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[Siegdrifa]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

But  he does bring up a point, what happens when this new 'ending' comes out and people don't like that? then what? all this all over again?

Change always brings with it dissenters. The question is: how many? Assassin's Creed 2's gameplay could have been worse than the original. Should it have been left alone? Ultimately, this is a balancing act between pleasing enough fans to reduce negative impact and arguing the "normal forum" levels. At this point, the movement has moved past what you'd find with most games.

If the argument doesn't please a bigger number of fan... we will have to see why.
Bioware should have a clear list of what people need to get to be satisfied, and i'm not sure they can meet the expectation of everybody in first place.

In the worst case, Bioware could choose to rethink his copy, mabe even do a post campaign dlc in the future about geting your crew back, i don't know and i don't care.
Or either they will think they have compromised enough and their good will have reached it's limit, the ending will remain at that stage.
On the second case, their new games sales will tell if they really lost enough support and money to impact the stockholder until they will decide for Bioware what to do. Or not being impacted, Bioware will continue as before, ME3 ending being remembered for a very polemical impact.

[Ravenmyste]

Siegdrifa wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

But  he does bring up a point, what happens when this new 'ending' comes out and people don't like that? then what? all this all over again?

Change always brings with it dissenters. The question is: how many? Assassin's Creed 2's gameplay could have been worse than the original. Should it have been left alone? Ultimately, this is a balancing act between pleasing enough fans to reduce negative impact and arguing the "normal forum" levels. At this point, the movement has moved past what you'd find with most games.

If the argument doesn't please a bigger number of fan... we will have to see why.
Bioware should have a clear list of what people need to get to be satisfied, and i'm not sure they can meet the expectation of everybody in first place.

In the worst case, Bioware could choose to rethink his copy, mabe even do a post campaign dlc in the future about geting your crew back, i don't know and i don't care.
Or either they will think they have compromised enough and their good will have reached it's limit, the ending will remain at that stage.
On the second case, their new games sales will tell if they really lost enough support and money to impact the stockholder until they will decide for Bioware what to do. Or not being impacted, Bioware will continue as before, ME3 ending being remembered for a very polemical impact.

i just hope the  explanation will clear up alot people mind, but no one will be truly happy with the endings  they choose, but they do need to clear up alot things and i am looking forward to seeing what they add to the epilogue day after the choices made by the players

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 23 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[SimonM72]

Ravenmyste wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The Unfallen wrote...

its not THEIR story its OURS

That made me ROFL.

Come on give us another one.

You're missing the point.  It is our story.
Its also my time, five years of my invested time and story choices.  Seeing as though time is more precious than money and I not having that much free time, I certainly I do not look kindly on it being wasted, especially for when its something I have been promised since before the game launched and it does not make it into the final product.

nope its not its their story not yours if was your story then you wouldnt have the 3 endings, that they made for their story right.. right..


so yeha its theirs you only  playing  a story they made  and the outcomes they made.. sorry but its all theirs and not yours..

I get what you're saying, it is illusion of choice.
But if it is done well enough, with as many options as Mass Effect one and two has previously shown, then its about as close as you are going to get in a videogame.

there is no illusion of choice the kid TELLS you  will die in both of the blue{ you will loose you physical body and everything tied to that ending, but you will be come the next controller i.e the child and green=legion ending per se, but combining everything and everyone into once race base line, and last but no least red you do what you set out to do kill everything that organics made that became against them as a restart button and not die{ if you have high enough war assets and ems}


so no there no illusion of choice he gave you the options laid it out to you not lying to you, but he came up with another choice as the child said he was changed by the crucible to change everything but he wouldn't do it so you had to do it


so no i am sorry, but the only illusion is you delusion that you had no choice that you wanted to end the story on a happy note, there is only onc choice that makes you live or should say 2 but one keep you body and one makes you the replacement of the child.
 
but i would like to add that they do need to clear up  if shepard can talk to  races now thru his new body and or the reapers will do what he says to help the races rebuild by offering the tech to everyone that needs it... for the blue ending and find out if harbinger is under his control. that seemed to be missing thru out the storyline and only had him shooting his laser i was expecting more pivotal role of harby after the arrival

 and  green ending  needs to tell us  can they fix the  Normandy, now if everything around them combined organics can rebuild or can they live forever now?

red need some real closure on how they going to get around now that all  fleets are now stuck in the sol system with out any means to get back to there own respective  galaxies


in closing  i am commander Shepard and i am the citadel, the favorite place to visit!{ for the blue ending}

I was referring to the illusion of choice that the decision-making game mechanic gives you throughout your trilogy playthrough, not the limited decision making at the (quite frankly awful) starchild character.

