First i tought that it could have used some epiloque text but after reading "the notes" it's pretty clear why they decided not to put them in game. I mean it would be pretty depressing reading after all..
-Admiral Hacket and part of victory fleet fought each other till the last man for earths resources
-Krogan and Rachni populated earth and every single people got eaten or shot.
-Your crew stranded to jungle planet, build beach houses and spent rest of their lives f.. each other
-Joker had two blue kids with your LI
-All people that were in Citadel died horrible death, your efforts to upgrade security was futile.
-colonies that were dependent from outside resources starved to death.
-Starchild is still alive, hardware was not in crucible..
-people in galaxy hated Shepard so much that they still tell stories about him/her after 10k years
They were right.. "you are the chaos, we are order"
adding Epilogue Text to current ending: would you really be "satisfied"?
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#102
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:28
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I agree a text epilogue would just show how much they have fallen, and dont care about us. it would be proverbial insult to injury.
#103
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:29
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An epilogue dlc would not be able to repair the damage of the ending. Unless it went with the indoctrination theory. There are far too many plotholes to try and fix. It would be best to scrap the whole part after the TIM/Anderson bit and redo the whole thing. I'd be happy to accept that it was all a dream (or nightmare...), thats how bad it was.
If you get a high EMS/Paragon score. I suggest that the ending has:
-A chance for Shepard to destroy the Reapers using the crucible. No strings attached.
-A much better explanation of the Reaper's origins and motives. None of this "we didn't want you to be killed by synthetics, so we created synthetics to kill you every 50,000 years, so you wouldn't be killed by synthetics". That was probably the worst thing I've ever heard.
-Have the Normandy pick a bloodied Shepard up.
-Each crew member/main cast member congratulate Shepard.
-Hackett gives Shepard a medal.
-Cutscenes showing the extent of your EMS.
-Mass relays intact.
-See civilisations like the Asari rebuild their home worlds and colonies.
-Have a Return of the Jedi style ending set later on, with all the main cast on the beach showing the construction of an Earth city behind them. Something HAPPY. I know its clichéd to hell but I believe we deserve a happy ending, especially Shepard.
Thats my idea for the best version of the ending anyway.
If you get a high EMS/Paragon score. I suggest that the ending has:
-A chance for Shepard to destroy the Reapers using the crucible. No strings attached.
-A much better explanation of the Reaper's origins and motives. None of this "we didn't want you to be killed by synthetics, so we created synthetics to kill you every 50,000 years, so you wouldn't be killed by synthetics". That was probably the worst thing I've ever heard.
-Have the Normandy pick a bloodied Shepard up.
-Each crew member/main cast member congratulate Shepard.
-Hackett gives Shepard a medal.
-Cutscenes showing the extent of your EMS.
-Mass relays intact.
-See civilisations like the Asari rebuild their home worlds and colonies.
-Have a Return of the Jedi style ending set later on, with all the main cast on the beach showing the construction of an Earth city behind them. Something HAPPY. I know its clichéd to hell but I believe we deserve a happy ending, especially Shepard.
Thats my idea for the best version of the ending anyway.
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#104
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:38
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It could potentially "work", although it's not really what I want to see and experience. That was one of the thoughts I had a while ago - just have the writers spend a week writing a story that ties up the ending and put it online. Cheap, easy, and quick. Not perfectly satisfying, but it'd be *something*.
I'd prefer to have the ending redone and improved. We'll see what happens.
I'd prefer to have the ending redone and improved. We'll see what happens.
#105
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:38
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Mythanblood wrote...
Zardoc wrote...
Short answer: No.
Long answer. Noooooooooooo.
#106
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:40
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As long as they keep the StarBrat and Gilligan's planet, no.
#107
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:41
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Epilogue would be handy if BW isn't gonna continue the series; personally I think it's a given that there'll be an ME4 so I can understand why they can't really give too much of an epilogue.
