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[d.nichols]

TGraptor wrote...

d.nichols wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

d.nichols wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

*facepalm* people thinking they made mass effect..... uhhhhhg

*facepalm* People thinking that we think we made Mass Effect....

Typical BSN responce, i find it funny and super uneffective. Reading the drama about art that players want changed makes me want to get a group together, and force the mona lisa to be changed to Wrex! WHO'S WITH ME!?

Okay this **** has to stop. Video games will never be the Mona Lisa. I don't see how someone could compare painting to Video games. Cinema and video games okay. Maayybe Literature. There isn't a "twist-ending" at the end of the Mona Lisa. Video games are not only art. They are a product, and as such are subjected to consumer review. If they were on the same level as the Mona Lisa or the Statue of David, then only one copy would ever be sold, and everyone else could observe it for free.

I don't like the ending getting changed either. Do you see me being a whiney **** about it? Shut up! Just don't download the DLC. Other people want it and will pay for it, so what right do you have to protect the "artists" at EA. It's silly how you seem to think business doesn't play into this in the least.

holy crap, it was a joke..... calm down lol

But Video games are a form of art.

Yeah, it was hilarious (sarcasm), but your analogy was there and if someone agreed with you, I'm damn sure that you would be on about artistic integrity right now. The point is, is that you and all these other people whining about the changed endings announcement are worse then the people who wanted to get it changed. Not only are you trying to block the studio, you're trying to block other people's enjoyment that will effect yours none-what-so-ever.

And yeah, video games are art, somewhere between movies and board games. They aren't on the same level as the goddamn Mona Lisa so stop trumpeting that as an acceptable simile.

No.... but i cant force someone to believe me on the interwebz, id never compare a game to a piece of art like the mona lisa.... but come on..... you know it'd be halarious to see Wrex with that face.... come on..... COME OOOONNNN

C'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! Yeah that part would be a nice touch-up for Wrex.

[TGraptor]

urborg74 wrote...

Somehow, I think the people who hated the ending outnumber the people who loved it. I also dare say that Bioware stands to lose more income from not "fixing" the endings than they do from leaving them as they are, so I find all your arguments irrelevant.

where are those accurate facts and numbers? Link?

Yeah... you cant say things like that, people that say they like the ending here on BSN usually get attacked with really harsh things, so they dont really post much. Not saying you are right or wrong, just, show facts and numbers. I want to see all sale counts being voted in =P

[Arkitekt]

SimonM72 wrote...

I'm not calling the IP 'ours', I never did.
Casey Hudson is calling it a collaborative effort between the devs and fans for the content.  Re-read both the Interviewer's question and Casey's answering statement... and if you can, try to dispute it.
He considers that the fans are co-creators.  Fact.  What part of that don't you understand?.

What part of the IP not being yours therefore the story not being yours part you are unable to grasp?

Casey was referring to their fanservicism. I like their fanservicism, but that's *it*.

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

[Impulse and Compulse]

.....I stopped reading when you made the argument that 3.5 million copies shipped, but 3.5 million didn't come here to complain.

*facepalm*

[kbct]

SamT3N7 wrote...

@101ezylonhxeT

Or maybe someone has a honest opinion opposed to yours? Have to agree that I do not want the ending changed at all. I'm in agreement with the OP on the whole "When does this stop?" argument but other than that it's not that dire.

The OP did call people ignorant and then proceeded to be factually wrong about the number of units purchased and the number of people supporting a change to the endings on Facebook.

It's hard to take someone like that seriously.

[Kekkis]

Ravenmyste wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.
Its also my time, five years of my invested time and story choices.  Seeing as though time is more precious than money and I not having that much free time, I certainly I do not look kindly on it being wasted, especially for when its something I have been promised since before the game launched and it does not make it into the final product.

nope its not its their story not yours if was your story then you wouldnt have the 3 endings, that they made for their story right.. right..


so yeha its theirs you only  playing  a story they made  and the outcomes they made.. sorry but its all theirs and not yours..

But they want my money when they start to spam out single player DLCs. They don´t need to change current endings, but if this is all we get I´m not going to spend any real world money to this "piece of art".

