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[Talon2000uk]

AlanC9 wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...
No one is asking them to strip away the ending you love so much. We just want the same thing you have. An ending we can enjoy from our favorite series. 

Here the thing that bugs me, though. How do I get the downer ending if there's a hearts-and-flowers ending added? Do I have to deliberately make Shepard screw up?

I can simply refuse to DL the pack, of course, which is fine with me as long as the only thing in that DLC is the puppies-and-kittens ending.

(Just being snarky there because I don't have a good handle on what an acceptable new ending is supposed to be.)

This is why I like the Idea of having a Final Paragon or renegade interupt when the God brat is tell you to make the coice, an impasioned speach that lets you convince the brat that Synthetics and organics can live to gether, you know like you just proved on the quarian home world. 

[Hunter of Legends]

Arkitekt wrote...

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

This does not excuse Bioware to leave massive plot holes and lie to their customers.

[Arkitekt]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

This does not excuse Bioware to leave massive plot holes and lie to their customers.

In fact those two facts are entirelly unrelated in any possible way so your reply is amazingly queer and awkward. Where the hell did that come from?

[AlanC9]

But then won't we just all do the interrupt, Talon?

OK, I see -- we won't all have the Rep points to do it, right?

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Arkitekt wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

When sh*t hits the fan, when the bottom line is drawn, this is BioWare's IP, not yours.

This does not excuse Bioware to leave massive plot holes and lie to their customers.

In fact those two facts are entirelly unrelated in any possible way so your reply is amazingly queer and awkward. Where the hell did that come from?

Because this is part of the issue.

The endings are NOT ok by these reasons, therefor them changing them are not a bad thing. They would be welcomed by any SANE person.<_<

[Vaktathi]

AlanC9 wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...
No one is asking them to strip away the ending you love so much. We just want the same thing you have. An ending we can enjoy from our favorite series. 

Here the thing that bugs me, though. How do I get the downer ending if there's a hearts-and-flowers ending added? Do I have to deliberately make Shepard screw up?

I can simply refuse to DL the pack, of course, which is fine with me as long as the only thing in that DLC is the puppies-and-kittens ending.

(Just being snarky there because I don't have a good handle on what an acceptable new ending is supposed to be.)

Most people want an ending that offers some sort of choice, isn't making tons of gigantic plotholes, and is actually...varied.

Right now there's little practical difference if you play the bare minimum 10-12 hours of ME3 to beat it, or 130+ hours of ME1/2/3+DLC, your ending will differ with a slight change in the same cinematic for about 5 seconds, and that's literally it.

Oh, and ideally not introduce an annoying and unnecessary Godchild at the last minute who gives a ridiculous circular-logic based justification for the Reapers existence and insist that we must functionally (if not quite literally given how Arrival shows relays exploding) destroy galactic civilization and quite possibly finish what the Reapers started.

If they still want to make it mostly dark after that, fine with most of us.

Even the "happy" ending many want needn't be sunshine and rainbows, nobody would call the endings of ME1 and ME2 sunshine and rainbows even though they can end up "happy". ME1 still ends with tens of thousands dead, a citadel in ruins and several fleets destroyed and a feeling of dread inevitability, ME2 (even if everyone lives) ends with Shepard and the illusive man becoming enemies and the Reapers moving in. Even  a "happy" ME3 ending would result in a ruined earth and millions dead and dozens of colonies destroyeed with decades of hardship and rebuilding required.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 23 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[I RJay I]

I don't dislike the ending because it was sad or my shepard didn't get to live out his days at the bar with Garrus.

I disliked it because it was awfully written, plot hole ridden, such implausable events.

If Bioware truly believed that the ending was excellent and we were all just ignorant. They wouldn't give it a second look. The fact that they are trying to fix it shows me they know they made a mistake, whether they say so or not. Also, the reason I got annoyed about the ending, rather than just moving on is the loads of false advertising we were given, which has been posted in many other threads.

Also, OP, you should probably learn a thing or two about what's going on.

[BootyBamBoo]

I think if they find a way to continue it it will be better than changing it.

[sanepane]

TGraptor wrote...

urborg74 wrote...

TGraptor wrote...

urborg74 wrote...

Somehow, I think the people who hated the ending outnumber the people who loved it.

blah blah blah...

where are those accurate facts and numbers? Link?

