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[xXevildeeds19Xx]

my N7 rating is 320ish and for me you got to have at least one of these in order for me not to kick you(silver/gold bronze does not matter ;P)

1.high N7 rating 100 and above - this means experience to me

2.decent level character and decent weapon - your character level is 12+ and as long your not coming in to a game with an avenger lvl 4 we are good to go

So if you dont have one of these, your to much of a risk of me wasting my time on a match that would never be completed

[Berserku]

Pyrceval78 wrote...

If people want an 'optimum team' then build one with folks, and do it as a private team. Having an open team means... its open to anyone (ya know, hence the words 'open team' and all) and you are saying 'Hey you, whatever you are, don't care, lets go shoot some stuff'

QFT
It's an open lobby; they want players to join, why the attitude if those who join want to play the class they want?
Sure they can leave, but getting kicked without a valid argument leaves a lot for interpretation, hence, the Elitist.

Sooner or later we will see some LF "Looking for ...." (N7 rating 500 or better with Infiltrator, Widow X DPS Spec) ala WOW, jeez...

[Shepard VI]

I normally don't refuse people over the 100 barrier. I will kick players that are playing Vanguards and Soldiers though. Keep finding Level 1 Battlefield Soldiers attempt Gold. What a joke.

[Shepard VI]

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

my N7 rating is 320ish and for me you got to have at least one of these in order for me not to kick you(silver/gold bronze does not matter ;P)

1.high N7 rating 100 and above - this means experience to me

2.decent level character and decent weapon - your character level is 12+ and as long your not coming in to a game with an avenger lvl 4 we are good to go

So if you dont have one of these, your to much of a risk of me wasting my time on a match that would never be completed

I beat Gold with my Level 1 Salarian Infiltrator. Granted, I was using the Black Widow, but since I had no upgrades, the cooldown was devastating. Still, the whole level thing is overlookable if you're good enough.

Modifié par IndoctrinatedSpectre, 23 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[Isis 524]

IndoctrinatedSpectre wrote...

I normally don't refuse people over the 100 barrier. I will kick players that are playing Vanguards and Soldiers though. Keep finding Level 1 Battlefield Soldiers attempt Gold. What a joke.

Level 1 gold is a joke, but kicking a level 20 soldier or vanguard isn't usually necessary.

[Trickshavv]

Berserku wrote...

Gankstah wrote...

N7-100+ for gold or gtfo.

Don't like it? Proceed to hold your breath while waiting for me to give a ****.

N7 rating may not mean much but it tells me you've played enough that the odds of you being a derp are lower. Is this ALWAYS the case? No, of course not. But unless I look at your loadout and see a rare or X rated common as well as amps and ammo the odds of a pre 100 rolling in my game is slim to ain't-gonna-****ing-happen.

Players like you are the ones that make the MP unbearable to some. 

As a fellow forumite told me, some players get too competitive (tryhards).

The strange thing is that you make a good point to differentiate players who might be ready to give gold a try as someone who just going there first time or to waste their time.

Either way, your aggressive approach will make a few think twice before playing with you, but as you say, if you don't give a sh*t why should others give one to play with someone like you.

Nothing personal.

[Shinnyshin]

Why are people here using "elitist" like it's a dirty word? I've seen a lot of "you take gaming too seriously" here...  Isn't that really arrogant? Dictating how serious other players should or shouldn't be? Saying that the proper way to have fun of games is with a 38.61 degree or lower serious rating?

You may be really good. But the players you're with don't know that. If your rating is too low, they're clearly getting the memo that they're going to have to carry you. And I'm sorry if this offends your anti-elitist sensibilities, but nobody is obligated to carry you through games if they don't want to.  Would I have taken you along? Probably. IMO, N7 level alone really loses meaning somewhere around 100, a little bit lower. That's when it stops really being indicative of anything. That said, max character level is important on gold...I suppose it would depend on my mood.  Is this a run where I HAVE to win in order to really enjoy myself?

Basically, nobody should ever be forced to carry someone else through a game if they don't want to. They clearly didn't take that risk. There's nothing insidious or twisted about that. And if you think about it, it's hardly even "elitist". Just not willing to take any chances, I suppose.

