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[Fuzrum77]

Actually I agree with OP, somewhat. Don't change: add choices at the end. That way no current ending that anyone is satisfied with is invalidated. I just don't see how this isn't a win-win for both "camps."

[Greenhelm]

TGraptor wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

Typical BSN responce, i find it funny and super uneffective. Reading the drama about art that players want changed makes me want to get a group together, and force the mona lisa to be changed to Wrex! WHO'S WITH ME!?

So you can be a jerk to others but someone can't be a jerk to you? Double standards much?

[Sinnerous]

 Don't buy the DLC, problem solved. Go away

[Texhnolyze101]

FutureShocked wrote...

What if they change the ending, and it appeals to some people and not others? Will we be forever in a loop of the ending of the game being changed to until everyone is happy? Now that Bioware has given in the ignorant among us will feel they can have their way all the time. The game sold 3.5 million copies and i dont see 3.5 million people complaining. i also dont see 3.5 million people donating to the cause. .1% of the people who bought the game were passionate enough about it to actually donate. the rest are just on the bandwagon in hopes that next time they dont like a way a developer does things they can change things 'because Bioware did it'

Price of a game too high? why not complain to companies to lower it to $30. hell why stop there, why not whine and complain and lobby to make all games free. Didnt like how badly Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City sucked? maybe with enough complaining and lobbying to Slant Six and Capcom will get them to redo the entire game just to tickle our fancy.

Why stop at games? We are so entitled to have our way all the time like spoiled little brats why not take some attention to the movie scene and change the endings to every movie that didn't live up to expectations as well. 

I have created a Facebook Page called Preserve Mass Effect. Join it or like it if you share my feelings. Just over 4000 people showed their support for changing the ending. and if they get their way it will set a dangerous precedent for the future of games. we need to show them that alot more of us appreciate and respect Bioware/EA's decicion on how they chose to end THEIR story. 

This another account of yours casey?

[cuzsal]

Sinnerous wrote...

 Don't buy the DLC, problem solved. Go away

[Arkitekt]

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.

Either you are pulling a poetic theatrical shenanigan on me, or else you have to go to the dictionary to see what the word "our" means. Next you go see who owns ME's IP. That's right, nowhere in there you'll find "SimonM72".

Mike Gamble (associate producer) wrote...
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Also, In response to an interviewer saying; "“So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Casey Hudson wrote...
“Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Arkitekt, You sitting right there -thats you pwned. The doors that way.
*points*

Jesus F Christ. You don't GET it. Ultimately it's their IP, not yours. You worked for Bioware if you ever gave them feedback and at best they paid you by giving certain things that were fan service. The fact that they acknowledged the big influence of their fan base on their work does not give you the right to call Mass Effect "yours". TOPS, it gives you the right to say to BioWare "FRAKKIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAN SERVICE".

Get it? And what's that sh*t with the door pointing? I see no doors here. Clearly you don't understand how the internet works ar ar ar.

[d.nichols]

TGraptor wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

Typical BSN responce, i find it funny and super uneffective. Reading the drama about art that players want changed makes me want to get a group together, and force the mona lisa to be changed to Wrex! WHO'S WITH ME!?

Okay this **** has to stop. Video games will never be the Mona Lisa. I don't see how someone could compare painting to Video games. Cinema and video games okay. Maayybe Literature. There isn't a "twist-ending" at the end of the Mona Lisa. Video games are not only art. They are a product, and as such are subjected to consumer review. If they were on the same level as the Mona Lisa or the Statue of David, then only one copy would ever be sold, and everyone else could observe it for free.

I don't like the ending getting changed either. Do you see me being a whiney **** about it? Shut up! Just don't download the DLC. Other people want it and will pay for it, so what right do you have to protect the "artists" at EA. It's silly how you seem to think business doesn't play into this in the least.

[TGraptor]

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

Typical BSN responce, i find it funny and super uneffective. Reading the drama about art that players want changed makes me want to get a group together, and force the mona lisa to be changed to Wrex! WHO'S WITH ME!?

So you can be a jerk to others but someone can't be a jerk to you? Double standards much?

who said i was being a jerk? by facepalming? lol welcome to the internet where a facepalm can happen just by clicking a mouse. I thought you where being funny with what i said, but now since you admit to being a jerk, good on you. I dont take internet words to heart thats for sure.





but i was serious on the mona lisa to wrex thing... just sayin

[SamT3N7]

@101ezylonhxeT

Or maybe someone has a honest opinion opposed to yours? Have to agree that I do not want the ending changed at all. I'm in agreement with the OP on the whole "When does this stop?" argument but other than that it's not that dire.

[TGraptor]

d.nichols wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

Typical BSN responce, i find it funny and super uneffective. Reading the drama about art that players want changed makes me want to get a group together, and force the mona lisa to be changed to Wrex! WHO'S WITH ME!?

