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[DPadio]

he's cool, but the from ashes should be a free DLC!

[Delta_S]

 Where have I heard this guy's voice before?

[ahandsomeshark]

My thoughts: ugh how many people are gonna confuse his West African accent with a Jamaican accent. And I have yet to be disappointed.

[ahandsomeshark]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Goober2049 wrote...

I thought it worked. Didn't really bother me all that much, though I did feel bad for Liara by the time she found out that the Protheans were not quite what she thought they were.

Even worst... the Protheans are their Gods... meaning Asari beleif are all false,  the scene in the temple pretty much destroyed Asari religion.

Well Liara said very few Asari still followed that religion anyway. It was mostly just stories/myths now not a major religion.

[Xandurpein]

Javik was a good character and I think his voice fit him very well to be honest. It's hard to pinpoint why, but it worked well for me. I was mostly wondering about his double pupils and if there was any science behind it or if it was just to make him look more alien.

[KingNothing125]

Oh the first page of this thread is full of good old fashioned casual racism. Lovely.

[Peer of the Empire]

CasbynessPC wrote...

Since West Africa is the cradle of all humanity, I thought it was a nice touch to parallel that in the game and have the Protheans using a Nigerian accent. It possessed the right sort of resonance for the last survivor of the old world, a good way to make him sound old without needing to actually be old with a grandfatherly voice, etc.

I thought it was a decision you could clearly imagine the development towards and thinking processes behind.

Actually, East Africa.  And humans of those days were very different from humans of today.  Even the expansion of sub saharan africans is of recent origin

[Ghules]

"I wish Thane was here to see this." Followed by a bunch of chocked up sobbing and whatnot.
Then "No really, he reminds me of Drell. */flips table* Or maybe I'm just seeing Drell everywhere." U:

[ahandsomeshark]

Anyway the accent thing to me was kind of weird. I thought it was cool but at the same time it was kind of random when so so few people, human or alien, have anything other than American accents in the game (which in itself is really weird). So it kind of seemed like a throw in gimmick.

[Peer of the Empire]

moteh wrote...

I thought he was a great character, not necessarily likeable, but a good character. he has this sadness to him, and it's not from some humans thinking he has a Jamaican accent either, but from being a person basically lost in time now.

Definitely African accent, I feel bad for not being able to differentiate it more though. Just shocked people thought it was Jamaican.

Now aren't you special.  Africa has different languages you know.  And Jamaican accent is derived from the west African

[MadRabbit999]

Lyrandori wrote...

I like to compare it to dinosaurs myself. What would be your reaction of seeing one alive, knowing that no one has ever seen a living dinosaur ever? If you've seen the first Jurassic Park movie just recall Dr. Grant's reaction when he sees the dinosaurs from the Jeep for the first time. Ok, that's dramatic, I don't want that much but seriously, a Prothean right there and... oh cool, k, next?

This is my personal belief, but: remains of dinosaurs, to someone who has never seen one, could be "Dragons", and that is why we get the Dragons stories all over the world, the only way for so many cultures to come up with the exact same idea is very suspicious, and one of the possible solutions is that they look at this giant skeletons and think  "Dragon!" (And no, I do not believe dragons really existed).

Yes.. the response to the Prothean was very poor, I had the same impression, but can you imagine the complexity of divuldging the informations about a prothean? You would get the whole Hanar homerworld trying to kill shepard so they coudl get their tentacles on him, for one... design wise, is a headache to make it fit.

Also there is another possibility... think of it you are in the middle of World War 2, in the trenches, pieces of human remains all over you... whe nsuddenly you see a Triceratops sprinting on the battlefield.... I seriousyl doubt, wondering what's he doing there and goign to ask questions is the first thing that would come in your mind when you have hundreds of people on the other side waiting to shoot you.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 23 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[ahandsomeshark]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

moteh wrote...

I thought he was a great character, not necessarily likeable, but a good character. he has this sadness to him, and it's not from some humans thinking he has a Jamaican accent either, but from being a person basically lost in time now.

Definitely African accent, I feel bad for not being able to differentiate it more though. Just shocked people thought it was Jamaican.

Now aren't you special.  Africa has different languages you know.  And Jamaican accent is derived from the west African

It's also derived from the British Isles accents. Either way I'd say they sound nothing alike.

[MadRabbit999]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Goober2049 wrote...

I thought it worked. Didn't really bother me all that much, though I did feel bad for Liara by the time she found out that the Protheans were not quite what she thought they were.

Even worst... the Protheans are their Gods... meaning Asari beleif are all false,  the scene in the temple pretty much destroyed Asari religion.

Well Liara said very few Asari still followed that religion anyway. It was mostly just stories/myths now not a major religion.

Liara seemed like one of the believers to be honest, and even if she wasn't, she looked REALLY pissed that someone was questioning the reality of her religion... a "few" can still mean hundred milions Asari in a Galaxy with 10+bilions.

[CasbynessPC]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

CasbynessPC wrote...

