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[Amaranthy]

Aurvant wrote...

The Citadel (and the Crucible) exploded above the Earth. The place where Shepard was located was at the very CENTER OF ALL OF IT. Shepard could not have survived it, so the breathing scene makes no sense.

Shepard is not superman.

Also, as for the idea that maybe the Citadel is somehow intact? No, no, no. We see it explode AMD all of its "flower petals" we're completely ripped apart in the blast. Those petals connect to the central ring where the wards are. Those are torn completely apart.

Either Shepard is still on Earth or we're expected to completely abandon all logical sense in order to comprehend that ending.

Wow, here we go again, show me the scene where you see the Citadel getting blown into pieces. The scene cuts out right after we see explosions on the Citadel and that's it, we do not see the Citadel explode.

[dreman9999]

Amaranthy wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

Everyone needs to play ME 1 again. Proceed to the docking area where your Normandy is, then look at the edges of the docking bay and see a forcefield there that keeps the whole area pressurized.

Hope this solves everything for you guys/girls.

Not really since...you know, the Citadel blows into pieces and Shepard is at the center of the blast?

I don't get how people see the Citadel blowing into pieces, I did not see any scene where the Citadel parts get torn off or anything. It shows explosions, probably debris hitting the Citadel. It's just flames going up into space, it doesn't show the extent of damage the Citadel was getting.

Also, you can see the same forcefield at the start of ME 2 when your ship gets attacked. Right before the cockpit, there's a forcefield that kept the room pressurized.

And again, I have to ask where do people see the Citadel getting destroyed? Yes, there's explosions going on but it does not get BLOWN INTO PIECES.

No one is saying the citidel blewup to peices. We're just saying the expotions you see at the end would be strong enough to destroy any Mass efect feild genorator.Add in th fact that Shep is on the out side, meaning he would of been shot out into space.

[Aurvant]

The last place you fought in ME1 was inside of the presidium tower. All of the scenes before it were outside of the tower. When Shepard is outside she needs a helmet. When she is inside the tower she does not.

[dreman9999]

Amaranthy wrote...

Aurvant wrote...

The Citadel (and the Crucible) exploded above the Earth. The place where Shepard was located was at the very CENTER OF ALL OF IT. Shepard could not have survived it, so the breathing scene makes no sense.

Shepard is not superman.

Also, as for the idea that maybe the Citadel is somehow intact? No, no, no. We see it explode AMD all of its "flower petals" we're completely ripped apart in the blast. Those petals connect to the central ring where the wards are. Those are torn completely apart.

Either Shepard is still on Earth or we're expected to completely abandon all logical sense in order to comprehend that ending.

Wow, here we go again, show me the scene where you see the Citadel getting blown into pieces. The scene cuts out right after we see explosions on the Citadel and that's it, we do not see the Citadel explode.

No one is saying the citidel blew up into peices...Just that it blew up...Get it?

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[Jaze55]

This is unreal.

Just let them think they are right w/ the indoc theory BS. There is no point using logic or facts here, none at all.

[Amaranthy]

shinobi602 wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

Everyone needs to play ME 1 again. Proceed to the docking area where your Normandy is, then look at the edges of the docking bay and see a forcefield there that keeps the whole area pressurized.

Hope this solves everything for you guys/girls.

Not really since...you know, the Citadel blows into pieces and Shepard is at the center of the blast?

I don't get how people see the Citadel blowing into pieces, I did not see any scene where the Citadel parts get torn off or anything. It shows explosions, probably debris hitting the Citadel. It's just flames going up into space, it doesn't show the extent of damage the Citadel was getting.

Also, you can see the same forcefield at the start of ME 2 when your ship gets attacked. Right before the cockpit, there's a forcefield that kept the room pressurized.

And again, I have to ask where do people see the Citadel getting destroyed? Yes, there's explosions going on but it does not get BLOWN INTO PIECES.

1:45 to 1:50 here:



You can see the Citadel arms collapsing.

Looks like it's collapsing but the scene cuts out. Even the small ring is still intact (where Shepard is) after that huge explosion.

EDIT: Actually, I see the upper arm drifting apart from the main ring.

Modifié par Amaranthy, 23 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[count_4]

Sion1138 wrote...
Still has to fall from orbit. I repeat, from orbit.

You mean like satellites and the Charon relay....oh, wait. No, it doesn't have to fall from orbit if positioned correctly. And I think the Reapers should be capable of that.

As for the breathing: There is artificial atmosphere above the Wards, there might as well be some where Shep is. 
Not defending the ending here but there is no need to nitpick everything to death.