Okay this **** has to stop. Video games will never be the Mona Lisa. I don't see how someone could compare painting to Video games. Cinema and video games okay. Maayybe Literature. There isn't a "twist-ending" at the end of the Mona Lisa. Video games are not only art. They are a product, and as such are subjected to consumer review. If they were on the same level as the Mona Lisa or the Statue of David, then only one copy would ever be sold, and everyone else could observe it for free.

I don't like the ending getting changed either. Do you see me being a whiney **** about it? Shut up! Just don't download the DLC. Other people want it and will pay for it, so what right do you have to protect the "artists" at EA. It's silly how you seem to think business doesn't play into this in the least.

holy crap, it was a joke..... calm down lol

But Video games are a form of art.

[sheppard7]

Bioware should see who wants to keep the endings as is and who wants more closure. People who want different, BW gives them a code to download it for free. Everyone who likes it as is, charge them. I bet they will change their tune then about new endings.

[Admoniter]

Sinnerous wrote...

 Don't buy the DLC, problem solved. Go away

Doesn't solve the problem for me or people with similar views I want more exposistion to go along with the endings and would like the see the many logical inconsistancies fixed; but find the endings in and of themselves completely servicable. Where do we fit in your little non-solution oh great one?

[Greenhelm]

TGraptor wrote...

who said i was being a jerk? by facepalming? lol welcome to the internet where a facepalm can happen just by clicking a mouse. I thought you where being funny with what i said, but now since you admit to being a jerk, good on you. I dont take internet words to heart thats for sure.





but i was serious on the mona lisa to wrex thing... just sayin

Well it seemed like you were insulting the people saying "the story is as much ours as it is theirs". But I guess I mis-read it. Also, I will join you with the Mona Lisa to Wrex thing.

[blakelocati]

go back to IGN Colin Moriarty...

Also, you are what is wrong with video games. Why games are getting worse and worse. Companies keep producing lesser quality games, and idiots like you buy them and say that it is okay that the game is a piece of **** even after we were promised an epic game and a finale to the series that would "answer the questions." You are telling developers like this, and the companies that own them (EA, Activision, etc.), that it's okay to dumb down their games and still make massive profit on them without being accountable to their fans and to gaming as a whole. Pretty soon, with attitudes like yours, the gaming industry is going to become dull and lifeless. People will buy games, but they will not be enjoyed, they will not get better, they will continue to become more dull and lifeless. True "gamers" will not even want to play them anymore, and bio*drone (apparently bio*drone is blocked on this site lol) simpletons such as yourself will continue to support their ****ty games and continue to make everything worse. Keep up the good work on destroying the gaming industry pal...

Modifié par blakelocati, 23 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[d.nichols]

TGraptor wrote...

d.nichols wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

Typical BSN responce, i find it funny and super uneffective. Reading the drama about art that players want changed makes me want to get a group together, and force the mona lisa to be changed to Wrex! WHO'S WITH ME!?

Okay this **** has to stop. Video games will never be the Mona Lisa. I don't see how someone could compare painting to Video games. Cinema and video games okay. Maayybe Literature. There isn't a "twist-ending" at the end of the Mona Lisa. Video games are not only art. They are a product, and as such are subjected to consumer review. If they were on the same level as the Mona Lisa or the Statue of David, then only one copy would ever be sold, and everyone else could observe it for free.

I don't like the ending getting changed either. Do you see me being a whiney **** about it? Shut up! Just don't download the DLC. Other people want it and will pay for it, so what right do you have to protect the "artists" at EA. It's silly how you seem to think business doesn't play into this in the least.

holy crap, it was a joke..... calm down lol

But Video games are a form of art.

Yeah, it was hilarious (sarcasm), but your analogy was there and if someone agreed with you, I'm damn sure that you would be on about artistic integrity right now. The point is, is that you and all these other people whining about the changed endings announcement are worse then the people who wanted to get it changed. Not only are you trying to block the studio, you're trying to block other people's enjoyment that will effect yours none-what-so-ever.

And yeah, video games are art, somewhere between movies and board games. They aren't on the same level as the goddamn Mona Lisa so stop trumpeting that as an acceptable simile.

[d.nichols]

Admoniter wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

 Don't buy the DLC, problem solved. Go away

Doesn't solve the problem for me or people with similar views I want more exposistion to go along with the endings and would like the see the many logical inconsistancies fixed; but find the endings in and of themselves completely servicable. Where do we fit in your little non-solution oh great one?

Unforunately, not everyone will be pleased, but they didn't say they were changing the endings just "clarifying", so maybe you'll get what you want after all.

[Silasqtx]

It's a DLC goddamnit don't download it if you like the endings.

[urborg74]

Somehow, I think the people who hated the ending outnumber the people who loved it. I also dare say that Bioware stands to lose more income from not "fixing" the endings than they do from leaving them as they are, so I find all your arguments irrelevant.

[Oldbones2]

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

"At this point, I'd say we're the co-creators, along with the fans."

