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[The Smitchens]

Man. Bioware just can't win, can they? It's not like they specifically said what they're going to do with the new content. They've announced they're going to do something. It's not like they're going to divulge every last spoiler or even if they've fully committed to one specific direction to go. They're probably still weighing options, but at the least have decided to take some sort of action.

I'll take it as a victory. I've been holding the line like a bastard, but damn.

[valex-jedi]

Drxx wrote...

Abirn wrote...

That's what I wanted. It was never about getting a "happy" ending, its about getting an ending that isn't filled with plotholes and explains the whole catalyst/reaper thing in more detail.

 

Speak for yourself.
I want happy ending

Man, my words exactly. Why after all the hard work can't we get a happy ending with Shepard and a lot of blue babies ?

[spacefiddle]

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

You can't clarify mud.  The fact that they're sticking to this word is a pretty clear signal: after careful consideration we've decided every idea we borrowed and shoehorned in is pure gold so we're going to explain why you just don't get it.

I was really hoping not to be an ex-customer.

[TheShinySword]

I'm... hesitant. While I'm really really glad that they are listening and this is definitely a little victory for us, I don't know if I'm going to be happy if they're just going to tack on stargazing grandpa reading his kid an encyclopedia as explanation or something. Like, I'm happy, but not that happy. We definitely need to keep making our problems loud and clear.

[crimzontearz]

I do not get it...explain to me WHY I should take their word on anything without ANY specifics on it

[Aurellia]

I hope they address our core issue which is to not railroad us into a Bespoke ending but actually have a true range of outcomes that depend on our choices in the game(s).

If they don't address this and instead choose to polish the current turd of an ending then I will be dissatisfied.

[aksoileau]

I'm still picking destroy so I'm breathing at the end. Everything else is suicide I mean "sacrifice." Sorry galaxy I've done enough!

So bioware plz expand what I'm doing after I wake up under some rubble.

[Vromrig]

The Smitchens wrote...

Man. Bioware just can't win, can they? It's not like they specifically said what they're going to do with the new content. They've announced they're going to do something. It's not like they're going to divulge every last spoiler or even if they've fully committed to one specific direction to go. They're probably still weighing options, but at the least have decided to take some sort of action.

I'll take it as a victory. I've been holding the line like a bastard, but damn.

Bioware can win.

Easily.  Not betraying entire game series to push philosophical message at last minute.

[TheWerdna]

Honestly, I never expected Bioware to change the endings, that would be unfair to the people who did like them (no matter how much I or anyone else hates the endings, that would be selfish on our part)

Instead I think it is more reasonable to ask/hope for two things

Additional scenes explaining and expanding on the endings. What should be accomplished in this is to fill in plotholes, makes the endings more different from each other (show us the impact and effect they had), show more scenes with the other characters (giving more closure) and scenes showing the outcome some of our other choices. Also perhaps have a scene showing Shepard and LI reuniting in the ending where Shepard lives.

Then, in addition to this, add a couple of new endings. That way there are more choices and more outcomes, both good and bad. (something that would be beneficial to both people who liked the endings and those who didn't)

These two things would not only benefit those of us who dislike the endings (by giving closure and some more choices), while not upseting the people who were okay with the endings. This would be the most beneficial solution to all invovled.

[Saku39]

This is an existential threat for Bioware. We are so incensed, so insulted at this point, that half-assed cutscenes and plot holes filled with styrofoam popcorn are just going to be twisting the knife.

Guys, have some people who have played all 3 games play your new ending before you release it. You have to learn that lesson: just because you don't give a toss about the lore and the plot, doesn't mean your customers are as ambivalent as you. We paid money for this.

Make it right.

[NoirLegend]

They are stupid or what? We need NEW endings not closure or others bull****, damn.

[Seryndras]

TheWerdna wrote...