[dreman9999]

MassEffected555 wrote...

This is unreal.

Just let them think they are right w/ the indoc theory BS. There is no point using logic or facts here, none at all.

It might help if you were using logic and facts.

[shinobi602]

Amaranthy wrote...

Looks like it's collapsing but the scene cuts out. Even the small ring is still intact (where Shepard is) after that huge explosion.

The arms collapsing to their sides and different directions is to show you the Citadel's lost its structure support and ability to support itself. The explosion engulfs the entire area where Shepard is. There is NO WAY he/she would survive it. For God's sakes, Shepard's armor is practically gone on top of it. How would he/she survive?

[Giguelingueling]

dreman9999 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Maybe the Catalyst sent shepard back through the conduit after he destroyed the reactor?

......What type of logic is this?

Magic logic.

I'll stick  to real logic....

Dude stop it with the ID theory. They DID NOT plan this. 


Every single point in this video is easily explained because of programming limitation and laziness. 

All those point implies that ME3 is a perfect game (meaning they thought of everything in the game and how they will appears in the game and how every details in the game will interact with each other. )  

Go watch final hours, or realize that the simple fact that they did not announce something about it yet lower the chanche to zero that the ID theory was planned. 

Personnally I wish that they will use ID theory for their new ending, but clearly they did not plan this. 

[jkflipflopDAO]

Watch closely @ 20:30

The citadel is done.

[Amaranthy]

shinobi602 wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

Looks like it's collapsing but the scene cuts out. Even the small ring is still intact (where Shepard is) after that huge explosion.

The arms collapsing to their sides and different directions is to show you the Citadel's lost its structure support and ability to support itself. The explosion engulfs the entire area where Shepard is. There is NO WAY he/she would survive it. For God's sakes, Shepard's armor is practically gone on top of it. How would he/she survive?

The final scene where Shepard breathes shows him surviving. I don't know how that happened but it did happen, lol.

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...]No one is saying the citidel blewup to peices. We're just saying the expotions you see at the end would be strong enough to destroy any Mass efect feild genorator.Add in th fact that Shep is on the out side, meaning he would of been shot out into space.

This is extreme supposition. The Normandy (ME2)is getting ravaged and can still maintain mass effect fields. You can not just claim to know when and where the shields would be possible and when they would not.

[Aurvant]

Yes, we do see the Citadel explode. Immediately after it fires the beam across towards the mass relays you can -clearly- see the central area explode and the arms being torn off from the blast. As soon as the blast is finished, there is a larger explosion and a chain event where you can see the arms being torn off at their connections.

[dreman9999]

@Amaranthy 

No one is saying the citdel blows up INTO PEICES...We are just saying the citdel blew up, refering that it engages into lots of explasions. note: these explotion are strong enough to warp the arms...And Shep is on the out side of the station..That would mean he would of been shot out into space.

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[shinobi602]

Amaranthy wrote...
The final scene where Shepard breathes shows him surviving. I don't know how that happened but it did happen, lol.

That's the whole thing we're trying to figure out..............

[The Angry One]

Amaranthy wrote...

Aurvant wrote...

The Citadel (and the Crucible) exploded above the Earth. The place where Shepard was located was at the very CENTER OF ALL OF IT. Shepard could not have survived it, so the breathing scene makes no sense.

Shepard is not superman.

Also, as for the idea that maybe the Citadel is somehow intact? No, no, no. We see it explode AMD all of its "flower petals" we're completely ripped apart in the blast. Those petals connect to the central ring where the wards are. Those are torn completely apart.

Either Shepard is still on Earth or we're expected to completely abandon all logical sense in order to comprehend that ending.

Wow, here we go again, show me the scene where you see the Citadel getting blown into pieces. The scene cuts out right after we see explosions on the Citadel and that's it, we do not see the Citadel explode.

[Amaranthy]

Aurvant wrote...

Yes, we do see the Citadel explode. Immediately after it fires the beam across towards the mass relays you can -clearly- see the central area explode and the arms being torn off from the blast. As soon as the blast is finished, there is a larger explosion and a chain event where you can see the arms being torn off at their connections.

We are grasping at straws here. The main thing is that Shepard did in fact, somehow survive after all those explosions.

[Amaranthy]

The Angry One wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

Aurvant wrote...

The Citadel (and the Crucible) exploded above the Earth. The place where Shepard was located was at the very CENTER OF ALL OF IT. Shepard could not have survived it, so the breathing scene makes no sense.

Shepard is not superman.