Yeah... you cant say things like that, people that say they like the ending here on BSN usually get attacked with really harsh things, so they dont really post much. Not saying you are right or wrong, just, show facts and numbers. I want to see all sale counts being voted in =P

blah blah blah..
 

First of all, UMAD, second, i wasnt arguing, read what i said more closely, and learn to take it in as a suggestion.

third, i will not step away, because u r not teh boss of meh! lol

http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/ 

A whopping 61 000 to <6000. That's over a 10:1 ratio. This is obviously not the most reliable poll to give a wholesome look at how the game ending is received in general, concidering this is BSN (a.k.a. the exact place that people come to complain about things they don't like in their BW games) but it still gives a pretty good look at what people think in here. In BSN, people who liked the endings are a minority. That's a fact.


Just sayin'.

Modifié par sanepane, 23 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[silent-man73]

This whole thing saddens me, to be honest. I would have preferred if BioWare had just stood their ground and said, "That's the ending, that's how this trilogy ends, we'll see you with the next DLC released for the game."

But no. People had to complain, they had to insist that they had to have everything their way, and they've actually managed to pressure one of the most successful game design studios in recent history into changing fundamental elements of the game.

Sure, the ending itself isn't being changed; there's no real way to do that, without having people play the game all over again to reach that ending. We're being given content that will further clarify and explain things.

Thing is, BioWare shouldn't have had to do that. They should have just accepted, with stoic silence, the complaints of the individuals who just had to be loud and brash on the forums, and called it good.

Yes, my Commander Shepard is mine. I nurtured her from becoming a Specter to stopping the Collectors to wiping out over 100,000 Batarians to stop an early "back door" invasion of Reapers, and I'm taking her along the path to this apparently-controversial ending now.

I've avoided spoilers on what that ending is; all I know is it's "bittersweet", to use Casey Hudson's words. I'll get to that ending in my own time. I haven't seen Tali's face, I've only just last night dealt with the fallout from losing Samara on the Collectors' base in ME2, I've only recently mourned the death of a loved character in closing out the first act of ME3.

And I'm fine with that pace, and perhaps in the eyes of some this means I can't complain about those who have forced BioWare to revisit the ending of this game, because I haven't yet seen that ending for myself. That's fine, they can say I'm "not welcome yet" all they like. That isn't what this is about.

What it's about is a generation of gamers who are used to instant gratification, who think an online forum that's left open for them to interact with developers and with each other doesn't carry the responsibility of civil behavior, such that BioWare had to publish an update to the Code of Conduct for these forums to inform people that the rampant incivility which has characterized this forum for awhile now will no longer be tolerated.

There's a reason I'm not going into the multiplayer of this game, despite the fact that I could apparently have an easier time reaching an optimal ending if I did so. That reason is that I don't want to deal with a fanbase who would so horrifically abuse BioWare through a smear campaign via a social network that BioWare, in an effort to quiet people down and show they actually do care about their fans, is willing to make concessions to those fans. I have to deal with that self-entitlement crowd in World of Warcraft. I had to deal with them for the two months I played Star Wars: The Old Republic.

I'm not going to deal with them in Mass Effect 3. Mass Effect is my story, not theirs. They don't get to affect my ending, and they don't get to disgust me with their behavior.

The people who are crowing over this "victory" over BioWare should be ashamed of themselves.

Because I'm ashamed I'm part of the same group of people who play the game, even if there are miles of difference between me and them.

I still know how to show gratitude and not tear someone else down to do it.

[SimonM72]

Arkitekt wrote...

Whats your argument now?, that we were not under contract as contacted writers as so all the fan-input is somehow inferior to ideas coming from Mac or any of the other writers?.

Is that so hard to comprehend? Is that even a question? You are blissfully ignorant of everything regarding any semblance of reality if you even ponder otherwise.

Of course its a question, don't tell me we've now to add basic grammar to the list of things you have problems with.
Are you able to distill exactly what your problem is with that statement from Casey because I'm not interested in replying just to argue and for the sake of arguing and having the last word (although I'm beginning to suspect thats what you enjoy).

[Siegdrifa]

Arkitekt wrote...