How many times have you heard a N7 level 10 or lower whine at you saying the exact same things on a Gold or Silver run? And would you consider yourself some sort of deviant for kicking them? Yeah, so porfa stop maligning "them damn elitists". Their position makes sense.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 23 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[Berserku]

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

my N7 rating is 320ish and for me you got to have at least one of these in order for me not to kick you(silver/gold bronze does not matter ;P)

1.high N7 rating 100 and above - this means experience to me

2.decent level character and decent weapon - your character level is 12+ and as long your not coming in to a game with an avenger lvl 4 we are good to go

So if you dont have one of these, your to much of a risk of me wasting my time on a match that would never be completed

So according to this you overlook power users?
Engineers, Adepts, Sentinels, hell, even to certain degree Vanguards can be played using only powers.

Those are easier to play because they aren't that much weapon dependant.
If someone only want to play one of those, ignoring the other classes and the N7 rating stays on 20, guess those player won't get much action on public games i guess? 

[xXevildeeds19Xx]

IndoctrinatedSpectre wrote...

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

my N7 rating is 320ish and for me you got to have at least one of these in order for me not to kick you(silver/gold bronze does not matter ;P)

1.high N7 rating 100 and above - this means experience to me

2.decent level character and decent weapon - your character level is 12+ and as long your not coming in to a game with an avenger lvl 4 we are good to go

So if you dont have one of these, your to much of a risk of me wasting my time on a match that would never be completed

I beat Gold with my Level 1 Salarian Infiltrator. Granted, I was using the Black Widow, but since I had no upgrades, the cooldown was devastating. Still, the whole level thing is overlookable if you're good enough.

Im pretty sure you had pretty good squad mates to help you out, but I can see how you have held your own on gold( invisibility for the the extra damage for your sniper and than invisibility for when things got a little to hot) but sorry to say if you weren't a 200+ N7 rating I probably would have kick you thinking that I would have to carry you because you were LEVEL 1 - to risky

[Trickshavv]

Berserku wrote...

Gankstah wrote...

N7-100+ for gold or gtfo.

Don't like it? Proceed to hold your breath while waiting for me to give a ****.

N7 rating may not mean much but it tells me you've played enough that the odds of you being a derp are lower. Is this ALWAYS the case? No, of course not. But unless I look at your loadout and see a rare or X rated common as well as amps and ammo the odds of a pre 100 rolling in my game is slim to ain't-gonna-****ing-happen.

Players like you are the ones that make the MP unbearable to some. 

As a fellow forumite told me, some players get too competitive (tryhards).

The strange thing is that you make a good point to differentiate players who might be ready to give gold a try as someone who just going there first time or to waste their time.

Either way, your aggressive approach will make a few think twice before playing with you, but as you say, if you don't give a sh*t why should others give one to play with someone like you.

Nothing personal.

I lol'd

It has nothing to do with competition and everything to do with time. The difference between a successful 30 min run that was fun and, more importantly, PRODUCTIVE and a 20 min run of agonizing failure is *vast*. There are far too many teary-eyed butt hurts running around on the forums with this sense of entitlement that I *HAVE* to give them the benefit of the doubt. That I'm somehow obligated to sacrifice my enjoyment for their sake. And on top of that I have to eat that **** sandwich, smile and ask for more.

I don't ****ing think so.

As another forumites put it the difference is simple. 15 seconds for you to find another match vs. 30 minutes of me trying to pull mine and someone else's weight in a difficulty level they have no business rolling in. If you gotta mic and can explain, awesome let's game. But ig you're gonna sit there mutely and expect me to roll with the *possibility* that this N7 20 adept sporting a BW knows what he's doing... well let's just say I'm not a gambling man.

Sorry for the double post, this forum doesn't like my cell phone.

[Isis 524]

Shinnyshin wrote...


How many times have you heard a N7 level 10 or lower whine at you saying the exact same things on a Gold or Silver run? And would you consider yourself some sort of deviant for kicking them? Yeah, so porfa stop maligning "them damn elitists". Their position makes sense.

Except N7 10 or lower means no maxed out character. That's a pretty valid reason for not taking someone into gold. The complaint is that people with maxed out characters and good weapons are getting booted purely because of numerical rank.

[Shepard VI]

Isis 524 wrote...