Since West Africa is the cradle of all humanity, I thought it was a nice touch to parallel that in the game and have the Protheans using a Nigerian accent. It possessed the right sort of resonance for the last survivor of the old world, a good way to make him sound old without needing to actually be old with a grandfatherly voice, etc.

I thought it was a decision you could clearly imagine the development towards and thinking processes behind.

Except that nobody speak English in Mass Effect, but "Galactic" so.. he is speaking "Nigerian Galactic" I guess... so realistically speaking this reference makes no sense.. but I can understand the art direction with this.

I'm talking about a parallel between the real world and the ficticious one. As in, the development meeting went:

"hmm what accent/voice shall we protray this Prothean with?"
"well, he's supposed to be representative of the past, a bygone age, a lost civilisation"
"hmm, there were are a lot of lost civilisations in Africa. In fact, the human race expanded out of sub-saharan Africa."
"Oh, I like the sound of that. So instead of sounding exotic in an alien way, or making him old to underline the point of his origin, let's give him an African accent. Nigerian sounds cool, lots of gravitas and depth"
"Yeah, let's do that"

Other less-inspired options: English ("mostly American audience, so appeal to the old world idea"), Native American ("too obvious"), Chinese ("people won't get it").

[Lyrandori]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

I like to compare it to dinosaurs myself. What would be your reaction of seeing one alive, knowing that no one has ever seen a living dinosaur ever? If you've seen the first Jurassic Park movie just recall Dr. Grant's reaction when he sees the dinosaurs from the Jeep for the first time. Ok, that's dramatic, I don't want that much but seriously, a Prothean right there and... oh cool, k, next?

This is my personal belief, but: remains of dinosaurs, to someone who has never seen one, could be "Dragons", and that is why we get the Dragons stories all over the world, the only way for so many cultures to come up with the exact same idea is very suspicious, and one of the possible solutions is that they look at this giant skeletons and think  "Dragon!" (And no, I do not believe dragons really existed).

Yes.. the response to the Prothean was very poor, I had the same impression, but can you imagine the complexity of divuldging the informations about a prothean? You would get the whole Hanar homerworld trying to kill shepard so they coudl get their tentacles on him, for one... design wise, is a headache to make it fit.

Also there is another possibility... think of it you are in the middle of World War 2, in the trenches, pieces of human remains all over you... whe nsuddenly you see a Triceratops sprinting on the battlefield.... I seriousyl doubt, wondering what's he doing there and goign to ask questions is the first thing that would come in your mind when you have hundreds of people on the other side waiting to shoot you.

Lol, ok not THAT much. I do get your point. I agree with it, too.

What I MEANT (really I should have mentioned), is that the reactions coming from the people that Shepard TELLS Javik about (being a Prothean) are poor. Those specific individuals that DO end up having Javik in front of them in the flesh while Shepard confirms that he is a Prothean (not like Shepard likes to make jokes around like that, or just making jokes around to start with). I wasn't exactly referring to wanting more reactions from the entire galaxy. It's just reactions from... you know... Hackett, for one. Or... you know, within the Normandy itself, who goes visiting Javik in person except Shepard and Liara?

I mean outside of Javik himself moving around the ship so that Shepard (the player) can capture some convos as you walk by. It's like there's barely any excitement or curiosity about Javik. There IS some, but from so few characters it troubles me. Again I just want to repeat, I didn't exactly expect the whole galaxy to stop firing at the Reapers, turn on their datapad and look at some live Extranet footage of Javik in the Normandy and go "OMG, a Prothean?!" only to be wiped out by the closest Reaper's beam in the process due to lack of attention on the battlefield...

[QicklyCze]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

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Yes.. the response to the Prothean was very poor, I had the same impression, but can you imagine the complexity of divuldging the informations about a prothean? You would get the whole Hanar homerworld trying to kill shepard so they coudl get their tentacles on him, for one... design wise, is a headache to make it fit.
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My Shepard would be just fine because I didn't stop hanar ambassador from uploading virus to their defence system:whistle:

Modifié par QicklyCze, 23 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[Thornne]

Didn't buy the DLC, so I guess I'll never know.

[MPSai]

I thought he was great. The accent set him apart from other characters/aliens in the game, and I like how he subverted both the audience's and the characters' expectations. Everyone expects a Prothean to be super wise etc. but of course not every single person from a culture is going to be a great scholar or scientist or what have you. Pluck a random person out from the pool of humanity and ask them about human achievements and they probably won't know sh*t. The guy's just a soldier. Expecting Javik to have all the answers just showed how idealized and myth-like the Protheans had become.

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[CasbynessPC]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Goober2049 wrote...

I thought it worked. Didn't really bother me all that much, though I did feel bad for Liara by the time she found out that the Protheans were not quite what she thought they were.

Even worst... the Protheans are their Gods... meaning Asari beleif are all false,  the scene in the temple pretty much destroyed Asari religion.

Well Liara said very few Asari still followed that religion anyway. It was mostly just stories/myths now not a major religion.

Liara seemed like one of the believers to be honest, and even if she wasn't, she looked REALLY pissed that someone was questioning the reality of her religion... a "few" can still mean hundred milions Asari in a Galaxy with 10+bilions.