Whats your argument now?, that we were not under contract as contacted writers as so all the fan-input is somehow inferior to ideas coming from Mac or any of the other writers?.

Is that so hard to comprehend? Is that even a question? You are blissfully ignorant of everything regarding any semblance of reality if you even ponder otherwise.

You are missing the point.

Bioware own the right to make ME game from EA.
Those who hold the power are EA stockholder and they on't give a damn about art or games, video game is a market like any other to make more money for them.

Bioware are free and trusted to make "their art" as long as there is profit for the stockholder.
If Biowar start to loose the trust of theit fan (potential market), it's mean it can impact the sale at short and long therm for their future product.
This is a coporation, they have only one goal, raise profit (it's an economical definition), doesn't matter what is your production, as long as your make money out of it, you can keep going, if it change, the stockholder will step in and ask Bioware to do a product more in line with what the customer will buy in high number.

Also, if you think Bioware is a hive mind and everybody agree on the same thing for 100% of the choices they had to make for the franchise, you are naive, artist have their taste, their history, their personnality, their experience. But their are professional, and they compromis at some point in order to deliver a coherent product.
Including the customer / fan is not chocking at all.

Bioware could to ME2 and ME3 because enough people bough ME1 then ME2.
If after ME3 they loose the trust of too many supporter, furtur product could be more restricted.
They can't live with art at stake first, they have to pay bill, care for their family, they can't for work for free on their game, the more supporter they have, the more freedom they will get to make their project, the less they get, and they will loose freedom to do what they want to do.

Stockholders look at numbers only, it's a partnership of trust :
Trust from stockholder to Bioware to fund their prouct
Trust from fans to Bioware to buy their product because of the kind of entertainement their use to make.
Loosing trust of fan could mean (but not always at first sign) loosing trust of stockholders.
If they never wanted to have "authority" above them, they should have stayed independent (if they had choice).

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 23 mars 2012 - 07:32 .

[Arkitekt]

Sieg, that's not even remotely close addressing my discussion with Simon, so whatever. I'm not even against the argument that it's for BioWare's "health" they should do fanservice here and correct mistakes.

Of course its a question, don't tell me we've now to add basic grammar to the list of things you have problems with.
Are you able to distill exactly what your problem is with that statement from Casey because I'm not interested in replying just to argue and for the sake of arguing and having the last word (although I'm beginning to suspect thats what you enjoy).

*My* problem? Puh lease, you are reading too much from Casey words and taking from it that you actually own the story. That it is *your* story as much as BioWare's. That may be "poetically" true, and when Casey is feeling all generous and magnanimous he will agree with it. Ask him now what he thinks of it and tell me his reaction. You'd finally open your eyes reeeeaaallly fast to reality.

[SovereignWillReturn]

FutureShocked wrote...

What if they change the ending, and it appeals to some people and not others? Will we be forever in a loop of the ending of the game being changed to until everyone is happy? Now that Bioware has given in the ignorant among us will feel they can have their way all the time. The game sold 3.5 million copies and i dont see 3.5 million people complaining. i also dont see 3.5 million people donating to the cause. .1% of the people who bought the game were passionate enough about it to actually donate. the rest are just on the bandwagon in hopes that next time they dont like a way a developer does things they can change things 'because Bioware did it'

Price of a game too high? why not complain to companies to lower it to $30. hell why stop there, why not whine and complain and lobby to make all games free. Didnt like how badly Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City sucked? maybe with enough complaining and lobbying to Slant Six and Capcom will get them to redo the entire game just to tickle our fancy.

Why stop at games? We are so entitled to have our way all the time like spoiled little brats why not take some attention to the movie scene and change the endings to every movie that didn't live up to expectations as well. 

I have created a Facebook Page called Preserve Mass Effect. Join it or like it if you share my feelings. Just over 4000 people showed their support for changing the ending. and if they get their way it will set a dangerous precedent for the future of games. we need to show them that alot more of us appreciate and respect Bioware/EA's decicion on how they chose to end THEIR story. 

They don't need the ending to be happy, the ending was filled with plot holes, stupidity, and lots of cryptic.

I just want them to make a GOOD ending, like why the hell was Normandy shot and stranded away? What happened to your squaddies who took the run with you? All of these questions were left unanswered, because the ending was just poorly written.

