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[Poison_Berrie]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Almost everytime I interacted with an ending-dissenter they claimed they were against the plotholes and logic errors and wanted that fixed. BW promised to do just that. Unsurprisingly most now say that is inadequate and my postulate was correct people wanted happy endings but used proxy issues.

No, I think most don't believe the explanations they see they are offering will actually help fix the mess that is the ending. 
I know I have little faith in how they are going to explain the space magic of the Crucible (especially in the ridonculous Synthesis ending) or how the Catalyst can make his reasoning when he himself seems to be an AI or if he was once organic how he survived this inevitable unwinnable conflict.
I'm going to wait and see how this is handled, but I'm really wouldn't stake anything on it.

I never bought DLC for DA2 because of my overal dissappointment. If they can't change my mind on this ending, I've lost my trust in BioWare to deliver products I will not ultimately be dissappointed in and will not be buying future products at the very least at full price.

[Fdingo]

What baffles me is that it seems all they're gonna do is add to the ending that already exists. This is not what the fans want and now Bioware is also getting flack from gaming sites for setting a dangerous precedent (artistic integrity and all that great stuff). So basically they're pissing off everyone.

IF they are only going to add small bits and pieces to the ending then another ****storm is imminent and the fans will be even more disgusted.

No new ending(s)? No ME3 for me. No DLC, no future Bioware games.

[alienatedflea]

Getorex wrote...

ManualReplica wrote...

If they DON'T change the endings?


Not much really, Bioware loses 10% sales on the next game they release and us sheep gamers will keep buying their games regardless, like what happened with Dragon Age 2.

I daresay you are not entirely correct.  I believe they will have essentially executed the Mass Effect series, that sales on DLC will be NO WHERE NEAR what they planned or desired.  I also believe that the plans for the movie will ultimately and quietly be shelved.  

Didn't have to be this way.

Me, I rarely do RPGs so other than Mass Effect games I've NEVER owned any other Bioware title.  I HATE sword and sorcery stuff and that is the entirety of the rest of their offerings so...

Others who are into dungeons and dragons stuff will leave to a not-insignificant degree I suspect.  Trust is lost. 

Mass Effect's demise will leave a long bad taste in people's mouth.  It makes me sad because it did NOT need to be this way.  Seriously, the forums are a shadow of their former selves pre-ME3.  All the good will, the ongoing threads and fan-art, etc, is now hollowed out.  This wont improve with time.

Alright, I am saying it: You guys are all morons.  What Bioware is doing is ingenius...no doubt about that.  First off, We all knew there was going to be DLC for ME3...no one can say for certain that this wasn't all planned out.  The PR outrage over the ending was simply awesome because of the free publicity and word of mouth about the game.  I am hearing people who never played the series start to talk about the game.  They all have you guys/girls right where they want you...on the edge of your seat...wondering what is going to happen next.  I know some of you people will say...this has been terrible for them (mainly the small yet very vocal minority that thinks they represent the majority of gamers who played this game.) yet there are some people like myself that loved the game...from the beginning of Mass Effect to the end of Mass Effect 3.  It IS one hell of a great series....Just wait and see what happens...

[Faridle]

If they just add some hodge podge stuff to the existing ending then there will be no more purchases of EA/Bioware product from me

[cuzsal]

they will lose alot of there loyal fanbase

not all but enough for it to hurt there wallet some i would think

[DragonRageGT]

alienatedflea wrote...

Alright, I am saying it: You guys are all morons.  What Bioware is doing is ingenius...no doubt about that.  First off, We all knew there was going to be DLC for ME3...no one can say for certain that this wasn't all planned out.  The PR outrage over the ending was simply awesome because of the free publicity and word of mouth about the game.  I am hearing people who never played the series start to talk about the game.  They all have you guys/girls right where they want you...on the edge of your seat...wondering what is going to happen next.  I know some of you people will say...this has been terrible for them (mainly the small yet very vocal minority that thinks they represent the majority of gamers who played this game.) yet there are some people like myself that loved the game...from the beginning of Mass Effect to the end of Mass Effect 3.  It IS one hell of a great series....Just wait and see what happens...

Most of us love from the beginning of Mass Effect to the end of Mass Effect 3, which is when Mr. Marauder Shields pops up. After that, only morons really love it.

[alienatedflea]

Fdingo wrote...

What baffles me is that it seems all they're gonna do is add to the ending that already exists. This is not what the fans want and now Bioware is also getting flack from gaming sites for setting a dangerous precedent (artistic integrity and all that great stuff). So basically they're pissing off everyone.

