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[ShepardTheHopeful]

I still don't understand why Shepard couldn't survive re-entry hes done it once already granted it costed 4 billion the first time but the second time he's got 4 billion credits of synthetics in him that somehow react to the crucible without killing him maybe the Crucible was utilizing dark matter to create a time reset in Shepard. If you can make someone stop in time why not restore them to a time before the Synthetics. It's been done in sci-fi before and would explain him falling from orbit. I mean the crucible is a 6 billion year old machine and no one has any knowledge about it or what it does other than "It'll stop the reapers and destroy the mass relays"

[dreman9999]

Capeo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's obviously meant to be Shepard. That's a fact.
The only issue here is that it makes no sense, there's no possible way for it to be the Citadel, and no possible way Shepard could've survived re-entry.
Unless a space wizard did it.

It's quite possible it is the Citadel.  The Citadel does not disintergrate.  The largest explosion shown is the Crucible itself because in the Destroy ending you make it malfunction.  It was not designed to destroy the Reapers.

Listen, even if the citadel did not blow up to peices..The xplotion was strong enough to warp the arms.....Now  shep is  at the out side the station during the explosions, and list time I checked in the end ofME1, only a little expotsion is enough to through something as heavy as a krogan and geth prime of the stations gritational pull. That would mean Shep would have been shot into space form the explotion of the citadel.

[The Angry One]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I still don't understand why Shepard couldn't survive re-entry hes done it once already granted it costed 4 billion the first time but the second time he's got 4 billion credits of synthetics in him that somehow react to the crucible without killing him maybe the Crucible was utilizing dark matter to create a time reset in Shepard. If you can make someone stop in time why not restore them to a time before the Synthetics. It's been done in sci-fi before and would explain him falling from orbit. I mean the crucible is a 6 billion year old machine and no one has any knowledge about it or what it does other than "It'll stop the reapers and destroy the mass relays"

Without armour?
Do you have any idea what re entry does to something not properly shielded? Look up the Columbia disaster.

Modifié par The Angry One, 23 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[Leafs43]

Shepherd is in space.

I spent 30 minutes looking around.

There is nothing that indicates there is any kind of bubble that will keep the atmosphere.


Nevermind the crucible docks right in middle of the citadel docking port, and the catalyst says noone has ever been there before.  It's all complete bullox.

Modifié par Leafs43, 23 mars 2012 - 04:47 .

[dreman9999]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I still don't understand why Shepard couldn't survive re-entry hes done it once already granted it costed 4 billion the first time but the second time he's got 4 billion credits of synthetics in him that somehow react to the crucible without killing him maybe the Crucible was utilizing dark matter to create a time reset in Shepard. If you can make someone stop in time why not restore them to a time before the Synthetics. It's been done in sci-fi before and would explain him falling from orbit. I mean the crucible is a 6 billion year old machine and no one has any knowledge about it or what it does other than "It'll stop the reapers and destroy the mass relays"

1. He never servied the last planet reentry. He died at the begining of ME2.
2. His armor is burt off and he has no helmet....HEe would die of no air..The coldness of space and have his bady burn off long before laning on earth.

He would never servive a fall from space like that.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

He has armor it's not casual clothes I don't know why everyone thinks that. He's in armor the armor is just all kinds of ****ed up. But he does indeed have armor. Besides who knows how he escaped maybe the keepers did it they were just kinda standing there. But it's all speculation at the end I just say magic space machine is more logical than indoctrinating space laser. But that's me.

[The Angry One]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

He has armor it's not casual clothes I don't know why everyone thinks that. He's in armor the armor is just all kinds of ****ed up. But he does indeed have armor. Besides who knows how he escaped maybe the keepers did it they were just kinda standing there. But it's all speculation at the end I just say magic space machine is more logical than indoctrinating space laser. But that's me.

Armour with several large holes in it, bare arms, bare chest. Do you think clothes are going to handle re entry temperatures? What?

[Bourne Endeavor]

We do not even need to debate this because of everything else that happens. Shepard survives two explodes, one being the entire destruction of the Citadel and someone is able to float in space without a suit, never mind subsequent reentry. This is so fundamentally terrible writing, it is astonishing.