My problem is that there are way too many unanswered questions and contradictory logical decisions between the time Shepard steps through the beam and makes his choice; this is the sequence that needs to be addressed imo. Space magic and ghost children just do not fit the established themes of the ME universe.
My problem is that there are way too many unanswered questions and contradictory logical decisions between the time Shepard steps through the beam and makes his choice; this is the sequence that needs to be addressed imo. Space magic and ghost children just do not fit the established themes of the ME universe.
#108
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:41
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Definitely not.
The ending is too blatantly riddled with plotholes and oversights that it needs to die and be buried under a proper ending. If that proper ending ends with epilogue text, sure.
The ending is too blatantly riddled with plotholes and oversights that it needs to die and be buried under a proper ending. If that proper ending ends with epilogue text, sure.
#109
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:42
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Any ending that can result in the Mass Relays, Citadel, Geth and EDI being saved, and the Reapers being destroyed would do it for me. Even if it was tacked onto the current end, and Shep couldn't survive in it.
I'm thinking White as the colour for the energy pulse. Or perhaps Yellow.
I'm thinking White as the colour for the energy pulse. Or perhaps Yellow.
#110
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:42
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Haasth wrote...
Definitely not.
The ending is too blatantly riddled with plotholes and oversights that it needs to die and be buried under a proper ending. If that proper ending ends with epilogue text, sure.
Seconded!!!!
#111
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:43
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I'd actually be far more insulted and even more invigorated to continue the cause. Because something like this implies that the ending was simply over our heads and needs explanation. BioWare needs to realize their ending was just crap--and it needs to be changed entirely.
#112
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:43
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Zardoc wrote...
Short answer: No.
Long answer. Noooooooooooo.
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#114
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:45
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@Solmanian
I never said Shepard is god....and obviously he cant control future conflicts....thats simply out of his hands....what I was referring to is:
Your decisions weigh heavily on the outcome....ME2's suicide mission executed this flawlessly....Casey said it would be implemented in ME3 with even more varying endings...
I never said Shepard is god....and obviously he cant control future conflicts....thats simply out of his hands....what I was referring to is:
Your decisions weigh heavily on the outcome....ME2's suicide mission executed this flawlessly....Casey said it would be implemented in ME3 with even more varying endings...
#116
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:46
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LTKerr wrote...
In fact, let me go ahead and give you that epilogue text, free of charge.
Epilogue: Then the Galaxy entered a new Dark Age lasting tens of thousands of years. The Quarian and Turian fleet all died. Mass war between the remaining species on Earth for basic supplies dropped the population even further. Many colonies perished due to not being able to recieve supplies. THE END.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:46
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#118
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:49
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I just think: a) this is ending is FUBAR (not salvageable) and 
people are fed up enough from this and probably won't accept anything beyond a completely new ending
people are fed up enough from this and probably won't accept anything beyond a completely new ending
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#119
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:50
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To answer the OP's question quickly: No.
I honestly won't even truly be 'satisfied' with ME3's ending unless War Assets are addressed via cut scenes.
* Krogans and Turians fighting side-by-side... in a emotionally impactful moment. Not some random shots of them shooting at a random enemy that's off screen. This could have easily been implemented in the final battles defending the missile launchers.
* Salarian STG guy making emotionally impactful sacrifice
* Geth/Quarians teaming up to create a virus to help attack the Reapers.
* Rachnni --- Swarming a reaper by the thousands and ripping it apart, Reaper screams in pain/fear as Rachnni destroy it. (Seriously, Bioware... how the ***** did you miss this opportunity?) How much of a "**** Yeah!!" moment would it have been if they swarm Harby at the end, allowing you to get to the citadel beam???
You know, Bioware.... just showing in general HOW IMPORTANT it was to bring all these races of aliens together over the course of all three games. Because the Reapers are too powerful to be defeated by Shepard alone... ya know, like, he dies and fails without all these races coming to the rescue. Ya know, like, turning the tables, shoe on the other foot, that type of clever stuff... but I guess the literal Dues Ex Machina was too important and needed to be focused on more.
