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[urborg74]

 If they don't change the endings I won't buy any further DLC.  In addition I will never pre-order a Bioware game again.  I'll have to hear glowing fan reviews before I'll buy any game they make ever again.   Pretty simple imo.

[AkiKishi]

odyssey3 wrote...

For many here, they want to see a happy ever after end of the story. GET REAL. In real life such things does not always happen.

What is a bit dissapointing was that there wasn't more types of ending. Then again, there are many good stories with bad endings. An ending of a good story is always the hardest thing to do for storytellers, writers and such, but they do their best.

Maybe they can make a DLC with more endings calculated from your achievements in the past. Compared to movies and books, Mass Effect 3 can still be updated and enjoyed after more endings are added, like what happened with Overlord and Arrival in ME2. Besides, who hasn't  played ME more than once just to see the different endings and storylines.

One way I think they can solve this, ask worldwide all ME fans what kinda ending they would want, pick from the BIG pile a few of them, and put them on a new DLC for sale. Like that Shepards needs to do some extra missions after the original ending but the original ending of ME3 does not happen. Instead, alternate endings becomes possible. True fans of ME won't think twice about buying new DLC's of it promise more storylines and endings, added with advice from fans.

ME3, and ME in general, can still expand. Let it expand while it still has the time.

It's a game not real life.

[Poison_Berrie]

alienatedflea wrote...

But again, How many side quests do you expect you would have if the end of the world is coming?...just like with talking, How long do you expect shepard to sit around talking when death is coming? I mean seriously, the game is great...including the ending and the alleged plotholes.

A crap ton apparently. Except no of them involve more than LIDAR-ing a star system and droping a bouy on something rather than going there yourself.

odyssey3 wrote...

For many here, they want to see a happy ever after end of the story. GET REAL. In real life such things does not always happen.

Do you have a number for that? I know I've seen people claim that, but I have also seen a lot talk about just wanting ending that make sense and are in-line with the game(s) so far.

[kbct]

odyssey3 wrote...

For many here, they want to see a happy ever after end of the story. GET REAL. In real life such things does not always happen.

In real life sales drop when customers don't like the game.

[Silasqtx]

Greatest ****storm of our time. They will lose the fanbase support, press support (wat, you said you wanted to change the endings, dafuq is this?) and mostly a whole lot of money.

[jimfixedit]

I just finished a second run of it to see what happened with an ME2 rather than ME1 LI and to be honest I quite enjoyed it, apart from the bugs and useless journal, but then there were bugs & crap bits in the other 2 and we forgave those (Mako, planet scanning etc)

Because I'd already seen the train wreck at the end I just blanked it out of my mind and got on with the rest of it.

If they don't change the end I really don't care. I've played the game twice. I can now happily trade it in when I get back from hols in mid-April, get the 2 quid of whatever pathetic amount of cash they'll be giving for it then and wait for the bazillion (or is it gazillion) guns of Borderlands 2.

[Texhnolyze101]

I have no intention of buying other dlc just the one for the ending nothing else matters to me as i couldn't care less about aria or omega or whatever other rubbish they have planned.

[Oldbones2]

Omega DLC will sell poorly, as will other plot based DLC. Future Mass Effect games will take a large hit in pre order sales, maybe overall sales.

Bioware games as a whole may be affected, too soon to tell.

[d.nichols]

Navasha wrote...

At this point, I have pretty much already written the ending in my head to my satisfaction anyway. So to me, it wouldn't matter really.

This

[d.nichols]

kbct wrote...

odyssey3 wrote...

For many here, they want to see a happy ever after end of the story. GET REAL. In real life such things does not always happen.

In real life sales drop when customers don't like the game.

^Also this!

[robertm2]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Omega DLC will sell poorly, as will other plot based DLC. Future Mass Effect games will take a large hit in pre order sales, maybe overall sales.