Honestly, I never expected Bioware to change the endings, that would be unfair to the people who did like them (no matter how much I or anyone else hates the endings, that would be selfish on our part)

Instead I think it is more reasonable to ask/hope for two things

Additional scenes explaining and expanding on the endings. What should be accomplished in this is to fill in plotholes, makes the endings more different from each other (show us the impact and effect they had), show more scenes with the other characters (giving more closure) and scenes showing the outcome some of our other choices. Also perhaps have a scene showing Shepard and LI reuniting in the ending where Shepard lives.

Then, in addition to this, add a couple of new endings. That way there are more choices and more outcomes, both good and bad. (something that would be beneficial to both people who liked the endings and those who didn't)

These two things would not only benefit those of us who dislike the endings (by giving closure and some more choices), while not upseting the people who were okay with the endings. This would be the most beneficial solution to all invovled.

I just gotta ask - who would force people to download, install and play alternative ending DLCs?

Modifié par Seryndras, 23 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[spacefiddle]

I have a sinking feeling it's going to be "clarity to address concerns" like, "We understand people feel bad because they destroyed the Galaxy due to the implications of Relay destruction in Arrival. To clarify, these explosions are not the same due to Space Magic. You no longer have to feel bad about instantly wiping out trillions. Stop asking what the Turians eat."

[Chuvvy]

Bioware still thinks the starchild makes sense. They just think people who don't agree are too stupid to understand. It's funny, in a depressing sort of way.

[Scalpels]

thegame30 wrote...

Scalpels wrote...

I do not need clarity. I'm pretty sure its clear what occurs.

You control the Reapers.
You synthesize everyone into a homogeneous life forms without their consent
You destroy the Reapers and commit genocide against the Geth plus you murder your own friend

Regardless of the above you either vaporize billions/trillions in an instant as the Mass Relays blow or you doom billions/trillions to slow death by lack of supply due to the trade network being destroyed.

The problem is that Priority:Earth does not reflect the choices Shepard made. And choosing any of the three colors is Shepard giving up his (and the rest of the galaxies's) free will.

"Clarifying" things won't change the above.


To clarify: I want an ending that is the result of all the major decisions Shepard made.

Well said.

Thank you. I think it is a testament to the writers at Bioware that I can feel so passionately about a fictional universe. But the ending as it stands does them no favors.

[Chuvvy]

spacefiddle wrote...

I have a sinking feeling it's going to be "clarity to address concerns" like, "We understand people feel bad because they destroyed the Galaxy due to the implications of Relay destruction in Arrival. To clarify, these explosions are not the same due to Space Magic. You no longer have to feel bad about instantly wiping out trillions. Stop asking what the Turians eat."

That'll be ten dollars.


Plus tip.

[Gorfimus]

I know a lot of fans were fishing for a new ending or something happier and whatnot, but more clarity and closure were ultimately what I was after, so I'll wait and see what they produce.

[Nial Black-Knee]

Well, I'll wait and see. Whatever they come out with, I'll get and play. But if it's just more crap? I'll continue my new BW trend of not believing anything they say, that started with DA2.

They are not the small developer that listens and cares anymore. That is for certain. No matter how many times they try to convince you all that they still are. They are arrogant, dismissive and have repeatedly treated fans like tools. They sit there and smile as fans continuously blame EA for the decsions that BW makes. Wake up and smell the coffee people. They don't care unless they can make money!!!!!

[wright1978]

Unless they do something about changing the stupid railroading of the destruction of the relays and the stranding of the Normandy i'll be unimpressed. Adding closure and clarity is good but it has to come after they've created the variety in ending outcomes regarding at the very least these 2 aspects. Ideally they'd do a lot more expanding of endings

[TheWerdna]

Seryndras wrote...

TheWerdna wrote...

Honestly, I never expected Bioware to change the endings, that would be unfair to the people who did like them (no matter how much I or anyone else hates the endings, that would be selfish on our part)

Instead I think it is more reasonable to ask/hope for two things

Additional scenes explaining and expanding on the endings. What should be accomplished in this is to fill in plotholes, makes the endings more different from each other (show us the impact and effect they had), show more scenes with the other characters (giving more closure) and scenes showing the outcome some of our other choices. Also perhaps have a scene showing Shepard and LI reuniting in the ending where Shepard lives.