[CavScout]

Leafs43 wrote...




Shepherd is in space.

I spent 30 minutes looking around.

There is nothing that indicates there is any kind of bubble that will keep the atmosphere.

More importantly, there is nothing there that indicates that they are in space. The facts that they are walking around, talking, breathing and not generally dying to the effects of vacuum exposure pretty much support they are not in exposed space.

[Capeo]

The Angry One wrote...

Capeo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's obviously meant to be Shepard. That's a fact.
The only issue here is that it makes no sense, there's no possible way for it to be the Citadel, and no possible way Shepard could've survived re-entry.
Unless a space wizard did it.

It's quite possible it is the Citadel.  The Citadel does not disintergrate.  The largest explosion shown is the Crucible itself because in the Destroy ending you make it malfunction.  It was not designed to destroy the Reapers.

a) There is no concrete on the Citadel
Shepard was on the outside surface of the Citadel at the time
c) The core was consumed by a fireball the size of the entire Presidium
d) It started to break apart.

It is NOT the Citadel.

a) Says who?
For the last time Shepard was never on the outside of anything.  WTF are you talking about?  He follows a tunnel and comes out in a chamber that has windows like a million others on the Citadel.  There is absolutely nothing to indicate they are outside.
c&d) And?  I just watched it again.  After the explosion clears everything is still intact.  

Bear in mind I'm not defending these endings nor the sense of them.  The simple fact is they didn't bother to make a different Citadel cutscene for the Shep lives ending because they were lazy.  My point is there is nothing to indicate Shep is ever outside of the Citadel.

[blooregard]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

justafan wrote...

Well considering in ME2 two we see ME field covering the holes in the Normandy while allowing a breathable atmosphere I guess the citadel could do that too. As for Shep landing on Earth alive? I guess Red space magic kills Grim Reapers as well...

Take some time to reamaber the end of ME1 before you meet Seran....You'll find a hole in your theory.

You are misremembering the end of ME1. I just can't tell if you are doing it intentionally or not.

I was under the impression that the ME fields used to patch holes could only be channeled through the ship (how the Normandy's barriers were down but they could seal off the cockpit).

The point still stands that Shepard is outside and/or ends up outside and in the best possible ending wakes up on Earth after suffocation, re-entry, and impact with a planet at terminal velocity. Unless you can find me evidence of concrete existing on the citadel he woke up on earth. 

[Bourne Endeavor]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

He has armor it's not casual clothes I don't know why everyone thinks that. He's in armor the armor is just all kinds of ****ed up. But he does indeed have armor. Besides who knows how he escaped maybe the keepers did it they were just kinda standing there. But it's all speculation at the end I just say magic space machine is more logical than indoctrinating space laser. But that's me.

Unless he is where Master Chief's armor, it wouldn't make a difference. No helment alone would suffocate him once the Citadel exploded and reentry would incinerate him in less than a minute.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

...once again you're trying to make logic out of a magic space machine that can overload all of the mass relays without destroying the systems they're in. I still see my idea as feasible. You can break every law of the game with a magic space machine but you can't miraculously come back to life after a fall you miraculously came back to life from to begin with? Honestly I guess everyones ending preference comes to this.

is it "A reaper did it" or "A crucible did it" because one is responsible and i'm leaning on the 6 billion year old counter to the reapers. So machine space magic!...still sounds more logical to me than half the indoctrination theory. It's Sci-fi i've seen weirder things happen.

And no one said he survive the fall the theory is he died oh did he die but the combination of synthetics and the cruicible eliminating those synthetics in a strange cosmic way is what revived him. That breath sounded like a "I've been dead but came back" breath to me. 

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 23 mars 2012 - 04:51 .

[justafan]

Capeo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

justafan wrote...

Well considering in ME2 two we see ME field covering the holes in the Normandy while allowing a breathable atmosphere I guess the citadel could do that too. As for Shep landing on Earth alive? I guess Red space magic kills Grim Reapers as well...

Take some time to reamaber the end of ME1 before you meet Seran....You'll find a hole in your theory.

No, they won't because Shepard is never outside of the Citadel in the end.  Ever.  They are in a chamber, likely under the tower.

