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[The Night Mammoth]

blacqout wrote...

Mymph wrote...

Blacqout you threw your opinion out the window when you began assuming things without having any sort of evidence to support your claims. Ultimately you are lying to yourself in order to make yourself seem like the one who is right because YOU, are the minority and feel like you don't get what YOU want. You need to believe you are right so you are telling yourself it has to be this or that or aliens, you simply can't accept you may be wrong.

I backed up my original statement with a link to several "retakers" expressing their delight at being able cheat the system and manipulate a gamefaq poll.

So..... You've generalized. 

Clever. 

[Mymph]

blacqout wrote...

Mymph wrote...

Blacqout you threw your opinion out the window when you began assuming things without having any sort of evidence to support your claims. Ultimately you are lying to yourself in order to make yourself seem like the one who is right because YOU, are the minority and feel like you don't get what YOU want. You need to believe you are right so you are telling yourself it has to be this or that or aliens, you simply can't accept you may be wrong.

I backed up my original statement with a link to several "retakers" expressing their delight at being able cheat the system and manipulate a gamefaq poll.

But you are assuming that said "bad apples" are the only ones on the tree, how do you know for sure that the 50,000+ are mostly fake or bad apples? I can't even say I am 100% it isn't possible but the Bioware forums, the money raised, the voices being heard over multiple websites seem to show otherwise. For every 1 comment ive seen defending ME3's ending I have seen 20 more agaisn't it. You are trying to make the Retake movement look bad based off of some bad apples when those of us who are trying to be fair about it are being placed within the lot of them. A few bad apples =/= the whole

Modifié par Mymph, 23 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[majormajormmajor]

din626 wrote...

Try and focus on the actual news item here people instead of some silly slinging match between an Ivan and a Yank...

See? I managed to use both sarastically...

REPORTED FOR RACISM AND HURTING MY FEELINGS (but more the second one)

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 23 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[DreamTension]

I guess there's no way of getting back on the track once you go off...

bumping to let others know...

[Joe1962]

Voted, and please, be civil, everyone.

[blacqout]

Mymph wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mymph wrote...

Blacqout you threw your opinion out the window when you began assuming things without having any sort of evidence to support your claims. Ultimately you are lying to yourself in order to make yourself seem like the one who is right because YOU, are the minority and feel like you don't get what YOU want. You need to believe you are right so you are telling yourself it has to be this or that or aliens, you simply can't accept you may be wrong.

I backed up my original statement with a link to several "retakers" expressing their delight at being able cheat the system and manipulate a gamefaq poll.

But you are assuming that said "bad apples" are the only ones on the tree, how do you know for sure that the 50,000+ are mostly fake or bad apples? I can't even say I am 100% it isn't possible but the Bioware forums, the money raised, the voices being heard over multiple websites seem to show otherwise. For every 1 comment ive seen defending ME3's ending I have seen 20 more agaisn't it. You are trying to make the Retake movement look bad based off of some bad apples when those of us who are trying to be fair about it are being placed within the lot of them. A few bad apples =/= the whole

No, i've done no such thing. I'm sure that there are some decent Retakers (Vhalkyrie in this thread came across as reasoned and civil) but there are many bad apples, as you say.

Pointing out these bad apples isn't the same thing as saying that you're all bad.

[Alamar2078]

I voted.

Note: I don't like the endings but we shouldn't bash anyone calling us either a minority or majority. At this point all we can reasonably claim is out of those folks fired up enough to take action the majority of those don't seem to like the endings.

YMMV

[shinobi602]

blacqout wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

Ha. Fecking 71%. 80 if we're counting the too bleak people.

Still a goddamned minority, huh?

blacqout wrote...

Yet another example of the Retake movement troops being mobilised to manipulate yet another opinion poll.

Typical pro-ending lies. Why don't you go visit IGN or one of the other paid-for lapdogs?

Who says that i'm "pro-ending". I'm pro-Truth.

I can link to multiple threads on this forum highlighting polls on sites such as GameFAQ, asking people to "correct" what the movement sees as incorrect figures. Some Hold The Line drones even worked out that they could vote multiple times by clearing their caches.

You are a minority. You just use underhanded tactics to make yourselves seem larger than you really are. It's grown past pathetic.

On EVERY single forum, I've seen more people despise the ending than like it. FAR more. NeoGAF, Gamefaqs, Gamespot, N4G, here on BSN. A sample is representative of the whole.

[majormajormmajor]

blacqout wrote...

No, i've done no such thing. I'm sure that there are some decent Retakers (Vhalkyrie in this thread came across as reasoned and civil) but there are many bad apples, as you say.

Pointing out these bad apples isn't the same thing as saying that you're all bad.

blacqout wrote...

Yet another example of the Retake movement troops being mobilised to manipulate an opinion poll.

blacqout wrote...