Then, in addition to this, add a couple of new endings. That way there are more choices and more outcomes, both good and bad. (something that would be beneficial to both people who liked the endings and those who didn't)

These two things would not only benefit those of us who dislike the endings (by giving closure and some more choices), while not upseting the people who were okay with the endings. This would be the most beneficial solution to all invovled.

I just gotta ask - who would force people to downloadm install and play alternative ending DLCs?

But bioware is a buisness, and if the DLC will be payed for, they are going to make something that people who liked the ending would also buy.

Now, I would much prefer a complete rewrite of the endings, I just don't think that is a very realistic possibility. As such I have placed my expecations and hopes on something much more likely.

[The Smitchens]

crimzontearz wrote...

I do not get it...explain to me WHY I should take their word on anything without ANY specifics on it

There's the possibility that they don't have specifics yet.  They've gotten a lot of feedback from this.  What feedback do they consider?  What do they disregard? 

Vromrig wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Man.
Bioware just can't win, can they? It's not like they specifically
said what they're going to do with the new content. They've announced
they're going to do something. It's not like they're going to divulge
every last spoiler or even if they've fully committed to one specific
direction to go. They're probably still weighing options, but at the
least have decided to take some sort of action.

I'll take it as a victory. I've been holding the line like a bastard, but damn.

Bioware can win.

Easily.  Not betraying entire game series to push philosophical message at last minute.

That seems to be unavoidable at this point.  But they've announced they're handling it.  I'm not suffereing from Stockholm syndrome here.  They've said they're going to heed our requests and give us something new. 

[Bantz]

The Smitchens wrote...

Man. Bioware just can't win, can they? It's not like they specifically said what they're going to do with the new content. They've announced they're going to do something. It's not like they're going to divulge every last spoiler or even if they've fully committed to one specific direction to go. They're probably still weighing options, but at the least have decided to take some sort of action.

I'll take it as a victory. I've been holding the line like a bastard, but damn.

when you had your fanbase a steamy pile of dog crap for an ending and proclaim how "proud you are of it" and deliberately go back on promises made regarding the game you lose a lot of goodwill. Bioware can earn back alot of faith from it's customers  but right now they have to understand that anything they say/do is going to be viewed VERY sceptically until we get the full release of information.

It's like if bioware came out and said "we're adding new dialog to the ending to please our fans!' and people got excited because they were going to give us the chance to question starchild, only to get the DLC and find out the added dialog is Anderson ordering a pizza right before the final battle. We need more info before bioware gets the "You're the man now dawg!" treatment.

[Saku39]

This is an existential threat for Bioware. We are so incensed, so insulted at this point, that half-assed cutscenes and plot holes filled with styrofoam popcorn are just going to be twisting the knife. We are going to stop buying your products if you **** us on this deal.

Guys, have some people who have played all 3 games play your new ending before you release it. You have to learn that lesson: just because you don't give a toss about the lore and the plot, doesn't mean your customers are as ambivalent as you. We paid money for this.

Make it right.

[spacefiddle]

....yeah, you know what?  Go look at the context of that ME tweet quoted by the OP.  All ME is responding to / publicising is glowing praise and pushing more MP.  And the tweet they responded to was someone ****ing about "caving to the whiners," to which the ME tweet assures them they "providing clarity, that's all."

It's clear who they're really reaching out to here.  They've decided to blind themselves.  It's a damn shame.  Returning my copy now.

[spiriticon]

Clarify and Closure is totally fine by me. It's Bioware's story, so I want Bioware to end as as they originally thought.

For some reason I don't think they meant the ending to be construed as 'Shephard destroying the entire galaxy with his last decision'. It was just poor presentation.