Bioware games as a whole may be affected, too soon to tell.

says who? i seriously doubt that any dlc released will sell poorly. just because some people on bsn say they wont buy any more dlc doesnt mean anything. every mass effect game has sold more units every time since the first game was released if anything all the publicity that the game has gotten will improve sales. if they come out with ending dlc it will show that they listen when there fans dont like something and that will give them even more credibility for solving a problem that some fans had with the game. excuse me for saying but it sounds like your just talking out of your a**.

Modifié par robertm2, 23 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[Richard 060]

If they don't change the ending, then the final act of the third game will make very little sense, feature a fair amount of bull***t non-science, and have very little in the way of either establishment or elaboration.

If they add 'additional content to clarify matters and give a sense of closure', then we'll have a bit more development ...of ideas that come out of nowhere, contradict established lore, spit in the face of any kind of scientific common sense, and generally run counter to the notion of 'plot logic'.


It's a bit like ordering a decent cup of coffee, having the barista give you reasonable attempt at a coffee, but with pondweed in it, and when you complain, offer to give you an extra helping of pondweed...

[Zhuinden]

Well with what they've done, I'd assume the majority of their "loyal fans" will no longer spend money to support them. Why would they? They were pretty much backstabbed.
Maybe next time they see the income statistics they'll realize they should have taken steps to fix what they've messed up, instead of covering behind their so-called artistic integrity.

ME3 was the first game I bought by Bioware. It will be the last. I can say that for certain.

[Zhuinden]

d.nichols wrote...

kbct wrote...

odyssey3 wrote...

For many here, they want to see a happy ever after end of the story. GET REAL. In real life such things does not always happen.

In real life sales drop when customers don't like the game.

^Also this!

Honestly, there's no reason not to have a happy ending as well.
They said, there are many different fans, and thus there will be many different endings that are suitable for everyone.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 23 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[robertm2]

Zhuinden wrote...

Well with what they've done, I'd assume the majority of their "loyal fans" will no longer spend money to support them. Why would they? They were pretty much backstabbed.
Maybe next time they see the income statistics they'll realize they should have taken steps to fix what they've messed up, instead of covering behind their so-called artistic integrity.

ME3 was the first game I bought by Bioware. It will be the last. I can say that for certain.

 
ive been playing bioware games since kotor. i love all there games aside from DA2 which wasnt even that bad. it just wasnt as good as most of their games. even with the ending not being perfect me3 is still the best game of the year. bioware may not live up to your impossibe standards but they still make better games than almost every other company out there. any loyal fan would realize this and continue to support them. i know i will. (just maybe not for DA3).

[kbct]

robertm2 wrote...

every mass effect game has sold more units every time since the first game was released if anything all the publicity that the game has gotten will improve sales.

You seriously believe this publicity will improve sales?

Lots of people pre-ordered the game and it took a week for everyone to realize the ending sucked. We can't change the past, we can only change the future. Also, you gotta consider how much it cost to make the game becaue that is a crucial figure in determining profit.

[d.nichols]

kbct wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

every mass effect game has sold more units every time since the first game was released if anything all the publicity that the game has gotten will improve sales.

You seriously believe this publicity will improve sales?

Lots of people pre-ordered the game and it took a week for everyone to realize the ending sucked. We can't change the past, we can only change the future. Also, you gotta consider how much it cost to make the game becaue that is a crucial figure in determining profit.

Also, the developers don't make any money off of used games, which admittedly Mass Effect made very difficult

[robertm2]

kbct wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

every mass effect game has sold more units every time since the first game was released if anything all the publicity that the game has gotten will improve sales.

You seriously believe this publicity will improve sales?

Lots of people pre-ordered the game and it took a week for everyone to realize the ending sucked. We can't change the past, we can only change the future. Also, you gotta consider how much it cost to make the game becaue that is a crucial figure in determining profit.

 bioware doesnt spend any money making the game. EA spends all the money to have the game made and then pays bioware for doing it. so if they dont make enough money(which they probably already have) than EA is likely to just shut bioware down. Then you can blame the Retake members for no more bioware games period. Thats a big price to pay for all gamers just because some people didnt like the last 10 minutes of the best game series known to man. Thankfully that doesnt matter because they will make money and alot of it ontop of what they have already made.