[Vaktathi]

Arkitekt wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

farlander28 wrote...
Less concerned with class and more concerned with telling it like it is.

A remarkably poor defense of the indefensible.

So you go ahead and defend that the story told by Mass Effect is "yours", not BioWare's with a straight face.

I won't be having no pissing on my ears and being told it's raining though. Up your game, show what you got.

Not what I ws referring to, I was talking about the name calling/smug superiority thing.

That said, Bioware themselves have said the players and fans are co-creators, with the intent that the player take an active role in crafting the story. And that's a huge part of the issue here, the ending basically takes that entire concept they'd been nurturing since the start of ME1, and tosses it out the window in the last 5 minutes of ME3 for no good reason, on top of the ending making no sense/tearing open tons of plotholes/having basically no variation/etc.

Yeah, legally it's their IP, but it was advertised and sold to us, and we paid money for it and played it, under this core concept, which the ending just tossed out the window.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 23 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[SimonM72]

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

I'm not calling the IP 'ours', I never did.
Casey Hudson is calling it a collaborative effort between the devs and fans for the content.  Re-read both the Interviewer's question and Casey's answering statement... and if you can, try to dispute it.
He considers that the fans are co-creators.  Fact.  What part of that don't you understand?.

What part of the IP not being yours therefore the story not being yours part you are unable to grasp?

Casey was referring to their fanservicism. I like their fanservicism, but that's *it*.

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

You appear completely incapable of distinguishing the difference between the umbrella IP that covers everything and is a legal framework and the very credit Casey is freely lauding on the fanbase for their part in the creation of the Mass Effect trilogy.
Of course we're not going to get a writer's credit, but that does not mean we did not have a part in helping to craft this trilogy.
I can't help you anymore if you do not see or are able to understand the difference.

Modifié par SimonM72, 23 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

I'm not calling the IP 'ours', I never did.
Casey Hudson is calling it a collaborative effort between the devs and fans for the content.  Re-read both the Interviewer's question and Casey's answering statement... and if you can, try to dispute it.
He considers that the fans are co-creators.  Fact.  What part of that don't you understand?.

What part of the IP not being yours therefore the story not being yours part you are unable to grasp?

Casey was referring to their fanservicism. I like their fanservicism, but that's *it*.

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

Nobody disputes that. This is their product, and their decision. That said, viewed from the outside, it appears to be a very poor business decision. As paying customers, we're well within our rights to communicate with them what can be done to restore value to the product we purchased. If they choose to ignore us, they alone will suffer the real-world consequences in the form of lost business and a tarnished reputation. The only reason we're here is because we care - if we didn't, we would have simply withdrawn our business without further comment.

[Tymvir]

Slippery slope argument is slippery.

[Nocchi]

Is there ever going to be a thread where the opposing side does not resort to calling the others "whiny" "crybabies" "entitled brats" etc?

Honestly, I can't take your side seriously if you want to start name calling.

And as someone has pointed out already, Bioware hasn't said anything about giving an official new ending DLC. Even if there is a DLC that clears up any information about the ending, you can just choose to not download it if you feel it's fine the way it is.

[d.nichols]

TGraptor wrote...

urborg74 wrote...

Somehow, I think the people who hated the ending outnumber the people who loved it. I also dare say that Bioware stands to lose more income from not "fixing" the endings than they do from leaving them as they are, so I find all your arguments irrelevant.

where are those accurate facts and numbers? Link?

Yeah... you cant say things like that, people that say they like the ending here on BSN usually get attacked with really harsh things, so they dont really post much. Not saying you are right or wrong, just, show facts and numbers. I want to see all sale counts being voted in =P

Also, Urborg, you have to consider that not everyone who hated the endings wants them changed. Some would rather just believe Indoctrination Theory and let Mass Effect drift into obscurity.

[Arkitekt]

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

I'm not calling the IP 'ours', I never did.
Casey Hudson is calling it a collaborative effort between the devs and fans for the content.  Re-read both the Interviewer's question and Casey's answering statement... and if you can, try to dispute it.
He considers that the fans are co-creators.  Fact.  What part of that don't you understand?.