IndoctrinatedSpectre wrote...

I normally don't refuse people over the 100 barrier. I will kick players that are playing Vanguards and Soldiers though. Keep finding Level 1 Battlefield Soldiers attempt Gold. What a joke.

Level 1 gold is a joke, but kicking a level 20 soldier or vanguard isn't usually necessary.

Vanguards will 97% of the time die across the map, and the whole team will die trying to revive him, or run to his position only to be destroyed by a swarm of Geth/Cerberus/Reapers. Soldier, they're the most useless class in multiplayer. (Not counting the Krogan.) They should stick to Bronze or Silver where their talents are not wasted.

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

IndoctrinatedSpectre wrote...

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

my
N7 rating is 320ish and for me you got to have at least one of these in
order for me not to kick you(silver/gold bronze does not matter ;P)

1.high N7 rating 100 and above - this means experience to me

2.decent
level character and decent weapon - your character level is 12+ and as
long your not coming in to a game with an avenger lvl 4 we are good to
go

So if you dont have one of these, your to much of a risk of me wasting my time on a match that would never be completed

I beat Gold with my Level 1 Salarian Infiltrator. Granted, I was using the Black Widow, but since I had no upgrades, the cooldown was devastating. Still, the whole level thing is overlookable if you're good enough.

Im pretty sure you had pretty good squad mates to help you out, but I can see how you have held your own on gold( invisibility for the the extra damage for your sniper and than invisibility for when things got a little to hot) but sorry to say if you weren't a 200+ N7 rating I probably would have kick you thinking that I would have to carry you because you were LEVEL 1 - to risky

Understandable. Yet I was second in the leaderboard. I can hold my own weight and even
carry the others if need be. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it for people that don't deserve it.

Modifié par IndoctrinatedSpectre, 23 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[SuperADJ]

I'm currently around level 75 and have yet to be kicked. On Gold runs I make sure I'm fully equipped thought, I put every bonus I possibly can on. I've only tried it with the Sentinel class as it's the only one I have at level 20. Played as Human, Turian and Krogan, with wildly different weapons and haven't had a problem.

Whilst I can understand where some of the more, er, demanding players are coming from, if you are so set on playing with people you KNOW are going to deliver just play with your friends. Since you're all N7 999999 I'm sure you've built up enormous friend lists from your previous Gold runs.

Or, if not, perhaps you should manage your expectations and not pretend it's "your" game!

[xXevildeeds19Xx]

Berserku wrote...

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

my N7 rating is 320ish and for me you got to have at least one of these in order for me not to kick you(silver/gold bronze does not matter ;P)

1.high N7 rating 100 and above - this means experience to me

2.decent level character and decent weapon - your character level is 12+ and as long your not coming in to a game with an avenger lvl 4 we are good to go

So if you dont have one of these, your to much of a risk of me wasting my time on a match that would never be completed

So according to this you overlook power users?
Engineers, Adepts, Sentinels, hell, even to certain degree Vanguards can be played using only powers.

Those are easier to play because they aren't that much weapon dependant.
If someone only want to play one of those, ignoring the other classes and the N7 rating stays on 20, guess those player won't get much action on public games i guess? 

I knew I was forgetting something when i wrote that, if their 14+ on their character levels than they can stay as there biotics and or tech abilities could have rapid cooldowns and super strong biotic explosions(I like to use a Drell Adept) But they got to be at least an N7 70+ for me  or I wouldn't know if they would be using their character correctly 

[Shinnyshin]

SuperADJ wrote...
Or, if not, perhaps you should manage your expectations and not pretend it's "your" game!

Errr...but it is "their game".  If you join into it and there's a group established (including the leader) with a very clear idea of how this run is going to proceed.  It's their turf.  And their game.  And their expectations.  Which might not be expectations you or I would have, but are perfectly reasonable nonetheless.

Okay, let's take a club sport.  Tennis?  Soccer?  Something like that.  If your club has beginner, intermediate, and advanced nights...should you feel free to show up anywhere you want?  Having a player out of their element can make things significantly less fun for everyone involved.  So when the relative beginner who tried out for their high school varsity team shows up at the advanced session, where you've got the former state champion and a much higher level of play...well that new guy is going to make all matches involving him lopsided and significantly less fun/productive.

