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[AllThatJazz]

I think if the new/revised/additional ending was bad, then people would realise that maybe Bio isn't up to writing decent endings anymore ;p. I certainly don't think there would be a second campaign of this magnitude. Also, it's quite a stretch to think that an alt-ending could be received worse than the current one.

Also, 'dangerous precedent'? I keep hearing this. How is this the case? Books (eg Great Expectations, the Sherlock Holmes novels), movies (The Shining) and games (Prince of Persia, Fallout 3) have all undergone revisions in the past in order to make fans or critics happier. Last I checked, many of these were still considered 'classics' of their type.

Whether Bio ultimately does anything about it or not, dissatisfied consumers are acting within their rights to make their voices heard, and are largely doing so (in this case) in a civil and very much not whiney manner. Good luck to them, but you know what? If you can get 4000 people to 'like' your facebook page, good luck to you too

[Siven80]

I just want it to make sense, explain what actually happens and understand how my teamates who are all on Earth suddenly get on the Normandy.

[Ji99saw]

SimonM72 wrote...

So make it optional then. Indocrination theory offers that.
If players are not willing to accept Indoc.theory... fine!, stick with your nihilistic ending, nobodys forcing you to buy game-end-changing DLC.

But even so you run into the problem of which is the true ending because they both can't be what actully happend. I agree entirely with the op, if they change the ending I will lose respect for bioware for caving into  threats and demands from people who had nothing to do with the creative process

[farlander28]

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

O RLY? So YOU invested untold millions of dollars, and almost 8 years of development time in creating it?

No, I didn't think so. When you manage to do that, you can officially call it yours. Until then, the discs you paid for are yours, and nothing more. Spoiled brat.

[Darth Malice113]

farlander28 wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

O RLY? So YOU invested untold millions of dollars, and almost 8 years of development time in creating it?

No, I didn't think so. When you manage to do that, you can officially call it yours. Until then, the discs you paid for are yours, and nothing more. Spoiled brat.

Name calling. classy.

[farlander28]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Name calling. classy.

Less concerned with class and more concerned with telling it like it is.

Feel free to think you're better than me, though. I hear some people need that to boost their confidence.

[Darth Malice113]

farlander28 wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Name calling. classy.

Less concerned with class and more concerned with telling it like it is.

Feel free to think you're better than me, though. I hear some people need that to boost their confidence.

It's not the case of "thinking" that I'm better than you.

Your response clearly makes the case that I am.

[Vaktathi]

farlander28 wrote...
Less concerned with class and more concerned with telling it like it is.

A remarkably poor defense of the indefensible.

[nupfi]

Just don't get any of the DLCs then? /thread

[SimonM72]

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.
Its also my time, five years of my invested time and story choices.  Seeing as though time is more precious than money and I not having that much free time, I certainly I do not look kindly on it being wasted, especially for when its something I have been promised since before the game launched and it does not make it into the final product.

Modifié par SimonM72, 23 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[Arkitekt]

Vaktathi wrote...

farlander28 wrote...
Less concerned with class and more concerned with telling it like it is.

A remarkably poor defense of the indefensible.

So you go ahead and defend that the story told by Mass Effect is "yours", not BioWare's with a straight face.

I won't be having no pissing on my ears and being told it's raining though. Up your game, show what you got.

[cuzsal]

dont download the dlc

that way your ending wont chance

i on other hand will download dlc that changes my ending

[Arkitekt]

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.

Either you are pulling a poetic theatrical shenanigan on me, or else you have to go to the dictionary to see what the word "our" means. Next you go see who owns ME's IP. That's right, nowhere in there you'll find "SimonM72".

[Banelash]

FutureShocked wrote...

The game sold 3.5 million copies and i dont see 3.5 million people
complaining. i also dont see 3.5 million people donating to the cause.

Seriously?! Please actually like go read and get some form of education.

1) 3.5 million shipped <- note SHIPPED, not SOLD.
2) 90-9-1. go google it.
3) Voting system, go google it.

/facepalm. And he still have the cheek to say we are ignorant.


Oh and Moderator, I think you need to End of Line this. It has no discussion based on actual gameplay or story. Its just a flamebait.

Modifié par Banelash, 23 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Talon2000uk]

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...
said the man who does not even have a game registered...

I too seem not to have a game registered but I have all the same games you have registered. My problem comes with being on the PS3 and the constent circule of trying to get EA help to link the things together, I think I've spent more time on that than I have playing me3 these past 2 weeks. <_<

But  he does bring up a point, what happens when this new 'ending' comes out and people don't like that? then what? all this all over again?

You don't change the Ending. You add endings plural. I simply dont get why the pro curent ending people dont get this. Most of us here don't want to take away the ending you liked, we want them to add endings we will like. That's why the indorination theory is bad, it negates the curent ending that some people actualy liked, for the life of me I can't think why they liked it but thats not the point, they did. Its not fare to remove that from them, it would put them in the position we are in now and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. 