They can kill Shepperd 20 million times for all I care, I want to ending, and the reprecussions of your ending, (Other than a differently colored Mass Relay explosion) to be seen. What happens to the races on Earth?

Riddle me that before you start getting all whiny about ME being art. It's no Picasso, it's a game. With guns and explosions.

[NoirLegend]

The endings shouldn't be changed: they only have to add others ending (possibly happier the ones) and fill all the plotholes.

[Le9ion]

This is all economics. Videogames, while can be seen as art, is more of a commodity--a good produced meant to bring in a profit. Are there developers and writers who genuinely want to make it "art"? Of course but I think the first priority is putting food on the table and roof over their heads. The idea that this sets some new precedent is ridiculous. Movies are prescreened all the time to gauge audience reactions and many times, certain characters or scenes will be re-done to make the movie more commercially viable (which in most cases, means changing it to suit the audience's preferences.) People have cited famous authors like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who have done the same.

I believe BioWare/EA thought that the customer backlash (including bad press and word of mouth) was more financially costly than ignoring the situation and leaving the endings as they are. I am confident that had they thought it would have been more financially beneficial to do so, they would have. They could have done so easily and simply argued for artistic integrity. Apparently, they thought it better to make a statement. I am not even confident they will do anything that will remotely satisfy most gamers; if they re-evaluate the situation at some point and feel that the community and media have long forgotten about this issue, they may decide to just do the bare minimum (ex. write a paragraph explaining the galactic Dark Age to simply fulfill their public statement made about "clarifying the ending").

Modifié par Le9ion, 23 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[Siegdrifa]

Arkitekt wrote...

Sieg, that's not even remotely close addressing my discussion with Simon, so whatever. I'm not even against the argument that it's for BioWare's "health" they should do fanservice here and correct mistakes.

Of course its a question, don't tell me we've now to add basic grammar to the list of things you have problems with.
Are you able to distill exactly what your problem is with that statement from Casey because I'm not interested in replying just to argue and for the sake of arguing and having the last word (although I'm beginning to suspect thats what you enjoy).

*My* problem? Puh lease, you are reading too much from Casey words and taking from it that you actually own the story. That it is *your* story as much as BioWare's. That may be "poetically" true, and when Casey is feeling all generous and magnanimous he will agree with it. Ask him now what he thinks of it and tell me his reaction. You'd finally open your eyes reeeeaaallly fast to reality.

My point was (sorry may be it wasn't clear at all); Bioware right to work on ME and write the story is because they are a part of EA. But EA (unless some legal document protect some executive at Bioware to do whatever they please with ME liscence) could ask any other studio to develop a ME game and Bioware would have no legal way to stop their creation being taken away from them.

But i would agree that we (fans, customers) have legaly no right over ME franchise, and buyng the game is not a legal bond between us and Bioware, Bioware listen to us because they always did and know it can be productife for their game, but they don't have to listen to us.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 23 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[SimonM72]

Arkitekt wrote...

you are reading too much from Casey words and taking from it that you actually own the story.

Arrrrgh!, this is what you don't get!.
I don't own THE story, I own MY own personal Shepard's story.  The game should be flexible enough (as the trilogy has been up to now) to give the choice (or illusion of choice if you are feeling pedantic) - to finish my.... finish our stories - not Biowares finale, but the multiple and varied endings pulling data from and stemming from our trilogy decisions that was promised.
We have given Bioware enough suggestions, enough data (even after this starchild mess) to make things right in the eyes of the vast majority of fans.

If you don't agree as per this thread's title then thats fine, don't buy the DLC.
All of this forum activity post launch comes from us, not Mac and not the other writers, its not official but is valid and addresses the points that (apparently) Bioware either left out on purpose or left out accidentally because it was so poorly written [insert whatever theory you subscribe to].

Let me make this double clear for you.  I (we) do not own the IP, we have been given the credit by Casey that he considers the Mass Effect fanbase the co-creators.  This is fanservice as you call it but is no less valid just because our names aren't on the credits individually.

*Don't you think we have a right after all the forum creative suggestions and discussion and the time invested in playthroughs, to expect Bioware to honour their pre-release promises that the endings would be representitive of our decisions?.