IF they are only going to add small bits and pieces to the ending then another ****storm is imminent and the fans will be even more disgusted.

No new ending(s)? No ME3 for me. No DLC, no future Bioware games.

I am not pissed off at them...Bioware did a great job...End of Story

[alienatedflea]

DragonRageGT wrote...

Most of us love from the beginning of Mass Effect to the end of Mass Effect 3, which is when Mr. Marauder Shields pops up. After that, only morons really love it.

So let me get this straight, If you are mad at Bioware, then sell your game and move on.  IT IS NOT THAT HARD...otherwise, no one wants to hear anyone ****ing especially a game.  Bioware did a great job...it did not however live up to your expectations...which is unrealistic..but yes blame Bioware for letting you down like that...Gosh what were they thinking?!

[Nepp]

alienatedflea wrote...

I am not pissed off at them...Bioware did a great job...End of Story

They did an ok job. Auto-conversations were stupid, and lack of dialogue choices as well. Don't forget big arse plot holes, and the writing wasn't as good as ME1/2 (new writers, and it shows bigtime)

There are a few more things that were done badly, and quite annoyingly so.

[alienatedflea]

cuzsal wrote...

they will lose alot of there loyal fanbase

not all but enough for it to hurt there wallet some i would think

Not really...probably a small fraction of the base...

[alienatedflea]

Nepp wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I am not pissed off at them...Bioware did a great job...End of Story

They did an ok job. Auto-conversations were stupid, and lack of dialogue choices as well. Don't forget big arse plot holes, and the writing wasn't as good as ME1/2 (new writers, and it shows bigtime)

There are a few more things that were done badly, and quite annoyingly so.

an "ok" job?...they wanted to make the game playable for those that dont play RPGs...how is that stupid?...and honestly, how much talking do you expect when the game is set up as "do or die" thinking...Plot Holes? Ah yes...the infamous made up plot holes..you know, if you keep staring at anything, you will eventually think there is something wrong with it.  If it actually exists or not, thats another thing...The series was amazing especially ME3.  Btw Nothing will ever meet your expectations if they are too high...just FYI

[alienatedflea]

corpselover wrote...

People who still insists that the number of fans dissatisfied with the ending represent only a small portion of the player base are in denial. No source of data indicates that the majority of fans are satisfied with the endings. It is not possible to get a 100% accurate representation of fan opinions, but even the polls from sources where you would think the percentage of diehard Bioware fans would be the highest still indicate a massive rate of disapproval in the ending (like you know, here).

in denial of what? if you are screaming at the top of your lungs saying the end of the world is coming eventually you will make people believe its true.  Thats how myths and conspiracy theories are started...at the end of the day, Retake Mass Effect will/should fail.  Retaking it from who? Bioware? Bioware made the game.  Bioware shouldnt sell themselves out because of some whiney gamers who will (lets face it) never be pleased with anything Bioware does because all of yall's expectation is too damn high. 

[robertm2]

alienatedflea wrote...

Nepp wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I am not pissed off at them...Bioware did a great job...End of Story

They did an ok job. Auto-conversations were stupid, and lack of dialogue choices as well. Don't forget big arse plot holes, and the writing wasn't as good as ME1/2 (new writers, and it shows bigtime)

There are a few more things that were done badly, and quite annoyingly so.

an "ok" job?...they wanted to make the game playable for those that dont play RPGs...how is that stupid?...and honestly, how much talking do you expect when the game is set up as "do or die" thinking...Plot Holes? Ah yes...the infamous made up plot holes..you know, if you keep staring at anything, you will eventually think there is something wrong with it.  If it actually exists or not, thats another thing...The series was amazing especially ME3.  Btw Nothing will ever meet your expectations if they are too high...just FYI

i wouldnt go as far as amazing. the third game fell short in a couple ways the ending just wasnt one of them. The side quests were super lame and character to crew member talking was majorly cut down. all in all the improvements they made to controls and combat were great but cutting out the decent planetary exploration side quests was a let down and tali's face/romance was just plain lazy.

[Nepp]

alienatedflea wrote...

