more casual players could play on easy mode, and ignore the tactics system altogether for a less involving experience.

You must give kudos to Bioware for  at least trying to please everyone. :happy: :thumbs up:

Unfortunately, what ended up happening is that Bioware stretched itself too thin. The BG fans from group 1 felt they got a dumbed down or watered down experience, while the new people from group 2 (unacustomed to the rigors of the infinity engine) were still shocked at the difficulty of the game.

Modifié par purplesunset, 01 décembre 2009 - 11:43 .

[zeejay21]

I'm beginning to like the idea of banning people outta community forums. The first one to go is the OP is his endless 'Bioware sucks because it didn't meet my expectations' trolling.

Seriously, mods need to get these people under control. They're influencing other people with their FUD and that's not good at all.

Modifié par zeejay21, 01 décembre 2009 - 12:03 .

[knarayan]

purplesunset wrote...

This thread actually lends further credence to my theory that Bioware marketed the game to two distinct groups of people using different marketing  tactics:


Group 1.-- long time fans who loved BG (by preying on nostalgia and calling Dragon Age "the spiritual successor" to BG)

Group 2. --  new people who most likely never played rpg's (by using the action-packed trailers and the  huge, bloody Dragon Age pop up ads)


Bioware made an effort to please both groups.  Dragon Age is definitely a game that wanted to be different things to different people.

...snip...

Unfortunately, what ended up happening is that Bioware stretched itself too thin. The BG fans from group 1 felt they got a dumbed down or watered down experience, while the new people from group 2 (unacustomed to the rigors of the infinity engine) were still shocked at the difficulty of the game.

Agreed. I would place myself in the first camp and I had this horrible feeling that DA:O would be a complete and utter letdown because of the constant references to BG. I was pleasantly surprised when the game did not suck.

I finished my first playthrough [hard difficulty] - playing a rogue with just Morrigan as the mage and two tanks - and i found it challenging - especially the final battle.   

My take is that DA:O made a bunch of people happy - but the trouble is - as usual - the whole unpleasable fanbase thing. Speaking for myself, I got the collectors edition and the Soldier's Keep DLC and think my money was well spent.

Well into second playthrough now...

[Sirsmirkalot]

I'm a huge BG1 & BG2 fan myself and I must say, I'm far from disappointed.

From what I've read here, it seems that alot of "BG fans" were expecting not much more than BG directly translated into 3D, without any regard to how much the RPG landscape has changed the past 9 years.

Is Dragon Age a Baldur's Gate 3 ? No, it isn't. But it is one of the few modern day RPG's that dares to look back at its roots and extracts alot of what made them great and lay the way for other RPG's. It's old and new tied together and not a just a polished version of the old. If you want that, install the widescreen/high resolution mod for the Infinity engine games.

Modifié par Sirsmirkalot, 01 décembre 2009 - 12:16 .