Whether or not you're that guy is debatable.  But if other people think you are, they certainly can't be faulted for not wanting you at their session.

I also leave (or kick if the rest of the group is solid) people who join in and sound extremely obnoxious on their mic.  Some kid who popped in recently opened with this...jarringly obnoxious tone and was making racial slurs.  Clearly, my next 30 minutes would be MUCH less fun with him in the game.  So I kicked him.  Would you fault me for that?  It's discriminating for the same purpose from a different set of criteria.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 23 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[Rav950]

I think that getting kicked off a match with other players that don't want to play with you is better than getting into that match and having them talk **** at you.

The most fun I've had in multiplayer is when I've gotten stuck solo or with one other player, by player migration and not by design (ie. not packing a Quarian Infiltrator on solo vs Geth). When its just your wits and reflexes keeping you alive and not a full squad, the game gets a lot more entertaining. I find that my game gets tighter when I have fewer teammates to worry about rezzing, and less backup to pick my corpse up off the floor.

[Isis 524]

IndoctrinatedSpectre wrote...

Vanguards will 97% of the time die across the map, and the whole team will die trying to revive him, or run to his position only to be destroyed by a swarm of Geth/Cerberus/Reapers. Soldier, they're the most useless class in multiplayer. (Not counting the Krogan.) They should stick to Bronze or Silver where their talents are not wasted.

Interesting. My vanguard has never been kicked from a gold match, but then again, I'm not a suicidal maniac. Lobby players don't know that though,and they never seem to have a problem.

My engineer is the one who gets kicked.

[Father Alvito]

Distilled Poison wrote...

No, you're saying "I'm down a player and recruiting."

Not everyone makes the cut. Does a business with "Now Hiring" posted out front have to hire everyone who hands in a resumé?

Which is a good model for thinking about the problem.  Bioware/EA has given us no ability whatsoever to manage who we play with outside of the friends list.  So if you have three friends and need a fourth because everyone's list is dry, you have to set it on Open and kick-cycle until you get something that works for your team.  This means you're effectively taking applications, and there's no reason to presume that every group is obligated to accept them all.

The "elitism" complainers are basically insisting that everyone play their way - no criteria or very loose criteria on who players accept into a team.  But there's no basis for presuming that this is how everyone prefers to play.  Some people would prefer to spend their time playing and failing; others would prefer to spend time in the lobby assembling a team they feel has a relatively high chance of success.  Neither set of preferences is 'right', and it's somewhere between silly and juvenile to insist that all other players accept your personal preferences on this issue.

There's no doubt that some players take this to extremes, just as some employers hire using terrible criteria.  The players the OP singles out are, in my mind, using poor judgment.  I see a player with the OP's attributes and see a lot of positive things:

- Acceptable class/weapon combo for Gold; Turian Sentinel is a solid DPS class and the Phalanx is a quality damage weapon on a caster
- Player has obviously been buying the right packs (Veteran) to level up the preferred weapon, given N7 level
- High level but non-max; you don't get a high N7 level by exclusively playing level 20s in Gold
- Reasonable N7 level; once you get over about 100 N7 ceases to correlate closely with skill

In short, I think that the OP is better off for having been kicked from a group that doesn't understand the mechanics all that well.  But I also think that those three guys fully had the right to kick the OP.

[Distilled Poison]

@Shinnyshin

Your posts are proof that carefully worded and logical unbiased points can and will be ignored. That or they call you an elitist and move on.

[Berserku]

Father Alvito wrote...

Which is a good model for thinking about the problem.  Bioware/EA has given us no ability whatsoever to manage who we play with outside of the friends list.  So if you have three friends and need a fourth because everyone's list is dry, you have to set it on Open and kick-cycle until you get something that works for your team.  This means you're effectively taking applications, and there's no reason to presume that every group is obligated to accept them all.

The "elitism" complainers are basically insisting that everyone play their way - no criteria or very loose criteria on who players accept into a team.  But there's no basis for presuming that this is how everyone prefers to play.  Some people would prefer to spend their time playing and failing; others would prefer to spend time in the lobby assembling a team they feel has a relatively high chance of success.  Neither set of preferences is 'right', and it's somewhere between silly and juvenile to insist that all other players accept your personal preferences on this issue.