[EmperorZorn]

Do NOT Change the Ending

You don't have to get the ending DLC.
If you like the old ending better then stick with it, it's not going to disappear.

Case closed.

Modifié par EmperorZorn, 23 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[AlanC9]

SimonM72 wrote...
I was referring to the illusion of choice that the decision-making game mechanic gives you throughout your trilogy playthrough, not the limited decision making at the (quite frankly awful) starchild character.

But most of those earlier choices aren't illusions. Whatever you did with the quarians and geth, for instance, is still the case regardless of what happens in the endgame.

[Siansonea]

Something very sycophantic about the premise of this thread. The market decides what will and won't be done, and all we can do as consumers is express our preferences. The ending has problems, period. There wouldn't be so much negativity about it if it was a perfect ending. I personally think they can't just cut bait and put a new ending on it, we have to live with what's already there, like or not. But we can ask them to flesh it out a little more, and perhaps add some new content to give more variety to the possible outcomes. And can we maybe have some denouement? I mean, even the first game had more of a post-game wrapup.

[Ieldra]

I'll agree with this so far: keep the existing options. Just add to it. Give us a way to challenge the starchild and an additional option based on rejecting its reasoning altogether. Let it explain why, in the face of contrary evidence, the conflict between organics and synthetics is inevitable. Give us a way out of the dark age.

Everything else can be handled by epilogues and added and changed scenes in the ending sequence. No additional interaction required here. But make the endings different, damn it. No more destroying the universe in every option. No more three-colored explosions. No more jungle planet with unfortunate implications regardless of your choices.

[Nicky 192]

But most of those earlier choices aren't illusions. Whatever you did with the quarians and geth, for instance, is still the case regardless of what happens in the endgame.

But the there is no choice in the endgame and the ultimate goal of a game is to reach the end. Pick colour A,B,C is not a choice. Simply offering a choice of 3 different suicides along with galactic wide genocide is not offering the player much of a choice.

[batlin]

Hey OP, you do realize that by demanding they not change the ending you are no less demanding them of something than those who want the ending changed, right?

Bioware can change the ending if they want to change the ending.

[Oldbones2]

Ok so first of all Bioware has said that they are clarifying the endings. As much as I want them to offer new options. I think they're just trying to make the three we have now more palatable.

Secondly even if there is a new ending, I really doubt that the DLC/patch will force you to choose any ending. That would ****** off the supposed majority who love the ending.

Thirdly NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, Bioware won't try to fix this twice. They know and we know that this is their only chance. Hell after they release it Retakers will either scream or give up or be satisfied, but they won't be organized and powerful anymore. And Bioware will be unwilling to commit resources to fix the problem twice.

It's three strikes and your out.

[Shunt Mcblunt]

Well lets see in a choose your own adventure book do you get multiple endings? They are not 3 different colors with crappy incoherent images that have an opposite effect of the actual game to end it on a good note. Jokers scenes and planet should not even existed. Also Shepard living is redundant when they stated this is last of ME with Shepard. Ending his story was ending it.

If you do not want the new ending do not download it. It will be your choice.hell if you want to see it then D/L play and uninstall it if you don't like.

[Ieldra]

Nicky 192 wrote...

But most of those earlier choices aren't illusions. Whatever you did with the quarians and geth, for instance, is still the case regardless of what happens in the endgame.

But the there is no choice in the endgame and the ultimate goal of a game is to reach the end. Pick colour A,B,C is not a choice. Simply offering a choice of 3 different suicides along with galactic wide genocide is not offering the player much of a choice.

Yeah, that's why I said add to it. No forced dark age of the galaxy. Add one additional option, make the existing endings more different, and showcase the differences, including the effects of important choices, in ending scenes that are radically different.

[Nicky 192]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nicky 192 wrote...