Casey Hudson.

Is that what you wanted Arkitedkt?

[SimonM72]

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.

Either you are pulling a poetic theatrical shenanigan on me, or else you have to go to the dictionary to see what the word "our" means. Next you go see who owns ME's IP. That's right, nowhere in there you'll find "SimonM72".

Mike Gamble (associate producer) wrote...
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Also, In response to an interviewer saying; "“So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Casey Hudson wrote...
“Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Arkitekt, You sitting right there -thats you pwned. The doors that way.
*points*

Jesus F Christ. You don't GET it. Ultimately it's their IP, not yours. You worked for Bioware if you ever gave them feedback and at best they paid you by giving certain things that were fan service. The fact that they acknowledged the big influence of their fan base on their work does not give you the right to call Mass Effect "yours". TOPS, it gives you the right to say to BioWare "FRAKKIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAN SERVICE".

Get it? And what's that sh*t with the door pointing? I see no doors here. Clearly you don't understand how the internet works ar ar ar.

I'm not calling the IP 'ours', I never did.
Casey Hudson is calling it a collaborative effort between the devs and fans for the content.  Re-read both the Interviewer's question and Casey's answering statement... and if you can, try to dispute it.
He considers that the fans are co-creators.  Fact.  What part of that don't you understand?.

Modifié par SimonM72, 23 mars 2012 - 06:13 .

[Ravenmyste]

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.
Its also my time, five years of my invested time and story choices.  Seeing as though time is more precious than money and I not having that much free time, I certainly I do not look kindly on it being wasted, especially for when its something I have been promised since before the game launched and it does not make it into the final product.

nope its not its their story not yours if was your story then you wouldnt have the 3 endings, that they made for their story right.. right..


so yeha its theirs you only  playing  a story they made  and the outcomes they made.. sorry but its all theirs and not yours..

[TGraptor]

d.nichols wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

d.nichols wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

Typical BSN responce, i find it funny and super uneffective. Reading the drama about art that players want changed makes me want to get a group together, and force the mona lisa to be changed to Wrex! WHO'S WITH ME!?

Okay this **** has to stop. Video games will never be the Mona Lisa. I don't see how someone could compare painting to Video games. Cinema and video games okay. Maayybe Literature. There isn't a "twist-ending" at the end of the Mona Lisa. Video games are not only art. They are a product, and as such are subjected to consumer review. If they were on the same level as the Mona Lisa or the Statue of David, then only one copy would ever be sold, and everyone else could observe it for free.

I don't like the ending getting changed either. Do you see me being a whiney **** about it? Shut up! Just don't download the DLC. Other people want it and will pay for it, so what right do you have to protect the "artists" at EA. It's silly how you seem to think business doesn't play into this in the least.

holy crap, it was a joke..... calm down lol

But Video games are a form of art.

Yeah, it was hilarious (sarcasm), but your analogy was there and if someone agreed with you, I'm damn sure that you would be on about artistic integrity right now. The point is, is that you and all these other people whining about the changed endings announcement are worse then the people who wanted to get it changed. Not only are you trying to block the studio, you're trying to block other people's enjoyment that will effect yours none-what-so-ever.

And yeah, video games are art, somewhere between movies and board games. They aren't on the same level as the goddamn Mona Lisa so stop trumpeting that as an acceptable simile.

No.... but i cant force someone to believe me on the interwebz, id never compare a game to a piece of art like the mona lisa.... but come on..... you know it'd be halarious to see Wrex with that face.... come on..... COME OOOONNNN

[Nepp]

Ravenmyste wrote...

nope its not its their story not yours if was your story then you wouldnt have the 3 endings, that they made for their story right.. right..


so yeha its theirs you only  playing  a story they made  and the outcomes they made.. sorry but its all theirs and not yours..

It's not even three endings. You get three choices of colors, and one ending. The ending is the same NO MATTER WHICH COLOR YOU CHOOSE.

Also you're ignoring what BW wrote in blogs and dev threads on how our choices in the ME series will effect the outcome of the ending, and there wont be any A B C endings. Our choices didn't even factor in the end, and we got an ABC ending contradicting what was said and promised.

It's poor story telling when you plop in a dues ex machina trope ending that makes no sense to the story up to that point.

[SimonM72]

Ravenmyste wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.
Its also my time, five years of my invested time and story choices.  Seeing as though time is more precious than money and I not having that much free time, I certainly I do not look kindly on it being wasted, especially for when its something I have been promised since before the game launched and it does not make it into the final product.

nope its not its their story not yours if was your story then you wouldnt have the 3 endings, that they made for their story right.. right..


so yeha its theirs you only  playing  a story they made  and the outcomes they made.. sorry but its all theirs and not yours..

I get what you're saying, it is illusion of choice.
But if it is done well enough, with as many options as Mass Effect one and two has previously shown, then its about as close as you are going to get in a videogame.