You yourselves even had dialogue about IN FREAKIN' GAME, Javik right at the end... yet you drop the ball at the goal line, like some developer version of Leon Lett in Superbowl XXVII. Shame on you.
I honestly won't even truly be 'satisfied' with ME3's ending unless War Assets are addressed via cut scenes.
* Krogans and Turians fighting side-by-side... in a emotionally impactful moment. Not some random shots of them shooting at a random enemy that's off screen. This could have easily been implemented in the final battles defending the missile launchers.
* Salarian STG guy making emotionally impactful sacrifice
* Geth/Quarians teaming up to create a virus to help attack the Reapers.
* Rachnni --- Swarming a reaper by the thousands and ripping it apart, Reaper screams in pain/fear as Rachnni destroy it. (Seriously, Bioware... how the ***** did you miss this opportunity?) How much of a "**** Yeah!!" moment would it have been if they swarm Harby at the end, allowing you to get to the citadel beam???
You know, Bioware.... just showing in general HOW IMPORTANT it was to bring all these races of aliens together over the course of all three games. Because the Reapers are too powerful to be defeated by Shepard alone... ya know, like, he dies and fails without all these races coming to the rescue. Ya know, like, turning the tables, shoe on the other foot, that type of clever stuff... but I guess the literal Dues Ex Machina was too important and needed to be focused on more.
You yourselves even had dialogue about IN FREAKIN' GAME, Javik right at the end... yet you drop the ball at the goal line, like some developer version of Leon Lett in Superbowl XXVII. Shame on you.
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#120
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:50
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No. I don't want anything "explained". The very last thing the ending needs is more exposition.
Throw the last ten minutes out the airlock and start over, or go with IT and pretend like none of it ever happened. Either way, I will not be satisfied as long as the current ending is canon.
Throw the last ten minutes out the airlock and start over, or go with IT and pretend like none of it ever happened. Either way, I will not be satisfied as long as the current ending is canon.
#121
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:51
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Well.. anything would be better than 'buy DLC' .. but no, definitely not.
#122
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:02
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I doubt very, very much that we will get many, many multiple endings, many cutscenes and etc, unless all this was planned many time ago, and considering the impatience of many people here, i think that wathever they come trough will not be enough, so yeah i'm ok with the "slideshow" if fills the majority of the holes, since i think that's probably they will do in the little span of time the "fans" are giving them and providing that they don't want to pay more either.... 
#123
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:04
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No, there is terrible plotholes that need to be filled...
But a text recap at the very end, like a report of the losses, would be nice...
JPR out!
But a text recap at the very end, like a report of the losses, would be nice...
JPR out!
#124
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:05
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Unsatisfactory. Current ending leaves lack of resolution.
Add Indoctrination Theory, additional content, give real ending, or not worth time.
Add Indoctrination Theory, additional content, give real ending, or not worth time.
#125
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:39
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Assuming they did implement the indoctrination/dream theory and have Shepard wake up...
I was thinking: what if Shep wakes up, regroups with his Squad...they go up to the Citadel(Forreal this time)....you are confronted by the illusive man...
TIM would be indoctrinated heavily and would be a sub-boss fight....after defeating him(not killing him) he would mention something about the Crucible not being the answer to the Reaper threat. What if he reveals that the crucible won't kill them and its just dysfunctional.(a good deed by telling you this information with his last breath)
This would be a crushing twist....
And then, as he's done before on his entire journey, when all hope is lost, Shepard realizes the insurmountable odds, and isn't going to lay down and die. He's going to fight. And Hope to win....its all they got....
This is when the Fleet that you have assembled is shown in cutscenes battling to the death head to head with Reapers(there will be heavy losses regardless)....
Harbinger storms the Citadel, and the boss fight to end all boss fights begins.
The stakes: The Galaxy and life as we know it.
Harbinger may have some dialog shedding some light on things that need some explanation(purpose of the Reapers, why hes so interested in Shepard.)