* - ^^ THATS a question btw ^^

Modifié par SimonM72, 23 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[Jebediah Springfield]

Do not change it. If people don't like the story they should write their own science fiction stories. Don't make some crap fan service ending. Fan service is ruining games.

[Siegdrifa]

NoirLegend wrote...

The endings shouldn't be changed: they only have to add others ending (possibly happier the ones) and fill all the plotholes.

This would be an ideal situation.

This is not about majority or minority but how many room can be spared by Bioware to get a higher number of "satisfied" while keeping the "already satisfied" that logicaly fear for their pleasure to be altered.... while the other want the displeasure to be altered.

The right of X individual to feel satisfied is not more important than the Y individual.
They can't please everybody, but i think they can manage to get higher number of people who will return to ME3 without fearing the last 5 minutes.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 23 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[Nepp]

Jebediah Springfield wrote...

Do not change it. If people don't like the story they should write their own science fiction stories. Don't make some crap fan service ending. Fan service is ruining games.

Bioware is doing a pretty darned good job at ruining games on their own without fan involvment.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

But  he does bring up a point, what happens when this new 'ending' comes out and people don't like that? then what? all this all over again?

Change always brings with it dissenters. The question is: how many? Assassin's Creed 2's gameplay could have been worse than the original. Should it have been left alone? Ultimately, this is a balancing act between pleasing enough fans to reduce negative impact and arguing the "normal forum" levels. At this point, the movement has moved past what you'd find with most games.

[K2daE]

I think the strong feelings people have over this issue are clouding perceptions on both sides. On the side of change, I dont think anyone is asking that the endings be removed or unobtainable by those who enjoyed them, just to provide and alternative choice for those who did not. These games have always been about choice and consequence.
From an artistic stand point, can it not be considered adding to the art of the piece? I know there are many pitfalls in this notion(the many different versions of star wars for an example), but it does not mean that it cant ever benefit the piece.
There are so many ways this story can unfold, would it really be "dangerous" for there to be many ways that it can end?

[Vaktathi]

[quote]silent-man73 wrote...

This whole thing saddens me, to be honest. I would have preferred if BioWare had just stood their ground and said, "That's the ending, that's how this trilogy ends, we'll see you with the next DLC released for the game."[/quote] Why would we want to bother with the DLC if the ending leaves us frustrated and demoralized, why bother with DLC if the ending is a a powerfully negative experience.

[quote]
But no. People had to complain, they had to insist that they had to have everything their way, and they've actually managed to pressure one of the most successful game design studios in recent history into changing fundamental elements of the game.[/quote] If said elements were not satisfying their customers (the people who they work to entertain and who in turn pay their bills), this is bad...how?

If we're going to get into the hokey "artistic integrity" thing, lets shoot that down right now. Games are art yes, but art as a product. The art comes from how a product meets a consumers desires. If it failes to meet those desires, it fails as a work of art. 

Additionally, player interaction and consequences/results of player choice have been a key hallmark of this game, integral to its artistic merit. The ending botches this entirely, causing it to fail as the culmination of the artistic expression of this game.


[quote]
Sure, the ending itself isn't being changed; there's no real way to do that, without having people play the game all over again to reach that ending. [/quote] You patch the game so that when you walk into the beam it changes the content after that. Not impossible at all to do.

[quote]We're being given content that will further clarify and explain things.[/quote] Which can only be done to such an extent with this ending, there's some things that just arent' fixable, or that, even if explained, aren't likely simply to highlight the sillyness of such things in the first place.

Thing is, BioWare shouldn't have had to do that. They should have just accepted, with stoic silence, the complaints of the individuals who just had to be loud and brash on the forums, and called it good. [/quote] And what good does that do anybody? It leaves the franchise off on a bad note, it leaves the company with a bad image, and it leaves players upset and angry.


[quote]
Yes, my Commander Shepard is mine. I nurtured her from becoming a Specter to stopping the Collectors to wiping out over 100,000 Batarians to stop an early "back door" invasion of Reapers, and I'm taking her along the path to this apparently-controversial ending now.

I've avoided spoilers on what that ending is; all I know is it's "bittersweet", to use Casey Hudson's words. I'll get to that ending in my own time. I haven't seen Tali's face, I've only just last night dealt with the fallout from losing Samara on the Collectors' base in ME2, I've only recently mourned the death of a loved character in closing out the first act of ME3.