Shepard is still on the Citadel, but the Catalyst encounter definitely takes place "outside" as there is no obvious enclosure separating Shepard from the vacuum of space.  The Catalyst chamber still could be rigged to produce a field that allow people to breath as it seems to be there so organics can reach it.  The areas you traverse in ME1's ending were never meant to have people walking on them so noone would bother putting up a breathable atmosphere there.   Also I fully admit I am grasping at straws with the ME field, I'm just trying to make what little sense I can of the endings.

[dreman9999]

CavScout wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...




Shepherd is in space.

I spent 30 minutes looking around.

There is nothing that indicates there is any kind of bubble that will keep the atmosphere.

More importantly, there is nothing there that indicates that they are in space. The facts that they are walking around, talking, breathing and not generally dying to the effects of vacuum exposure pretty much support they are not in exposed space.

Go to THE END OF me3....Look up....Your in space. Heck, it's the joining area of the crucible.. which only would be in space.

[shinobi602]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I still don't understand why Shepard couldn't survive re-entry hes done it once already granted it costed 4 billion the first time but the second time he's got 4 billion credits of synthetics in him that somehow react to the crucible without killing him maybe the Crucible was utilizing dark matter to create a time reset in Shepard. If you can make someone stop in time why not restore them to a time before the Synthetics. It's been done in sci-fi before and would explain him falling from orbit. I mean the crucible is a 6 billion year old machine and no one has any knowledge about it or what it does other than "It'll stop the reapers and destroy the mass relays"

Done it once? You mean where he was in "glass jars and tubes" according to Jacob? And that was him wearing ARMOR.

[Leafs43]

CavScout wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...




Shepherd is in space.

I spent 30 minutes looking around.

There is nothing that indicates there is any kind of bubble that will keep the atmosphere.

More importantly, there is nothing there that indicates that they are in space. The facts that they are walking around, talking, breathing and not generally dying to the effects of vacuum exposure pretty much support they are not in exposed space.

Which is why whenever you dock with the citadel you don't get an air tight jetway or gate.  Because people can just easily walk out and have breathable air.

oh wait...

[shinobi602]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

He has armor it's not casual clothes I don't know why everyone thinks that. He's in armor the armor is just all kinds of ****ed up. But he does indeed have armor. Besides who knows how he escaped maybe the keepers did it they were just kinda standing there. But it's all speculation at the end I just say magic space machine is more logical than indoctrinating space laser. But that's me.

But....there's nothing logical about it!

[The Angry One]

Capeo wrote...

a) Says who?

Says 3 games and common sense, why would you build things out of concrete on a space station?

For the last time Shepard was never on the outside of anything.  WTF are you talking about?  He follows a tunnel and comes out in a chamber that has windows like a million others on the Citadel.  There is absolutely nothing to indicate they are outside.

Good god, pay attention. Shepard is brought to the bottom of the Presidium tower, the connection point between the Crucible and the Citadel.

c&d) And?  I just watched it again.  After the explosion clears everything is still intact. 

An intact burned out husk, that is moving out of control while the wards buckle.
Explain how anyone survives a fireball like that whether the buildings are intact or not.

Bear in mind I'm not defending these endings nor the sense of them.  The simple fact is they didn't bother to make a different Citadel cutscene for the Shep lives ending because they were lazy.  My point is there is nothing to indicate Shep is ever outside of the Citadel.

Watch the scene again, Shep is outside.

[Capeo]

Leafs43 wrote...




Shepherd is in space.

I spent 30 minutes looking around.

There is nothing that indicates there is any kind of bubble that will keep the atmosphere.


Nevermind the crucible docks right in middle of the citadel docking port, and the catalyst says noone has ever been there before.  It's all complete bullox.

They are in the chamber where the green circle is.  That's not in space.

[Phearmonger]

Mr Massakka wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Why would they create a mass effect field around the Reaper's "destruction-port"?... That's actually the point that makes even less sense.

Dude you know the Reapers built the Citadel and everything on it right? Or did you think the Asari built it or something? 

That's actually my reasoning. Why would the Reapers allow organics to access their "destruction-port"?

