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[Getorex]

kbct wrote...

Getorex wrote...

kbct wrote...

People should also know they won't be able to return their game when the actual details of the ending are announced in April. Too much time will have passed.

That's what I keep saying!  Some people say to "wait and see" and the ONLY answer is, "you cannot return for a refund INDEFINITELY."  I turned mine back in last week.  I'll be happy to re-purchase it if an ending correction is forthcoming that elicits more than just, 'meh'.

I might do the same thing. I'll buy it back if they actually change the ending.

It was also strange that Ray said in his statement that BioWare would provide "clarity" and "closure" and then used Twitter to say they would not "necessarily alter anything." That's a big piece of information to leave out of the statement.

As we can see from the news articles, they missed that part.

I look forward to reading the REVIEWS of the new content that provides "clarity" on "synthetic Reapers were created to kill organics before their own synthetics could do it".  Same with the clarification of "synthetics will always turn on their creators" NOT being directly contradicted by TWO solid examples previously in the very same game!  Or clarity on how incest is best (the Normandy crash on Planet X followed by MASSIVE generations of incest to populate the planet).

That's what that needs.  Clarity.  And I will read the REVIEWS because there is no way in hell I'm buying the game to play it out to "more clarity" and despairing, hopeless "closure".

Modifié par Getorex, 23 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[Arkitekt]

What will happen to these media sites and how will the public react if Bioware dosen't change the endings as most assume.

The real question is "Who CARES?"

[surleygentelman]

Can bioware change then endings of the game to **** the fans and keep the artistic integrity of theory story. The simple answer is no. They will have no way to retcon the ending while keeping the idea of ME alive for its future stories( if it has any future after this fan reaction). The new ending(s) will take the series in a new direction that ultimately is going to be different than what the creators of the game wanted. As for patches I would like a fix for the error that continues to turn my shepard from the one I created into a white male with lvl 1 stats after I load every save. Also bow about the dialog when you encounter Tali drinking in the lounge. She always reacts as if Miranda dies even when she clearly does not. These are just two of the bugs I would like to see squashed.

In conclusion k would like state that I found the ending a bit perplexing but they were still entertaining. My very real and seemingly soon to be true is that Bioware will over react with this ending nonsense and put out something that is infinitely worse that what is already there. Here to hoping that we the game have not cut off our noses to spite our faces.

[durasteel]

kbct wrote...

People should also know they won't be able to return their game when the actual details of the ending are announced in April. Too much time will have passed.

Yeah, not interested in a refund. Even if BioWare were to say "screw you guys, we're sticking with our crappy ending," I wouldn't want a refund. This is about the future, and what BioWare games I buy--and when--in the future. We all know that it makes a lot more sense economically to buy the GotY or "Ultimate" edition for 29.99 after the game has been out for a year. You typically get all the DLC bundled with it, etc. You also get a finished product, that has been patched and fixed, and you have a chance to see what the fan reaction is and maybe decide to take a pass.

We pre-order and buy Collector's Editions for two reasons: we want the game as soon as possible, and we want to support the developer. If we lose faith in the quality of BioWare's work product, and we can't count on BioWare to value our patronage, then both reasons go out the window.

This debacle provides BioWare with an opportunity to do two things: one, obviously, is to fix the ending. If they produce a high quality, coherent, emotionally satisfying ending to this game then it will be remembered as "the ending" and elevate the entire franchise. Secondly, they have a chance to establish themselves as a developer committed to satisfying their customers, allowing us to buy their games with confidence that even if they mess something up, they will stand behind their product and fix it to their customers' satisfaction.

Compared to how much money I stand to spend on their games and related products over the next few years, the cost of a ME3 CE is trivial.

[Ironhandjustice]

What will happen?

Well, I personally don't buy any more games. Easy. I have every single game on my shelf from Baldurs Gate 1 from ME3. Every-one, even ones not released on my country.

Bioware is on critical status right now. One satisfied person gives his/her opinion to another. A dissapointed one gives it to five or six. They could lose the company on long term.

Don't like the idea, but...

[Violet]

This is Bioware's equivelent of the EVE online Monocle.

[Getorex]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

What will happen?

Well, I personally don't buy any more games. Easy. I have every single game on my shelf from Baldurs Gate 1 from ME3. Every-one, even ones not released on my country.

Bioware is on critical status right now. One satisfied person gives his/her opinion to another. A dissapointed one gives it to five or six. They could lose the company on long term.