You are a minority. You just use underhanded tactics to make yourselves seem larger than you really are.
It's grown past pathetic.

blacqout wrote...

I haven't even bothered to check. There is no point in doing so after a poll has been linked here, as the Retake
droves completely void the results as being an accurate portrait of the thoughts of the total ME fanbase

oh yeah nearly forgot

Ivan.

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 23 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[Alamar2078]

blacqout wrote...
No, i've done no such thing. I'm sure that there are some decent Retakers (Vhalkyrie in this thread came across as reasoned and civil) but there are many bad apples, as you say.

Pointing out these bad apples isn't the same thing as saying that you're all bad.

If you find bad apples that are not following the forum rules of conduct honestly I'd report them.  I don't know if that will help but if they are bad apples and "attacking" other forum members, BW folks by name, etc. then they mostly deserve what they get.

Note:  I don't want bad apples to "ruin it for everyone" .... YMMV

Also Note:  Sometimes I'm a bad apple but I'm trying not to be.

[MattFini]

DreamTension wrote...

I guess there's no way of getting back on the track once you go off...

bumping to let others know...

If would be great if when the mods get around to this thread, they just ban the troublemakers and leave the thread be.

[goose2989]

Voted

[Panicomatic]

blacqout wrote...

Yet another example of the Retake movement troops being mobilised to manipulate an opinion poll.

The point of the movement is to make sure that our voices are heard and that we provide constructive critisism where we can. I don't understand why doing so in a civil and organized manner should be discounted. They asked a question to which we will answer. By your logic we shouldn't answer because it skews the polls in our favor, but by ignoring the poll it skews the poll to be not in our favor? I didn't read the part of the poll that asks us to exclude ourselves.

[Chuloos]

blacqout wrote...

Yet another example of the Retake movement troops being mobilised to manipulate an opinion poll.

Wow.. you must be a republican.  So cynical.

[DreamTension]

MattFini wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

I guess there's no way of getting back on the track once you go off...

bumping to let others know...

If would be great if when the mods get around to this thread, they just ban the troublemakers and leave the thread be.

Exactly.  

[eldingo12]

majormajormmajor wrote...

blacqout wrote...

It would be interesting if you people would just let the intended voters have their say. We already know what you think.

"Only supporters of Yedinaya Rossiya ought to vote to reflect accurate political sentiment in Rodina, supporters of other parties please go f--- yourselves"

eldingo12 wrote...

No, you are not right.
I hate to be
the bearer of bad news, but not everyone feels they must express thier
opinion on the "intarnets" .  Some do, some don't.  It doesn't mean they
didn't have an opionon, it also doesn't mean you get to decide what
that opinion is.

Well, then let them speak up and be heard.

Otherwise, we go by what's available

We go by what is available.  Agreed 100%, and currently, what is available is a series of independent polls that show a majority of people were disapointed in the ending. 

[majormajormmajor]

eldingo12 wrote...

We go by what is available.  Agreed 100%, and currently, what is available is a series of independent polls that show a majority of people were disapointed in the ending. 

According to you-know-who-that's-the-equivalent-to-our-English-John, that's only because Retake is stuffing the polls.

Results invalidated!

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 23 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[blacqout]

MattFini wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

I guess there's no way of getting back on the track once you go off...

bumping to let others know...

If would be great if when the mods get around to this thread, they just ban the troublemakers and leave the thread be.

I assume that by "troublemakers" you actually mean those that disagree with your view on the ending, and not those that make racist remarks but happen to share your opinions.

It would be great if some of you could be more adult about things.

[Mymph]

blacqout wrote...

Mymph wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mymph wrote...

Blacqout you threw your opinion out the window when you began assuming things without having any sort of evidence to support your claims. Ultimately you are lying to yourself in order to make yourself seem like the one who is right because YOU, are the minority and feel like you don't get what YOU want. You need to believe you are right so you are telling yourself it has to be this or that or aliens, you simply can't accept you may be wrong.

I backed up my original statement with a link to several "retakers" expressing their delight at being able cheat the system and manipulate a gamefaq poll.

But you are assuming that said "bad apples" are the only ones on the tree, how do you know for sure that the 50,000+ are mostly fake or bad apples? I can't even say I am 100% it isn't possible but the Bioware forums, the money raised, the voices being heard over multiple websites seem to show otherwise. For every 1 comment ive seen defending ME3's ending I have seen 20 more agaisn't it. You are trying to make the Retake movement look bad based off of some bad apples when those of us who are trying to be fair about it are being placed within the lot of them. A few bad apples =/= the whole

No, i've done no such thing. I'm sure that there are some decent Retakers (Vhalkyrie in this thread came across as reasoned and civil) but there are many bad apples, as you say.

Pointing out these bad apples isn't the same thing as saying that you're all bad.