[SimonM72]

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.

Either you are pulling a poetic theatrical shenanigan on me, or else you have to go to the dictionary to see what the word "our" means. Next you go see who owns ME's IP. That's right, nowhere in there you'll find "SimonM72".

Mike Gamble (associate producer) wrote...
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Also, In response to an interviewer saying; "“So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Casey Hudson wrote...
“Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Arkitekt, You sitting right there -thats you pwned. The doors that way.
*points*

[TGraptor]

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

[Greenhelm]

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

[OriginalTibs]

It is actually a question whose story a tale can be. Certainly you have to admit the storyteller owns the story, assuming it is original. However those participating in the story also have a claim, inasmuch as:

• Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and
  
• A falling tree makes no noise unless it is heard

If you write a poem though it is the most wonderful of poems, if nobody reads or hears it read, it is as if no poem at all.

Modifié par OriginalTibs, 23 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[jinxter69]

I don't think that most of us, are asking for the endings to change...we just want ending that artistically and thematically follow the 98% of the game that preceded it. Currently, as it stands, the ending (yes, there are variations, but the endings are the same...), does not logically follow the series. The character of Shepard after Harbinger's blast is but a shadow of what everyone had been playing. This Shepard gave up with hardly any effort...this was so jarring, and so out of character, that this is the main reason so many are posting for some change. I would hazard a guess and state that most of us, who are holding the line, are people that are normally lurkers. I joined this site in 09, and made all of 3 posts until now. I care for this series and just cannot believe that they are hiding behind 'artistic integrity' when they already broke that by giving us those last 10 minutes. How does a company, one that created a masterpiece for 98% of the game, allow an ending that invalidates ALL that came before?

Here is another thing for you to consider.
Several polls have been offered by various sites, and the majority in each case is for change...the Majority do NOT like the endings.

Lastly, Amazon and even Origin are now accepting full refunds for opened games.
Gamestop is also accepting full refunds until April. Gamestop is even offering the game new for $39.99. How often does a game from a series that is universally loved, get discounted 3 weeks from release?
When as this EVER occured? Stores never took refunds on open game software, but Mass Effect 3 is changing that...why?

We just want endings that make sense, then can keep the ones they have currently, just give the player more complexity and more choice. Go replay ME2 again and see how your choices within that game affects your endings. Currently the endings in ME3 happen exactly the same regardless of any of the choices you made throughout the series. This is NOT was sold to us prior to the game's release. If you want to see the promises that were made and NOT met, there are multiple threads around the web available for your perusal. Go educate thyself and try not to insult us by alluding that we are ignorant.

Modifié par jinxter69, 23 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[TGraptor]

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

Typical BSN responce, i find it funny and super uneffective. Reading the drama about art that players want changed makes me want to get a group together, and force the mona lisa to be changed to Wrex! WHO'S WITH ME!?

[Alexraptor1]

Ji99saw wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

So make it optional then. Indocrination theory offers that.
If players are not willing to accept Indoc.theory... fine!, stick with your nihilistic ending, nobodys forcing you to buy game-end-changing DLC.

But even so you run into the problem of which is the true ending because they both can't be what actully happend. I agree entirely with the op, if they change the ending I will lose respect for bioware for caving into  threats and demands from people who had nothing to do with the creative process

There is absolutely nothing creative whatsoever with a Deus Ex Machina.

[Farbautisonn]

FutureShocked wrote... Now that Bioware has given in the ignorant among us will feel they can have their way all the time.

Stopped reading there. Rest of post invalid.

[d.nichols]

Okay, it shipped 3.5 million copies, most of whom aren't finished or aren't speaking up at all. Let's say 100,000 people are ****ing, that doesn't mean those are the only people who hated the endings. I personally don't care if they change the endings. I won't buy it and I'll just choose to believe Indoctrination Theory. But throwing around words like "entitled" and "spoiled brats" isn't going to gain you any credibility. And I'll tell you why it doesn't. Because people paid anywhere from 60 to 200 dollars for this. In the free market, you're entitled to be entitled, because products rise and fail by your decisions. If they're going to sell a new Ending DLC, then the only thing that remains is for people to buy it. If you don't like it, or the "3.4 million" other people don't like it (although based on evidence, people who disliked the ending are the majority) then don't buy it/download it. YOU are a spoiled little chach, because you don't want a product to be released so that the market can conform to what YOU want. Hypocrite. Goddamn!

Modifié par d.nichols, 23 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[SimonM72]

Fundamentally unable to distinguish the difference between owning the Intellectual property and the result of years of input and collaboration, creative writing and suggestions that Mass Effect forumites have had on the trilogy through the Devs. I can only refer you back to Casey's previous statement.