Don't like the idea, but...

I got STRONGLY hooked by ME1 and then got my sister and father hooked as well shortly thereafter.  ME3's ending has unhooked all three of us.  My sister congratulated me because I got EA Games to exchange my ME3 for another game of my choice!  Neither is playing anymore and their joy and interest in playing is gone.  

I COULD regain my own interest and pleasure in playing IF they do right with the ending and I could then reanimate their's too.  

We'll see if they've lost 3 independent players for good or if they've held them close in a few weeks time.

[durasteel]

surleygentelman wrote...

... My very real and seemingly soon to be true is that Bioware will over react with this ending nonsense and put out something that is infinitely worse that what is already there. Here to hoping that we the game have not cut off our noses to spite our faces.

Is not possible. No, really... it cannot happen. The current ending obviously did not come from the normal creative process, because they were very careful about plot holes in the rest of the game.  Some might have made it in, but they aren't obvious like the problems with the ending.

As a result of this kerfuffle, you can be certain that the new ending will be reviewed by the entire team, then by the Doctors, and everyone will try to nit-pick it to close up any plot holes. Mac and Casey will probably come up with several possibilities, and go through them to find the one that makes the most sense and offers the most closure. Hopefully, they will also dramatically expans the range of possible outcomes based on the player's choices.

Try to keep in mind that they really do want us to like it. This isn't just an issue of current or future profits, this is something that they have poured a very significant slice of their lives into, this really is art through which they have expressed themselves and engaged the player on a personal and emotional level. I wouldn't be suprised if the backlash against the ending actually made Casey physically ill. That's why I've been saying that this isn't just about us--BioWare deserves a chance to take a Mulligan. We've gotten hundreds of hours of entertainment over the past years from their work, and by God they've earned a do-over on this. I am 100% willing to give them a chance to fix their broken ending, at which point I will evaluate the game in its entirety--including the fixed ending--and review the hell out of it on Metacritic, Amazon, and every gaming site I can think of. I  have no doubt that that review will be enthusiastic and entirely positive.

[frostajulie]

Life will continue as usual but I will no longer purchase anything Bioware related. Note I did not say I would not play it just that I would not purchase it. There is a blockbuster just down the street and my brother is a member of gamefly. I just won't play their games on PC anymore.

Funny story that, I bought my gaming PC specifically to play DAO with mods ended up buying all the Bioware titles I could including PC versions of Xbox games I already owned- ME1 and ME2.

But its okay, if the company wants to stand by their lazy nonsensical plothole ridden genocidal ending that has no artistic value since it is a ripoff of another game and no integrity since it is exactly what they promised it wouldn't be, then all I can do as a consumer is walk away and spend my money elsewhere. And tell everyone what a horrible bunch of liars the company is composed of. There are 10 videos on Youtube right now, dozens of wikipedia articles detailing at length, many blog sites explaining down to the most minute detail what is wrong with this fiasco of an ending. Yet Bioware still thinks this is a good ending.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Life will go on, I will find a fanfic that can fix the ending to my satisfaction and it will be done.

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Plain and simple. I'm done buying their games and switch over to watching longplays on YT or live casts on Twitch/JTV if I really want bother with their future releases.

Modifié par Shin-Anubis, 23 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[ShaggyWolf]

@frostajulie, that thrid paragraph was worded very well, and I agree.

[_symphony]

I won't buy the game, in opposition to EA's violation of Mass Effect's art integrity.

Modifié par _symphony, 23 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[surleygentelman]

Actually, bioware is not on life support at this point. I would barley say they are even on serious damage control now. It really if you have every bioware game since baludurs( or however it is spelled) because everything between that title and kotor is very suspect.

[InvincibleHero]

Almost everytime I interacted with an ending-dissenter they claimed they were against the plotholes and logic errors and wanted that fixed. BW promised to do just that. Unsurprisingly most now say that is inadequate and my postulate was correct people wanted happy endings but used proxy issues.

[Nauks]

Personally I couldn't be bothered playing the ME games again if the ending remains the same, I'd just leave it, crying about it at that point would probably do little if anything.
I would still hold the series in high regard, and remember the 100s of hours put in to it fondly though.

But I also think that, surely they must have planned to expand on the ending in some way all along.
And I would be really surprised if this wasn't the case, given the crazy awesome plot twist and story telling skill Bioware has shown time and again in the past.

[onelifecrisis]

surleygentelman wrote...