There's no doubt that some players take this to extremes, just as some employers hire using terrible criteria.  The players the OP singles out are, in my mind, using poor judgment.  I see a player with the OP's attributes and see a lot of positive things:

- Acceptable class/weapon combo for Gold; Turian Sentinel is a solid DPS class and the Phalanx is a quality damage weapon on a caster
- Player has obviously been buying the right packs (Veteran) to level up the preferred weapon, given N7 level
- High level but non-max; you don't get a high N7 level by exclusively playing level 20s in Gold
- Reasonable N7 level; once you get over about 100 N7 ceases to correlate closely with skill

In short, I think that the OP is better off for having been kicked from a group that doesn't understand the mechanics all that well.  But I also think that those three guys fully had the right to kick the OP.

Everyone can have different views on the game and how they play it, no complains there.

Thing was that the reason they gave me was non-valid to me or at least i though "wow this guys are closed minded".
As many here have already mentioned, they created the lobby, they determine who to play with so in the end it all seems like a big "Deal With It" to me, that's why i wanted to change opinions. 

[Eckswhyzed]

Father Alvito wrote...
...I see a player with the OP's attributes and see a lot of positive things:

- Acceptable class/weapon combo for Gold; Turian Sentinel is a solid DPS class and the Phalanx is a quality damage weapon on a caster
- Player has obviously been buying the right packs (Veteran) to level up the preferred weapon, given N7 level
- High level but non-max; you don't get a high N7 level by exclusively playing level 20s in Gold
- Reasonable N7 level; once you get over about 100 N7 ceases to correlate closely with skill

In short, I think that the OP is better off for having been kicked from a group that doesn't understand the mechanics all that well.  But I also think that those three guys fully had the right to kick the OP.

LISTEN TO THIS WISE PERSON.

To me, an extremely high N7 Rank just means you promote a lot. I have a friend who is N7 rank >200 but had not played a single round of gold until yesterday (he ended up doing fine). That lack of experience on anyone else could have been very frustrating.

And one other thing - If I vote kick, I always try to explain why in a POLITE TONE. A little courtesy goes a long way.

[Shinnyshin]

Berserku wrote...
Everyone can have different views on the game and how they play it, no complains there.

Thing was that the reason they gave me was non-valid to me or at least i though "wow this guys are closed minded".
As many here have already mentioned, they created the lobby, they determine who to play with so in the end it all seems like a big "Deal With It" to me, that's why i wanted to change opinions. 

Ahhh, you're disagreeing with their criteria.  THAT is something I can agree with a little bit more.  Their selection mechanism seemed imperfect.  Can still see why they did it, buuut...

This thread--and particular your posts in it--has read more like a "damn tryhards, how dare they kick people who aren't as serious as they are, I have a right to be in that game."  That's without a doubt the tone things have taken.  And that is a point that I, and many others, obviously can't agree with.  If you're arguing about the particulars of their cutoffs, that's a lot more reasonable than arguing that the entire mentality behind cutoffs is wrong and unjust.

Glad you clarified and revised your premise.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 23 mars 2012 - 10:40 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

I feel ya OP. made a thread about this a day ago. Got flamed by the elitists because apparently despite them saying they're kicking because of the n7 rank , that might not be the reason. It might be because they don't like your race, class, weapon, or any combination of the three. Funny thing is the people with the high n7 ratings are generally the people who need a revive most of the time cause theyre running around like Rambo.


- Polite

[PimpingPanda]

stribies wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

okita_luc wrote...

I have N7 530 more or less and this sucks, simply I can't understand this attitude. When i see people like that trying to kick without a good reason , I leave the lobby , I don't want to play with them ...

How does it affect SP? Dont you like win by default?

My n7 isn't that high, but it's close to 500 now. But honestly, it's taken a long time to get this high. I wish I even knew what single player was like. I actually bought this game without knowing anything about multiplayer, it just happened to be so fun and addictive to the point where I never gave single player a chance.

same here

[TenmaTaro]

Are douches exclusive to gold? I haven't ran into any difficult ppl on silver/bronze (I only play gold w/ ppl on my friend's list).