Though possible, I find it highly improbable that an Asari who's job it is to discover and study Prothean artifacts in depth would be able to maintain the belief that Protheans were/are Gods. what happened the first time she unearthed a Prothean fork, or toilet seat? Wasn't that force field she was caught in in ME1 of Prothean origin? Gods needed force fields?

[ahandsomeshark]

Thornne wrote...

Didn't buy the DLC, so I guess I'll never know.

Honestly if I hadn't already bought the Collector's Edition and bought the DLC after paying 60 bucks for the game I would have been livid. The mission itself is fairly meh, go through some buildings, kill some hostiles and repeat, but Javik adds a ton to the main narrative and can actually make a big difference in missions. 

[ahandsomeshark]

CasbynessPC wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Goober2049 wrote...

I thought it worked. Didn't really bother me all that much, though I did feel bad for Liara by the time she found out that the Protheans were not quite what she thought they were.

Even worst... the Protheans are their Gods... meaning Asari beleif are all false,  the scene in the temple pretty much destroyed Asari religion.

Well Liara said very few Asari still followed that religion anyway. It was mostly just stories/myths now not a major religion.

Liara seemed like one of the believers to be honest, and even if she wasn't, she looked REALLY pissed that someone was questioning the reality of her religion... a "few" can still mean hundred milions Asari in a Galaxy with 10+bilions.

Though possible, I find it highly improbable that an Asari who's job it is to discover and study Prothean artifacts in depth would be able to maintain the belief that Protheans were/are Gods. what happened the first time she unearthed a Prothean fork, or toilet seat? Wasn't that force field she was caught in in ME1 of Prothean origin? Gods needed force fields?

They didn't think Protheans were gods though, they didn't realize the Gods of their stories were protheans., Or at least Liara didn't it's left kind of up in the air whether the Matriarch's knew ( I think it's kind of implied they did). But yeah Liara's reaction was kind of surprising to me because it didn't seem like she was someone who had followed the religion (but maybe Benezia did?)

[MadRabbit999]

CasbynessPC wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Goober2049 wrote...

I thought it worked. Didn't really bother me all that much, though I did feel bad for Liara by the time she found out that the Protheans were not quite what she thought they were.

Even worst... the Protheans are their Gods... meaning Asari beleif are all false,  the scene in the temple pretty much destroyed Asari religion.

Well Liara said very few Asari still followed that religion anyway. It was mostly just stories/myths now not a major religion.

Liara seemed like one of the believers to be honest, and even if she wasn't, she looked REALLY pissed that someone was questioning the reality of her religion... a "few" can still mean hundred milions Asari in a Galaxy with 10+bilions.

Though possible, I find it highly improbable that an Asari who's job it is to discover and study Prothean artifacts in depth would be able to maintain the belief that Protheans were/are Gods. what happened the first time she unearthed a Prothean fork, or toilet seat? Wasn't that force field she was caught in in ME1 of Prothean origin? Gods needed force fields?

You are confusing yourself... Asari do not beleive Protheans were gods... Asari thoguht that these beings coming to help them (100.000+ years before) were Gods... think Stargate.

Liara is fighting with herself when she comes to learn that all she has studied was false.. and the icying on the cake was to find out that her people was worshiping a bunch of aliens, not gods... she wants the truth, then cannot accept it, THIS is the best part of Liara in ME3

[mikelope]

He's great but felt like he was pulled out of a hat. I like that the protheans were turned into collectors and no one else survived. It was an appropriate reminder of what could happen to humans.

[MadRabbit999]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

CasbynessPC wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Goober2049 wrote...

I thought it worked. Didn't really bother me all that much, though I did feel bad for Liara by the time she found out that the Protheans were not quite what she thought they were.

Even worst... the Protheans are their Gods... meaning Asari beleif are all false,  the scene in the temple pretty much destroyed Asari religion.

Well Liara said very few Asari still followed that religion anyway. It was mostly just stories/myths now not a major religion.

Liara seemed like one of the believers to be honest, and even if she wasn't, she looked REALLY pissed that someone was questioning the reality of her religion... a "few" can still mean hundred milions Asari in a Galaxy with 10+bilions.

Though possible, I find it highly improbable that an Asari who's job it is to discover and study Prothean artifacts in depth would be able to maintain the belief that Protheans were/are Gods. what happened the first time she unearthed a Prothean fork, or toilet seat? Wasn't that force field she was caught in in ME1 of Prothean origin? Gods needed force fields?

They didn't think Protheans were gods though, they didn't realize the Gods of their stories were protheans., Or at least Liara didn't it's left kind of up in the air whether the Matriarch's knew ( I think it's kind of implied they did). But yeah Liara's reaction was kind of surprising to me because it didn't seem like she was someone who had followed the religion (but maybe Benezia did?)

Benezia knew about the ruins, and so that the "gods" were Protheans alogn with very few Asari in the goverment, so I doubt she did.

[JasmoVT]

My thought

Good a bad#ss for ME3 just when I was missing my man Zaeed.

Modifié par JasmoVT, 23 mars 2012 - 04:21 .