I would barley say they are even on serious damage control now.

I agree. The statements made by CH and RM look to me like BW seizing the opportunity for some free marketing. "Look at how many perfect review scores we got!" Uh, okay, and how exactly is this relevant to people who already own the game? Seriously, that's not damage control, it's a sales pitch.

Edit:
Hmm, I just noticed my own sig. I wrote that sig many months ago before vanishing from the forums. Damn, I'm good!  - bitter lol -

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 23 mars 2012 - 03:32 .

[Ravenmyste]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Just when I think this ****storm can't get any bigger or crazier, it seems most likely that will be the case.

There is not enough popcorn in the universe  for this.

oh hai thar new sig.

will hav to put that next to pinkie eating her popcorn!

[Femlob]

What will happen if Bioware dosen't change the ending?

Nothing of significance.

This whole industry needs to hit total bankrupcy before anything will change for the better.

[surleygentelman]

@frostjullie you can see by the reaction people are posting that calm and rational reactions are clearly not on the board. I cannot count the o'm done with bioware and the calls.for people.to lose theory jobs. The fact that people actually posted death threats against the entire creative team should tell you the type of peoe that we are dealing with. Again what if any changes to the end can only end on more disapointment for evryone. While I wouldike to dred more mass.effect at this point they should just **** it down and move to next project.

[HolmesLovesGuinness]

Noelemahc wrote...
Hey, Dragon Age 2 wasn't that bad. It went "Good, decent, AWESOME, decent, decent, good, AWESOME, what, decent, AWESOME, good, sequel hook".

ME3 goes "AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME, good, good, AWESOME, AWESOME, good, decent, what, what, credit roll?!".

I believe this is the most accurate and succinct summary of ME3 I have ever seen - nicely done ;-)

[Degs29]

kbct wrote...

People should also know they won't be able to return their game when the actual details of the ending are announced in April. Too much time will have passed.

People should grow the hell up.  You paid for the game...you played the whole game...now you want a refund?  Give me a break.  The game's awesome, but with a less than stellar ending.  There's not even close to enough justification to get a refund.

[_symphony]

How much does DA:O cost these days? I think I'll buy that one instead.

[kbct]

durasteel wrote...

Yeah, not interested in a refund. Even if BioWare were to say "screw you guys, we're sticking with our crappy ending," I wouldn't want a refund. This is about the future, and what BioWare games I buy--and when--in the future. We all know that it makes a lot more sense economically to buy the GotY or "Ultimate" edition for 29.99 after the game has been out for a year. You typically get all the DLC bundled with it, etc. You also get a finished product, that has been patched and fixed, and you have a chance to see what the fan reaction is and maybe decide to take a pass.

We pre-order and buy Collector's Editions for two reasons: we want the game as soon as possible, and we want to support the developer. If we lose faith in the quality of BioWare's work product, and we can't count on BioWare to value our patronage, then both reasons go out the window.

This debacle provides BioWare with an opportunity to do two things: one, obviously, is to fix the ending. If they produce a high quality, coherent, emotionally satisfying ending to this game then it will be remembered as "the ending" and elevate the entire franchise. Secondly, they have a chance to establish themselves as a developer committed to satisfying their customers, allowing us to buy their games with confidence that even if they mess something up, they will stand behind their product and fix it to their customers' satisfaction.

Compared to how much money I stand to spend on their games and related products over the next few years, the cost of a ME3 CE is trivial.

Good points. I honestly don't care about the $80. I have never returned a game before, but I am still chewing over the idea of returning ME3 to make a statement. I no longer have the faith to pre-purchase BioWare games etither. I can't say I'll never purchase another BioWare game again because I believe in giving second chances. However, I will definitely wait until after the release and until after I read user reviews.

It's a shame because the last two weeks caused a major shift in my opinion of BioWare that developed over the last fourteen years.

[surleygentelman]

So... The entire video game industry needs to go.bankrupt. uhmmm ok. That has not worked.for Greece so.far sorry that is only funny if you don't live there or the EU.

[surleygentelman]

Honestly,.I have never bought a collectors edition or preorder for ANY GAME. ever. Never will. Now that being said from my experience people who always buy the more expensive version of the game are always the ones who complain the most. Now I did think the endings are a wtf moment nut demanding a refund please. At this point its a buyer beware thing at this point. But since ppl yell.and get there way I want to start another **** fest. So here is THE Demand a SERVER TRANSFER function for SWTOR. Who is with me.