What part of the IP not being yours therefore the story not being yours part you are unable to grasp?

Casey was referring to their fanservicism. I like their fanservicism, but that's *it*.

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

You appear completely incapable of distinguishing the difference between the umbrella IP that covers everything and is a legal framework and the very credit Casey is freely lauding on the fanbase for their part in the creation of the Mass Effect trilogy.
Of course we're not going to get a writer's credit, but that does not mean we did not have a part in helping to craft this trilogy.
I can't help you anymore if you do not see or are able to understand the difference.

You say I don't *get* that fans helped BioWare even after I said that the only thing that happened was that fans *helped* BioWare and got some fanservice back? Are you having sighting problems mister?

[Arkitekt]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

I'm not calling the IP 'ours', I never did.
Casey Hudson is calling it a collaborative effort between the devs and fans for the content.  Re-read both the Interviewer's question and Casey's answering statement... and if you can, try to dispute it.
He considers that the fans are co-creators.  Fact.  What part of that don't you understand?.

What part of the IP not being yours therefore the story not being yours part you are unable to grasp?

Casey was referring to their fanservicism. I like their fanservicism, but that's *it*.

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

Nobody disputes that. This is their product, and their decision. That said, viewed from the outside, it appears to be a very poor business decision.

That's an entirely different argument and one that I agree with. Just avoid the "It's OUR STORY" joke that is passed as an argument and we'll be all party and flowers!

[Oldbones2]

Arkitekt

At this point, we're in the do not change the ending thread, not the Who does the story belong to thread. (Bioware, IMO)

That said, if BW wants to sell myself and many other Retakers plot based DLC, then they could throw us a bone and include one ending that would satisfy us.

No one is asking them to strip away the ending you love so much. We just want the same thing you have. An ending we can enjoy from our favorite series.

And if Bioware wants to sell more stuff, at least to me, they'll need to deliver.

[Arkitekt]

Small important point: I don't love the endings. I actually dislike them as they are.

[urborg74]

TGraptor wrote...

urborg74 wrote...

Somehow, I think the people who hated the ending outnumber the people who loved it. I also dare say that Bioware stands to lose more income from not "fixing" the endings than they do from leaving them as they are, so I find all your arguments irrelevant.

where are those accurate facts and numbers? Link?

Yeah... you cant say things like that, people that say they like the ending here on BSN usually get attacked with really harsh things, so they dont really post much. Not saying you are right or wrong, just, show facts and numbers. I want to see all sale counts being voted in =P

Learn reading comprehension, please.  My post was obviously made as a statement of personal opinion based on observation (using words such as "I think" and "dare say" and "I find").  Your demand of facts and numbers to support what I clearly stated as opinion is asinine.

I came to the conclusion via using my eyes, seeing the volume of angry responses, of people demanding an ending more befitting the series.  If you need more proof, Bioware is responding to it...if it was all smoke and mirrors and just a couple angry people posting a lot, they wouldn't.   Now kindly step away and go find someone else to argue with because I'm done with you.
 

[Overule]

[TGraptor]

urborg74 wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

urborg74 wrote...

Somehow, I think the people who hated the ending outnumber the people who loved it. I also dare say that Bioware stands to lose more income from not "fixing" the endings than they do from leaving them as they are, so I find all your arguments irrelevant.

where are those accurate facts and numbers? Link?

Yeah... you cant say things like that, people that say they like the ending here on BSN usually get attacked with really harsh things, so they dont really post much. Not saying you are right or wrong, just, show facts and numbers. I want to see all sale counts being voted in =P

Learn reading comprehension, please.  My post was obviously made as a statement of personal opinion based on observation (using words such as "I think" and "dare say" and "I find").  Your demand of facts and numbers to support what I clearly stated as opinion is asinine.

I came to the conclusion via using my eyes, seeing the volume of angry responses, of people demanding an ending more befitting the series.  If you need more proof, Bioware is responding to it...if it was all smoke and mirrors and just a couple angry people posting a lot, they wouldn't.   Now kindly step away and go find someone else to argue with because I'm done with you.
 