2 possible reasons I can think of that aren't just giving up trying to figure it out (a.k.a. Space Magic):
1) the Reapers didn't build it. The kid claimed to control the reapers, but I don't think he ever claimed to be one. Perhaps a progenitor of some kind built both the catalyst and the reapers solely for the purpose of solving the "problem." The catalyst portrays itself as the amoral guardian of the galaxy, using the reapers as a solution, and if that solution stops working, why would it not have a failsafe of some sort.

2)The Reapers built it, and they are simply guardians of organic life as they claim to be, destroying parts of it to keep them from creating something that will destroy all of it, or whatever Spacekid was trying to say. As such, they are not out to preserve themselves, but are more interested in solving the problem they claim is there. If that changes, the mechanism is in place to deal with it.

[dreman9999]

justafan wrote...

Capeo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

justafan wrote...

Well considering in ME2 two we see ME field covering the holes in the Normandy while allowing a breathable atmosphere I guess the citadel could do that too. As for Shep landing on Earth alive? I guess Red space magic kills Grim Reapers as well...

Take some time to reamaber the end of ME1 before you meet Seran....You'll find a hole in your theory.

No, they won't because Shepard is never outside of the Citadel in the end.  Ever.  They are in a chamber, likely under the tower.

Shepard is still on the Citadel, but the Catalyst encounter definitely takes place "outside" as there is no obvious enclosure separating Shepard from the vacuum of space.  The Catalyst chamber still could be rigged to produce a field that allow people to breath as it seems to be there so organics can reach it.  The areas you traverse in ME1's ending were never meant to have people walking on them so noone would bother putting up a breathable atmosphere there.   Also I fully admit I am grasping at straws with the ME field, I'm just trying to make what little sense I can of the endings.

This will help you make sense out of the ending.  

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...




Shepherd is in space.

I spent 30 minutes looking around.

There is nothing that indicates there is any kind of bubble that will keep the atmosphere.

More importantly, there is nothing there that indicates that they are in space. The facts that they are walking around, talking, breathing and not generally dying to the effects of vacuum exposure pretty much support they are not in exposed space.

Go to THE END OF me3....Look up....Your in space. Heck, it's the joining area of the crucible.. which only would be in space.

I am looking outside right now... yet I am not outside.

They can see into space. It doesn't mean they are exposed to space....

[The Angry One]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

...once again you're trying to make logic out of a magic space machine that can overload all of the mass relays without destroying the systems they're in. I still see my idea as feasible. You can break every law of the game with a magic space machine but you can't miraculously come back to life after a fall you miraculously came back to life from to begin with? Honestly I guess everyones ending preference comes to this.

is it "A reaper did it" or "A crucible did it" because one is responsible and i'm leaning on the 6 billion year old counter to the reapers. So machine space magic!...still sounds more logical to me than half the indoctrination theory. It's Sci-fi i've seen weirder things happen.

And no one said he survive the fall the theory is he died oh did he die but the combination of synthetics and the cruicible eliminating those synthetics in a strange cosmic way is what revived him. That breath sounded like a "I've been dead but came back" breath to me. 

So basically, space magic.

[Capeo]

The Angry One wrote...

Capeo wrote...

a) Says who?

Says 3 games and common sense, why would you build things out of concrete on a space station?

For the last time Shepard was never on the outside of anything.  WTF are you talking about?  He follows a tunnel and comes out in a chamber that has windows like a million others on the Citadel.  There is absolutely nothing to indicate they are outside.

Good god, pay attention. Shepard is brought to the bottom of the Presidium tower, the connection point between the Crucible and the Citadel.

c&d) And?  I just watched it again.  After the explosion clears everything is still intact. 

An intact burned out husk, that is moving out of control while the wards buckle.
Explain how anyone survives a fireball like that whether the buildings are intact or not.

Bear in mind I'm not defending these endings nor the sense of them.  The simple fact is they didn't bother to make a different Citadel cutscene for the Shep lives ending because they were lazy.  My point is there is nothing to indicate Shep is ever outside of the Citadel.

Watch the scene again, Shep is outside.

Just watched it a second ago.  Again.  There is absolutely nothing that indicates they are outside no matter how many times you say it.  It's a chamber with windows.