Once you get halfway through the boss fight, a cutscene starts, and shows your Fleet getting routed....and then out of nowhere, The Rachni Queen arrives in full force in our darkest hour(just as she said she would) and begins to turn the tide
Cutscene of Turian and human ground troops fighting side by side....
Cutscenes of Wrex and Grunt kicking major ass with a battalion of krogans fighting alongside the Salarian STG
Cutscenes of our ME2 squadmates doing battle
It's a moment infused with despair and hope at the same time
Cut back to Harbinger talking some smack about "knowing you were a worthy adversary...but your efforts are futile"....and then resume fighting to the death
Whether you win or lose, determines the ending Cutscenes(which I described in a "wishful thinking" post on page 2 of this thread)
The Cutscenes before finishing the Harbinger fight, will also vary based on your EMS....the Cutscenes I just described could be the best possible Cutscenes with a high EMS....if your EMS were low, and you didnt build alliances....characters would die in the scene....
Just some thoughts of how it could go with indoc theory applied....and whether you like it or not, the indoc theory seems the only way to "re-do" the end, without taking away the writers "artistic integrity" and removing the the last 10 minutes.....
Just add to it
Not to mention it has nice Symmetry with the end of ME1 as well(battle for the citadel)...only this time its over Earth....and for the fate of the Galaxy
These are just bullet points....Bioware can fill in everything in between superbly as they have before(except those last 10 minutes lol)
Disclaimer: this was all just a thought in my head
I was thinking: what if Shep wakes up, regroups with his Squad...they go up to the Citadel(Forreal this time)....you are confronted by the illusive man...
TIM would be indoctrinated heavily and would be a sub-boss fight....after defeating him(not killing him) he would mention something about the Crucible not being the answer to the Reaper threat. What if he reveals that the crucible won't kill them and its just dysfunctional.(a good deed by telling you this information with his last breath)
This would be a crushing twist....
And then, as he's done before on his entire journey, when all hope is lost, Shepard realizes the insurmountable odds, and isn't going to lay down and die. He's going to fight. And Hope to win....its all they got....
This is when the Fleet that you have assembled is shown in cutscenes battling to the death head to head with Reapers(there will be heavy losses regardless)....
Harbinger storms the Citadel, and the boss fight to end all boss fights begins.
The stakes: The Galaxy and life as we know it.
Harbinger may have some dialog shedding some light on things that need some explanation(purpose of the Reapers, why hes so interested in Shepard.)
Once you get halfway through the boss fight, a cutscene starts, and shows your Fleet getting routed....and then out of nowhere, The Rachni Queen arrives in full force in our darkest hour(just as she said she would) and begins to turn the tide
Cutscene of Turian and human ground troops fighting side by side....
Cutscenes of Wrex and Grunt kicking major ass with a battalion of krogans fighting alongside the Salarian STG
Cutscenes of our ME2 squadmates doing battle
It's a moment infused with despair and hope at the same time
Cut back to Harbinger talking some smack about "knowing you were a worthy adversary...but your efforts are futile"....and then resume fighting to the death
Whether you win or lose, determines the ending Cutscenes(which I described in a "wishful thinking" post on page 2 of this thread)
The Cutscenes before finishing the Harbinger fight, will also vary based on your EMS....the Cutscenes I just described could be the best possible Cutscenes with a high EMS....if your EMS were low, and you didnt build alliances....characters would die in the scene....
Just some thoughts of how it could go with indoc theory applied....and whether you like it or not, the indoc theory seems the only way to "re-do" the end, without taking away the writers "artistic integrity" and removing the the last 10 minutes.....
Just add to it
Not to mention it has nice Symmetry with the end of ME1 as well(battle for the citadel)...only this time its over Earth....and for the fate of the Galaxy
These are just bullet points....Bioware can fill in everything in between superbly as they have before(except those last 10 minutes lol)
Disclaimer: this was all just a thought in my head