First of all, UMAD, second, i wasnt arguing, read what i said more closely, and learn to take it in as a suggestion.

third, i will not step away, because u r not teh boss of meh! lol

[AlanC9]

Oldbones2 wrote...
No one is asking them to strip away the ending you love so much. We just want the same thing you have. An ending we can enjoy from our favorite series. 

Here the thing that bugs me, though. How do I get the downer ending if there's a hearts-and-flowers ending added? Do I have to deliberately make Shepard screw up?

I can simply refuse to DL the pack, of course, which is fine with me as long as the only thing in that DLC is the puppies-and-kittens ending.

(Just being snarky there because I don't have a good handle on what an acceptable new ending is supposed to be.)

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Lisa_H]

AlanC9 wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...
No one is asking them to strip away the ending you love so much. We just want the same thing you have. An ending we can enjoy from our favorite series. 

Here the thing that bugs me, though. How do I get the downer ending if there's a hearts-and-flowers ending added?Do I have to deliberately make Shepard screw up?

If you like ending you simply don't download it, and you don't have to force your Shepard tp screw up.
Besides there is no canon in Mass Effect. If you download the ending that will be canon for your Shepard, if don't download that will be canon for that Shepard

[Siegdrifa]

If it's optional, why do you care op ?

If change are forbiden... you realise our day one game would be a real pain ?
When making a new patch to balance skill it can change what you liked to do, but if it's optional... complaining is not productive.

Why would i complain at an ice cream shop and ask them to get rid of all exept chocolate because i came only for the chocolate ? Same for dlc... it's optionnal, nobody force you to buy it, if you think it would had more flavor, take it.
So no, Bioware won't loose their artistic integrity by putting more optionnal ending / closure.... if you think so, then they never had artistic integrity from the start...with all their dlc and patch.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 23 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[SimonM72]

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

I'm not calling the IP 'ours', I never did.
Casey Hudson is calling it a collaborative effort between the devs and fans for the content.  Re-read both the Interviewer's question and Casey's answering statement... and if you can, try to dispute it.
He considers that the fans are co-creators.  Fact.  What part of that don't you understand?.

What part of the IP not being yours therefore the story not being yours part you are unable to grasp?

Casey was referring to their fanservicism. I like their fanservicism, but that's *it*.

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

You appear completely incapable of distinguishing the difference between the umbrella IP that covers everything and is a legal framework and the very credit Casey is freely lauding on the fanbase for their part in the creation of the Mass Effect trilogy.
Of course we're not going to get a writer's credit, but that does not mean we did not have a part in helping to craft this trilogy.
I can't help you anymore if you do not see or are able to understand the difference.

You say I don't *get* that fans helped BioWare even after I said that the only thing that happened was that fans *helped* BioWare and got some fanservice back? Are you having sighting problems mister?

No sighting problems here Mister, although you may benefit from a learning difficulties test.
Whats your argument now?, that we were not under contract as contacted writers as so all the fan-input is somehow inferior to ideas coming from Mac or any of the other writers?.

[Arkitekt]

Whats your argument now?, that we were not under contract as contacted writers as so all the fan-input is somehow inferior to ideas coming from Mac or any of the other writers?.

Is that so hard to comprehend? Is that even a question? You are blissfully ignorant of everything regarding any semblance of reality if you even ponder otherwise.

[AlanC9]

Lisa_H wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...
No one is asking them to strip away the ending you love so much. We just want the same thing you have. An ending we can enjoy from our favorite series. 

Here the thing that bugs me, though. How do I get the downer ending if there's a hearts-and-flowers ending added?Do I have to deliberately make Shepard screw up?

If you like ending you simply don't download it, and you don't have to force your Shepard tp screw up.
Besides there is no canon in Mass Effect. If you download the ending that will be canon for your Shepard, if don't download that will be canon for that Shepard

Sure, that works for me. I didn't want Prothy and I don't have to have him.

What I'm worried about is that Bio will put a whole lot of other ending stuff in the DLC as well, which would force the happier ending on me if I want more fleshed-out versions of the other endings.

It's all hypothetical at this point, though.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 mars 2012 - 07:09 .