As fun as it would be to continue this discussion, it would ultimately get us nowhere. You are adamant in believing we are the minority and are wrong but atleast your keeping your composure and not succumbing to some of those who oppose your opinions in such an uncalled for manner.

[blacqout]

eldingo12 wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

blacqout wrote...

It would be interesting if you people would just let the intended voters have their say. We already know what you think.

"Only supporters of Yedinaya Rossiya ought to vote to reflect accurate political sentiment in Rodina, supporters of other parties please go f--- yourselves"

eldingo12 wrote...

No, you are not right.
I hate to be
the bearer of bad news, but not everyone feels they must express thier
opinion on the "intarnets" .  Some do, some don't.  It doesn't mean they
didn't have an opionon, it also doesn't mean you get to decide what
that opinion is.

Well, then let them speak up and be heard.

Otherwise, we go by what's available

We go by what is available.  Agreed 100%, and currently, what is available is a series of independent polls that show a majority of people were disapointed in the ending. 

The polls aren't independent when the same people are voting on them.

[eldingo12]

majormajormmajor wrote...

eldingo12 wrote...

We go by what is available.  Agreed 100%, and currently, what is available is a series of independent polls that show a majority of people were disapointed in the ending. 

According to you-know-who-that's-the-equivalent-to-our-English-John, that's only because Retake is stuffing the polls.

Results invalidated!

I respectfully disagree.  I don't feel I need your validation.  And frankly the two of you are acting like a couple of kids.  It's a game, a lot of people loved it, a lot of people didn't. 

[Rogue Unit]

[quote]shinobi602 wrote...

[quote]blacqout wrote...

[quote]majormajormmajor wrote...

Ha. Fecking 71%. 80 if we're counting the too bleak people.

Still a goddamned minority, huh?

[quote]blacqout wrote...

Yet another example of the Retake movement troops being mobilised to manipulate yet another opinion poll. [/quote]

Typical pro-ending lies. Why don't you go visit IGN or one of the other [/quote]

Who says that i'm "pro-ending". I'm pro-Truth.

I can link to multiple threads on this forum highlighting polls on sites such as GameFAQ, asking people to "correct" what the movement sees as incorrect figures. Some Hold The Line drones even worked out that they could vote multiple times by clearing their caches.

You are a minority. You just use underhanded tactics to make yourselves seem larger than you really are. It's grown past pathetic.[/quote]

Nope, you're wrong. And even if you weren't, so what? The hordes of Tali fanboys got BioWare to change the game and so did the S/S crowd, and they were without a doubt a minority.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 23 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

eldingo12 wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

eldingo12 wrote...

We go by what is available.  Agreed 100%, and currently, what is available is a series of independent polls that show a majority of people were disapointed in the ending. 

According to you-know-who-that's-the-equivalent-to-our-English-John, that's only because Retake is stuffing the polls.

Results invalidated!

I respectfully disagree.  I don't feel I need your validation.  And frankly the two of you are acting like a couple of kids.  It's a game, a lot of people loved it, a lot of people didn't. 

Most people loved it until the last 10 minutes. Hence, why the numbers say what they do.

[majormajormmajor]

eldingo12 wrote...

I respectfully disagree.  I don't feel I need your validation.

blacqout wrote...
You are a minority. You just use underhanded tactics to make yourselves seem larger than you really are. It's grown past pathetic.

eldingo12 wrote...

And frankly the two of you are acting like a couple of kids.  It's a game, a lot of people loved it, a lot of people didn't. 

You really ought to stop referring to blacqout here as a kid, it's ageism and he might report you for it.

[blacqout]

[quote]Rogue Unit wrote...

[quote]shinobi602 wrote...

[quote]blacqout wrote...

[quote]majormajormmajor wrote...

Ha. Fecking 71%. 80 if we're counting the too bleak people.

Still a goddamned minority, huh?

[quote]blacqout wrote...

Yet another example of the Retake movement troops being mobilised to manipulate yet another opinion poll. [/quote]

Typical pro-ending lies. Why don't you go visit IGN or one of the other [/quote]

Who says that i'm "pro-ending". I'm pro-Truth.

I can link to multiple threads on this forum highlighting polls on sites such as GameFAQ, asking people to "correct" what the movement sees as incorrect figures. Some Hold The Line drones even worked out that they could vote multiple times by clearing their caches.

You are a minority. You just use underhanded tactics to make yourselves seem larger than you really are. It's grown past pathetic.[/quote]

Nope, you're wrong. And even if you weren't, so what? The hordes of Tali fanboys got BioWare to change the game and so did the S/S crowd, and they were without a doubt a minority.
[/quote]

No, i'm right. Even the less conservative estimates of your numbers put you at far, far below half of the total number of Mass Effect 3 players.

Your comment makes it seem as though you oppose the inclusion of same sex relationships. That's not very progressive.