If the dream state indoctrination theory is true then that means the battle and war is still going on while Shepard is knocked out and doing this.
So according to this theory the last 10 minutes of ME3 was a dream sequence and we don't even know who won the war or how the game ends.
Fans having to create a theory just to make any rational explanation of the last 10 min of ME3 shows how much it didn't make any sense in so many ways that we just have to chock it up to it all being a dream.
Reasons why Indoctrination theory is terrible
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, mars 23 2012 04:37
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#302
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 01:01
Drake_1000
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You should read the codex part for indoctrination OP.
Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable, Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 01:18
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Here's another thing to think about everyone: If this star child/catalyst was there the whole time (and not just slapped in at the very last moment) and he controls the Reapers like he claims he does then why didn't he fix the signals that were supposed to make the Keepers open the Citadel Relay that would allow the Reapers to come through easily and wipe out all command like they did with the Protheans and the civilizations before them???
He seems hell bent on efficiency so its just one more thing that doesn't make sense about the last 10 min of an incredibly epic trilogy.
He seems hell bent on efficiency so its just one more thing that doesn't make sense about the last 10 min of an incredibly epic trilogy.
#305
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 10:38
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Pretty much everything in the OP is assuming that Shepard is already indoctrinated throughout Mass Effect 3. That's not what the IT is saying at all. From the moment Shepard is hit by the beam, the Reapers are attempting to fully indoctrinate him. He is not Indoctrinated before that point. So Javik, the AI, etc. not detecting that he is indoctrinated makes sense... because he's not... yet.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 10:42
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I agree with you.
I think by now we have enough hints from Bioware itself that the end was not intended to be a indoctrination hallucination or whatever.
It would have been an very interesting idea with Shepard resisting indoctrination and waking up and continuing the battle but I doubt they would have let the end open as it is the case in the indoctrination theory.
But I see why people believe in this - with so much plotholes and obviously missing scenes it is the easiest way to explain things. For me the end felt more like a hallucination/dream because of the already mentioned plotholes and it helped me not to feel to bad about the ending what otherwise would have been the case. So I simply could not take it all to seriously.
The question is how Bioware can fix it. I doubt that they are going to make new endings but just add some more cutscenes maybe even without dialog to show things like Normandy shuttle picking up squadmates...
I was hoping for a more epic end with more choices like in ME2 and where you have to give people the right tasks and with more space battle. Like having the crucible weakening the Reapers and to give the fleet a chance to destroy them conventionally, like in ME1 with Sovereign, after his Avatar was destroyed.
If they only add some more scenes to show more clearly how everything is screwed up I don't think I will install the DLC and stick with the end where I can pretend it is a hallucination and think of a better end myself. Stupid I know, but otherwise I don't see where I should take the motivation to play ME3 over and over again with this end.
I think by now we have enough hints from Bioware itself that the end was not intended to be a indoctrination hallucination or whatever.
It would have been an very interesting idea with Shepard resisting indoctrination and waking up and continuing the battle but I doubt they would have let the end open as it is the case in the indoctrination theory.
But I see why people believe in this - with so much plotholes and obviously missing scenes it is the easiest way to explain things. For me the end felt more like a hallucination/dream because of the already mentioned plotholes and it helped me not to feel to bad about the ending what otherwise would have been the case. So I simply could not take it all to seriously.
The question is how Bioware can fix it. I doubt that they are going to make new endings but just add some more cutscenes maybe even without dialog to show things like Normandy shuttle picking up squadmates...
I was hoping for a more epic end with more choices like in ME2 and where you have to give people the right tasks and with more space battle. Like having the crucible weakening the Reapers and to give the fleet a chance to destroy them conventionally, like in ME1 with Sovereign, after his Avatar was destroyed.
If they only add some more scenes to show more clearly how everything is screwed up I don't think I will install the DLC and stick with the end where I can pretend it is a hallucination and think of a better end myself. Stupid I know, but otherwise I don't see where I should take the motivation to play ME3 over and over again with this end.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 03:01
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I point out simple psychology based on the last 10 minutes itself (i.e. don't even focus on the 'clues' because not everyone will have noticed them and people fit stuff to suit their theories) why I.T. could be true
I also talk about how ending DLC would make that last choice matter (re. succumbing to or overcoming indoctrination)
I also talk about the real world aspect E.A. lose nothing if speculation continues
The app about in game mechanic meaning the sequence (i.e. not the idea) of being indoctrinated was scrapped due to problems with the player controlling Shepard and being controlled by the reapers etc as well. Why would they scrap an idea that seemed to appeal to them a lot (even having a Shepard Reaper) based purely on game mechanic (i.e. it's important to the story not the actual mechanics) that doesn't dismiss I.T. at all. All of their tweets etc are deliberately cryptic until the official reveal (i'm guessing Pax) of the endings
http://social.biowar...23/875#10601621
I also talk about how ending DLC would make that last choice matter (re. succumbing to or overcoming indoctrination)
I also talk about the real world aspect E.A. lose nothing if speculation continues
The app about in game mechanic meaning the sequence (i.e. not the idea) of being indoctrinated was scrapped due to problems with the player controlling Shepard and being controlled by the reapers etc as well. Why would they scrap an idea that seemed to appeal to them a lot (even having a Shepard Reaper) based purely on game mechanic (i.e. it's important to the story not the actual mechanics) that doesn't dismiss I.T. at all. All of their tweets etc are deliberately cryptic until the official reveal (i'm guessing Pax) of the endings
http://social.biowar...23/875#10601621