Also, as for the idea that maybe the Citadel is somehow intact? No, no, no. We see it explode AMD all of its "flower petals" we're completely ripped apart in the blast. Those petals connect to the central ring where the wards are. Those are torn completely apart.

Either Shepard is still on Earth or we're expected to completely abandon all logical sense in order to comprehend that ending.

Wow, here we go again, show me the scene where you see the Citadel getting blown into pieces. The scene cuts out right after we see explosions on the Citadel and that's it, we do not see the Citadel explode.

Look at the scene again after the explosion dissapears, the main ring is still there.

[dkear1]

Did anyone forget that the citadel is a huge mass relay. In all of the crappy three color endings the mass relays blow up to some degree (watch closely on the green and blue as parts still are flying off of them - just not as many as red). Now the green and red also show a brief clip of the arms breaking off of the citadel, but on the blue.....nothing happens......????? WTF???? Is the citadel a mass relay or not???

Ah...endings that make sense.....Yea, we have dismissed that claim.
SPACE MAGIC/PLOT HOLES for the WIN!!

Modifié par dkear1, 23 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[Twisted and Mean]

Amaranthy wrote...

The final scene where Shepard breathes shows him surviving. I don't know how that happened but it did happen, lol.

Except there's no way to tell if it's really Shepard. There is also no logical explanation how he could have survived the whole Citadel blowing up on him.

But guess what, even if he did survive the explosion it won't be long. The crashlanding will definitely get him. That is if he doesn't just float away into deep space, where he will simply die of dehydration.

[Amaranthy]

Twisted and Mean wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

The final scene where Shepard breathes shows him surviving. I don't know how that happened but it did happen, lol.

Except there's no way to tell if it's really Shepard. There is also no logical explanation how he could have survived the whole Citadel blowing up on him.

But guess what, even if he did survive the explosion it won't be long. The crashlanding will definitely get him. That is if he doesn't just float away into deep space, where he will simply die of dehydration.

If you play a male Shepard, you hear a man's voice when he inhales, if you play a female Shepard, you hear a woman's voicewhen she inhales.

It's definitely Shepard, the chestplate is all burned up and you see the N7 dogtags.

Modifié par Amaranthy, 23 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[dreman9999]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...]No one is saying the citidel blewup to peices. We're just saying the expotions you see at the end would be strong enough to destroy any Mass efect feild genorator.Add in th fact that Shep is on the out side, meaning he would of been shot out into space.

This is extreme supposition. The Normandy (ME2)is getting ravaged and can still maintain mass effect fields. You can not just claim to know when and where the shields would be possible and when they would not.

The normady was in working shape  and is a battle ship. And it never got anywere close to the level  of destroction the citdel gets.
Add in the fact that Shep is on the out side of the station. Remeber the last level of ME1 at the side of the citdel...One strong blow could through something as Heavy asa Krogan and a geth prime out of the statios gravity pull on the oust side...And you think Shepard would stay at the same spot on the outside end of the citdel as it blows up at alevel strong enough to warp the arms?

[Twisted and Mean]

Amaranthy wrote...

Twisted and Mean wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

The final scene where Shepard breathes shows him surviving. I don't know how that happened but it did happen, lol.

Except there's no way to tell if it's really Shepard. There is also no logical explanation how he could have survived the whole Citadel blowing up on him.

But guess what, even if he did survive the explosion it won't be long. The crashlanding will definitely get him. That is if he doesn't just float away into deep space, where he will simply die of dehydration.

If you play a male Shepard, you hear a man's voice when he inhales, if you play a female Shepard, you hear a woman's voicewhen she inhales.

Which, I guess, undeniably means that Shepard can enter a planet's atmosphere without even a spacesuit on and survive the crash. Or that he can survive in space for an indefinite amount of time by sheer willpower. Oh, wait... it doesn't.

[dreman9999]

Twisted and Mean wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

Twisted and Mean wrote...

Amaranthy wrote...

The final scene where Shepard breathes shows him surviving. I don't know how that happened but it did happen, lol.

Except there's no way to tell if it's really Shepard. There is also no logical explanation how he could have survived the whole Citadel blowing up on him.

But guess what, even if he did survive the explosion it won't be long. The crashlanding will definitely get him. That is if he doesn't just float away into deep space, where he will simply die of dehydration.

If you play a male Shepard, you hear a man's voice when he inhales, if you play a female Shepard, you hear a woman's voicewhen she inhales.

Which, I guess, undeniably means that Shepard can enter a planet's atmosphere without even a spacesuit on and survive the crash. Or that he can survive in space for an indefinite amount of time by sheer willpower. Oh, wait... it doesn't.

Or maybe....