And I'm fine with that pace, and perhaps in the eyes of some this means I can't complain about those who have forced BioWare to revisit the ending of this game, because I haven't yet seen that ending for myself. That's fine, they can say I'm "not welcome yet" all they like. That isn't what this is about.[/quote] it's a fairly powerful thing. I was pretty much the same way before I actually reached the ending. I avoided any and all spoilers of *any* kind. I had never posted nor visited this forum before, nor thought anything negative of Bioware or their writing/development staff until that point.

I'd urge you to actually play through it, and then compare that ending with the other possibilities (they are...very limited) and then come to your own conclusion.

[quote]
What it's about is a generation of gamers who are used to instant gratification, who think an online forum that's left open for them to interact with developers and with each other doesn't carry the responsibility of civil behavior, such that BioWare had to publish an update to the Code of Conduct for these forums to inform people that the rampant incivility which has characterized this forum for awhile now will no longer be tolerated.[/quote] Most people are being civil. Sure there are exceptions, this is the Internet after all. But *most* people aren't screaming and tearing at each other. Most people also realize any updated ending would take months, they just want to hear that the concerns are noted and understood, which so far they've only gone about half-way.

[quote]
There's a reason I'm not going into the multiplayer of this game, despite the fact that I could apparently have an easier time reaching an optimal ending if I did so. That reason is that I don't want to deal with a fanbase who would so horrifically abuse BioWare through a smear campaign via a social network that BioWare, in an effort to quiet people down and show they actually do care about their fans, is willing to make concessions to those fans. [/quote] Then why are you engaging anyone here? the multiplayer experience is fairly limited in terms of communication for the most part, especially compared to other games.


[quote]
The people who are crowing over this "victory" over BioWare should be ashamed of themselves.[/quote] And being painfully self righteous when you haven't gone through the same experience and don't understand where they are coming from is better...how?





[quote]Jebediah Springfield wrote...

Do not change it. If people
don't like the story they should write their own science fiction
stories. Don't make some crap fan service ending. Fan service is ruining
games.[/quote]Did you miss where half the content in the trilogy was fanservice...?

Modifié par Vaktathi, 23 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[Ravenmyste]

SimonM72 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.
Its also my time, five years of my invested time and story choices.  Seeing as though time is more precious than money and I not having that much free time, I certainly I do not look kindly on it being wasted, especially for when its something I have been promised since before the game launched and it does not make it into the final product.

nope its not its their story not yours if was your story then you wouldnt have the 3 endings, that they made for their story right.. right..


so yeha its theirs you only  playing  a story they made  and the outcomes they made.. sorry but its all theirs and not yours..

I get what you're saying, it is illusion of choice.
But if it is done well enough, with as many options as Mass Effect one and two has previously shown, then its about as close as you are going to get in a videogame.

there is no illusion of choice the kid TELLS you  will die in both of the blue{ you will loose you physical body and everything tied to that ending, but you will be come the next controller i.e the child and green=legion ending per se, but combining everything and everyone into once race base line, and last but no least red you do what you set out to do kill everything that organics made that became against them as a restart button and not die{ if you have high enough war assets and ems}


so no there no illusion of choice he gave you the options laid it out to you not lying to you, but he came up with another choice as the child said he was changed by the crucible to change everything but he wouldn't do it so you had to do it


so no i am sorry, but the only illusion is you delusion that you had no choice that you wanted to end the story on a happy note, there is only onc choice that makes you live or should say 2 but one keep you body and one makes you the replacement of the child.
 
but i would like to add that they do need to clear up  if shepard can talk to  races now thru his new body and or the reapers will do what he says to help the races rebuild by offering the tech to everyone that needs it... for the blue ending and find out if harbinger is under his control. that seemed to be missing thru out the storyline and only had him shooting his laser i was expecting more pivotal role of harby after the arrival

 and  green ending  needs to tell us  can they fix the  Normandy, now if everything around them combined organics can rebuild or can they live forever now?

red need some real closure on how they going to get around now that all  fleets are now stuck in the sol system with out any means to get back to there own respective  galaxies


in closing  i am commander Shepard and i am the citadel, the favorite place to visit!{ for the blue ending}

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 23 mars 2012 - 08:32 .