Nepp wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I am not pissed off at them...Bioware did a great job...End of Story

They did an ok job. Auto-conversations were stupid, and lack of dialogue choices as well. Don't forget big arse plot holes, and the writing wasn't as good as ME1/2 (new writers, and it shows bigtime)

There are a few more things that were done badly, and quite annoyingly so.

an "ok" job?...they wanted to make the game playable for those that dont play RPGs...how is that stupid?...and honestly, how much talking do you expect when the game is set up as "do or die" thinking...Plot Holes? Ah yes...the infamous made up plot holes..you know, if you keep staring at anything, you will eventually think there is something wrong with it.  If it actually exists or not, thats another thing...The series was amazing especially ME3.  Btw Nothing will ever meet your expectations if they are too high...just FYI

Read this. It explains things quite well.

http://egamer.co.za/...-and-heres-why/ 

[alienatedflea]

robertm2 wrote...

i wouldnt go as far as amazing. the third game fell short in a couple ways the ending just wasnt one of them. The side quests were super lame and character to crew member talking was majorly cut down. all in all the improvements they made to controls and combat were great but cutting out the decent planetary exploration side quests was a let down and tali's face/romance was just plain lazy.

But again, How many side quests do you expect you would have if the end of the world is coming?...just like with talking, How long do you expect shepard to sit around talking when death is coming? I mean seriously, the game is great...including the ending and the alleged plotholes.

[Blacksnyder]

I was under the impression that the ending wasn't going to be changed, but they would instead answer the many questions people had regarding the ending.

[alienatedflea]

corpselover wrote...

Using the term denial was a poor choice by me. Insulting other people in the thread contributes nothing (you do it in almost every single one of your post btw). Either way, we have actual data to base our position on. You do not. Your position is just a baseless assertion.

insulting? I am insulting? I mean hell wait for the DLC.  until then all you are doing is crying over spilt milk?  how does that help with anything? if you threaten to sell your game, then sell it and dont come back...>DLC is coming.  Just wait.  Its not that hard...thats all I am trying to say but all I hear from yall, is QQ.  Its getting to the point where you're acting like Bioware killed your dog...its embarassing.  I guess Mass Effect 3 is SERIOUS BUSINESS!

[Hyrist]

As it stands, BioWare already has me in hesitation mode. If they fail to deliver, they won't get my loyalty back.

But my expectations/demands are a sizable amount lower than others. I'm fairly sure Bioware has already lost some they will not get back out of this. It's a question of how many they can get back.

With this being the end of Shepard's story, and Dragon Age II being what it is - BioWare will have to pull out the stops to convince me to buy another one of their products, especially a new IP where it's a risk to begin with.

Making a good showing here will have an impact on how much faith I give them when they come out with future titles. If they fail in that, they likely won't get any new release purchases from me on their reputation.

[robertm2]

alienatedflea wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

i wouldnt go as far as amazing. the third game fell short in a couple ways the ending just wasnt one of them. The side quests were super lame and character to crew member talking was majorly cut down. all in all the improvements they made to controls and combat were great but cutting out the decent planetary exploration side quests was a let down and tali's face/romance was just plain lazy.

But again, How many side quests do you expect you would have if the end of the world is coming?...just like with talking, How long do you expect shepard to sit around talking when death is coming? I mean seriously, the game is great...including the ending and the alleged plotholes.

well the collectors was pretty serious buisness but there were 20 or so hours of side quests. thats just an excuse for the game developers to be lazy and not add in side quests or talking. i would rather have more content and e more exploration than not have any because "the reapers are coming". as i said though the ending(which i liked) and the so called plot holes are the least of my concerns. this could have been the greatest game of all time but the lack of talking and side quests take it from a 9.5 to a 10. so much wasted potential and i feel comfortable blaming that on EA rushing the game into existence.

[odyssey3]

For many here, they want to see a happy ever after end of the story. GET REAL. In real life such things does not always happen.

What is a bit dissapointing was that there wasn't more types of ending. Then again, there are many good stories with bad endings. An ending of a good story is always the hardest thing to do for storytellers, writers and such, but they do their best.

Maybe they can make a DLC with more endings calculated from your achievements in the past. Compared to movies and books, Mass Effect 3 can still be updated and enjoyed after more endings are added, like what happened with Overlord and Arrival in ME2. Besides, who hasn't  played ME more than once just to see the different endings and storylines.

One way I think they can solve this, ask worldwide all ME fans what kinda ending they would want, pick from the BIG pile a few of them, and put them on a new DLC for sale. Like that Shepards needs to do some extra missions after the original ending but the original ending of ME3 does not happen. Instead, alternate endings becomes possible. True fans of ME won't think twice about buying new DLC's of it promise more storylines and endings, added with advice from fans.

ME3, and ME in general, can still expand. Let it expand while it still has the time.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

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