But most of those earlier choices aren't illusions. Whatever you did with the quarians and geth, for instance, is still the case regardless of what happens in the endgame.

But the there is no choice in the endgame and the ultimate goal of a game is to reach the end. Pick colour A,B,C is not a choice. Simply offering a choice of 3 different suicides along with galactic wide genocide is not offering the player much of a choice.

Yeah, that's why I said add to it. No forced dark age of the galaxy. Add one additional option, make the existing endings more different, and showcase the differences, including the effects of important choices, in ending scenes that are radically different.

,i agree with completely

[Cell1e]

Im for giving people more choices, gosh who would disagree with that, RPG's are all about choices arent they?

Yay for more ending choices! Gosh I hope we get some, I cant wait to play ME3.

[Oldbones2]

Just let me tell the Reaper God Child to "**** off". And let the chips fall as they may. Win or lose I could live with that.

[Adynata]

I don't think they would even consider changing the ending, but all folks are asking for is some clarity about what happened and how everything wraps up.

[kbct]

Cell1e wrote...

Im for giving people more choices, gosh who would disagree with that, RPG's are all about choices arent they?

Yeah, but we didn't get a RPG. We got a RBG. Only three options.

Modifié par kbct, 23 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[digby69]

go away

[TLK Spires]

FutureShocked wrote...

What if they change the ending, and it appeals to some people and not others? Will we be forever in a loop of the ending of the game being changed to until everyone is happy? Now that Bioware has given in the ignorant among us will feel they can have their way all the time. The game sold 3.5 million copies and i dont see 3.5 million people complaining.

stopped reading there. way to completely invalidate your opinion by showing you don't know how statistics works. also, rule number one of business: the customer is always right. 

Modifié par TLK Spires, 23 mars 2012 - 10:48 .

[Cell1e]

kbct wrote...

Cell1e wrote...

Im for giving people more choices, gosh who would disagree with that, RPG's are all about choices arent they?

Yeah, but we didn't get a RPG. We got a RBG. Only three options.

Yeah

[kbct]

TLK Spires wrote...

FutureShocked wrote...

What if they change the ending, and it appeals to some people and not others? Will we be forever in a loop of the ending of the game being changed to until everyone is happy? Now that Bioware has given in the ignorant among us will feel they can have their way all the time. The game sold 3.5 million copies and i dont see 3.5 million people complaining.

stopped reading there. way to completely invalidate your opinion by showing you don't know how statistics works. also, rule number one of business: the customer is always right. 

Well, don't forget the lack of reading comprehension. BioWare shipped 3.5 million copies.

[kingtigernz]

Maybe CDP should take over the franchise?

[meisjoe]

People keep forgetting that this isn't a static game... It's made up of choices... and everyone's experience is different. Don't change the ending - ADD MORE CHOICES! (And extend the endings so as to pay tribute to all the choices we made throughout the series.)

[Dominator24]

Vaktathi wrote...

FutureShocked wrote...

What if they change the ending, and it appeals to some people and not others?

They won't have to download the new ending?

Now that Bioware has given in the ignorant among us will feel they can have their way all the time.

The ignorant among us? Would you like to explain that more?

The game sold 3.5 million copies and i dont see 3.5 million people complaining.

3.5 million shipped.

I don't see 3.5 million expressing their support for the ending either by that token.

i also dont see 3.5 million people donating to the cause. .1% of the people who bought the game were passionate enough about it to actually donate.

And I've yet to see any effort of the like on the "support" side.

Why stop at games? We are so entitled to have our way all the time like spoiled little brats

Have you read any of the threads involving the reasons why people have issues with the ending or did you just resort ot name calling straightaway?

Just over 4000 people showed their support for changing the ending.

Make that in excess of 53,000 currently showing their support for changing the ending on Facebook.

and if they get their way it will set a dangerous precedent for the future of games.

The precedent already exists. Alan Wake, Fallout 3, etc. 


Do yourself a favor, go out and read the threads on why people have issues with the ending and why it is in Bioware's best interest to do something about it. Check out the link in my sig for just such a thing.

I would not put it better myself.
And to the Facebook 53k number, I have no facebook and I'm one of the ppl that don't like the ending to. Im sure there are a lot of ppl that don't use FB and don't like the ending to, so you could probably take this 53k number and add x2(or more) really easy.