[mybudgee]

Likely the same events that were to happen anyway. EA will continue to infiltrate Bioware, driving out creative people, making it into a corporate Frankenstien. We will keep complaining, some folks will attempt to give us real answers, others will keep speaking in riddles. The seasons will change, people will grow old, babies will be born, dogs will lick themselves. We will all have a good belly laugh about this one day...

[Nepp]

robertm2 wrote...
 EA is likely to just shut bioware down. Then you can blame the Retake members for no more bioware games period. 

Well, the quality of writing and games have gone downhill since EA bought bioware, bioware is going the way of westwood and other  companies EA has destroyed.

If ME3 and DA2 are the signs of future bioware products, then im happy to see bioware die.

[Poison_Berrie]

robertm2 wrote...

says who? i seriously doubt that any dlc released will sell poorly. just because some people on bsn say they wont buy any more dlc doesnt mean anything. every mass effect game has sold more units every time since the first game was released if anything all the publicity that the game has gotten will improve sales. if they come out with ending dlc it will show that they listen when there fans dont like something and that will give them even more credibility for solving a problem that some fans had with the game. excuse me for saying but it sounds like your just talking out of your a**.

The hypothesis of this thread is that the ending dlc doesn't ail peoples qualms with the ending. 

The figure that goes around is that DLC amounts to 10% of the sales of the full game. I would suspect that for DLC your core fanbase is the major market and if a large part of that is angry and willing to not buy it your DLC will flop. 
That's probably why they cancelled DA 2 DLC and instead went on to DA 3.

[kbct]

robertm2 wrote...

kbct wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

every mass effect game has sold more units every time since the first game was released if anything all the publicity that the game has gotten will improve sales.

You seriously believe this publicity will improve sales?

Lots of people pre-ordered the game and it took a week for everyone to realize the ending sucked. We can't change the past, we can only change the future. Also, you gotta consider how much it cost to make the game becaue that is a crucial figure in determining profit.

 bioware doesnt spend any money making the game. EA spends all the money to have the game made and then pays bioware for doing it. so if they dont make enough money(which they probably already have) than EA is likely to just shut bioware down. Then you can blame the Retake members for no more bioware games period. Thats a big price to pay for all gamers just because some people didnt like the last 10 minutes of the best game series known to man. Thankfully that doesnt matter because they will make money and alot of it ontop of what they have already made.

Do you have a link to how this whole process works? It would be interesting to read that. However, it doesn't matter who pays. All that matters is the profit that is made from the BioWare brand.

They're not gonna shut BioWare down. Zero chance of that in the foreseeable future.

I still don't know how this publicity improves sales. Do you?

[Getorex]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I have no intention of buying other dlc just the one for the ending nothing else matters to me as i couldn't care less about aria or omega or whatever other rubbish they have planned.

Well, to be fair, I AM interested in pre-ending DLC IF they correct the ending into something logical, non-soul-sucking, etc.  If the ending is something I am willing to play multiple times to get to, or if it offers me something to try to play multiple times to attain (a good ending rather than a bleak and lonely ending) then I will happy to acquire pre-ending DLC.  

First things first however...

[robertm2]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

says who? i seriously doubt that any dlc released will sell poorly. just because some people on bsn say they wont buy any more dlc doesnt mean anything. every mass effect game has sold more units every time since the first game was released if anything all the publicity that the game has gotten will improve sales. if they come out with ending dlc it will show that they listen when there fans dont like something and that will give them even more credibility for solving a problem that some fans had with the game. excuse me for saying but it sounds like your just talking out of your a**.

The hypothesis of this thread is that the ending dlc doesn't ail peoples qualms with the ending. 

The figure that goes around is that DLC amounts to 10% of the sales of the full game. I would suspect that for DLC your core fanbase is the major market and if a large part of that is angry and willing to not buy it your DLC will flop. 
That's probably why they cancelled DA 2 DLC and instead went on to DA 3.

that mostly makes sense but i would say they moved on to DA3 because its time has come. if you look at the spaces between release dates DA3 makes sense. i just hope its better than DA2 was.