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[spiriticon]

Slidell505 wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

Clarify and Closure is totally fine by me. It's Bioware's story, so I want Bioware to end as as they originally thought.

For some reason I don't think they meant the ending to be construed as 'Shephard destroying the entire galaxy with his last decision'. It was just poor presentation.

I for one am very excited to see how they explain a green light turing everyone into robots, or the squad being on the normandy or how everyone on Omega didn't starve to death, or how the citadel got to th- Goddamn it, I'm back in anger again. Mother****er.

Control and Destroy I can accept but I too have never been an advocate of the Synthesis ending. That to me will never be explained in a million years.

[Bantz]

The Smitchens wrote...

Bantz wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Man. Bioware just can't win, can they? It's not like they specifically said what they're going to do with the new content. They've announced they're going to do something. It's not like they're going to divulge every last spoiler or even if they've fully committed to one specific direction to go. They're probably still weighing options, but at the least have decided to take some sort of action.

I'll take it as a victory. I've been holding the line like a bastard, but damn.

when you had your fanbase a steamy pile of dog crap for an ending and proclaim how "proud you are of it" and deliberately go back on promises made regarding the game you lose a lot of goodwill. Bioware can earn back alot of faith from it's customers  but right now they have to understand that anything they say/do is going to be viewed VERY sceptically until we get the full release of information.

It's like if bioware came out and said "we're adding new dialog to the ending to please our fans!' and people got excited because they were going to give us the chance to question starchild, only to get the DLC and find out the added dialog is Anderson ordering a pizza right before the final battle. We need more info before bioware gets the "You're the man now dawg!" treatment.

I'm not saying everyone needs to start kissing their ass.  But considering how much pessemism this one small announcement has garnered it just seems proprtionately out of whack.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but unfortunately that's the result of Biowares actions. I'd like for us all to be able to take them at their word and trust them to do the right thing. But they've shattered that faith.

[The Smitchens]

Scalpels wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

I'm not saying everyone needs to start kissing their ass.  But considering how much pessemism this one small announcement has garnered it just seems proprtionately out of whack.

Many people, including myself, have lost faith in Bioware. Some have lost it from just ME3's ending. Some have lost it over time since ME2, DA:O day 1 Dlc, DA2 and ME3.

The challenge is for Bioware to fulfill the promises they made in interviews and via press releases. They have to prove again that they are still the company they were before EA bought them.

This is not something that can be fixed by adding scenes explaining what occurs on the Citadel or what happens to your crew.

And I can agree with that completely.  If the additional content comes out and we're left in the exact same circumstances or disappointingly close then I will express my dissatisfaction.  But right now we don't have a basis for any kind of accusation.  So I don't see the point in so much pessemism.  We've gotten their attention and they've addressed it and announced they're doing something about it.  What more do people want for being 2 weeks into ME3's release.

Bethesda didn't assess Fallout's ending nearly as quickly.

[Titan_HQ]

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

Drxx wrote...

Abirn wrote...

That's what I
wanted. It was never about getting a "happy" ending, its about getting
an ending that isn't filled with plotholes and explains the whole
catalyst/reaper thing in more detail.

 

Speak for yourself.
I want happy ending

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

When this content comes out, then
we'll actually see if they were "listening." I have a bad feeling that
it will be more along the lines of Bioware defending themselves than
actually taking fan critique into consideration. -- i.e., "No, you guys
got it all wrong. This is why it's awesome!"

BringBackNihlus wrote...



As Miranda would say on the Collector Ship, "this is disconcerting."

I just thought I would quote all the posts which, together, accurately sum up my feelings.
I love being part of this group, you're all pretty awesome.

[Skyblade012]

The Smitchens wrote...

Bantz wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Man. Bioware just can't win, can they? It's not like they specifically said what they're going to do with the new content. They've announced they're going to do something. It's not like they're going to divulge every last spoiler or even if they've fully committed to one specific direction to go. They're probably still weighing options, but at the least have decided to take some sort of action.

I'll take it as a victory. I've been holding the line like a bastard, but damn.

when you had your fanbase a steamy pile of dog crap for an ending and proclaim how "proud you are of it" and deliberately go back on promises made regarding the game you lose a lot of goodwill. Bioware can earn back alot of faith from it's customers  but right now they have to understand that anything they say/do is going to be viewed VERY sceptically until we get the full release of information.

It's like if bioware came out and said "we're adding new dialog to the ending to please our fans!' and people got excited because they were going to give us the chance to question starchild, only to get the DLC and find out the added dialog is Anderson ordering a pizza right before the final battle. We need more info before bioware gets the "You're the man now dawg!" treatment.

I'm not saying everyone needs to start kissing their ass.  But considering how much pessemism this one small announcement has garnered it just seems proprtionately out of whack.

Their announcement is met with pessimism because it is addressing the wrong problems.  They still haven't admitted anything wrong with their old ending, they are just announcing that they are going to expand it some.  That doesn't fill us with hope that any of the hundreds of problems with it are going to be fixed.

[Catroi]

We're going to pay 9$ for text boxes huzzah!!

[iTofu]

It's kind of expected. BioWare has never given any reason to believe that the ending would be altered.

For fans who really want the ending altered, just keep the pressure on and keep sending the constructive criticism to EA/Bioware. Hopefully, PAX helps put more pressure on too.

TheJediSaint wrote...

Eh, if Bioware can make the ending make sense, I'll be satisfied.

The plot holes are going to be hard to fill. Nonetheless, I would agree if it made sense, fit with the story and provided closure I would be satisified. My personal issue with the ending is that it runs contrary to the Shepard character we've seen in the past three games and I don't think that can be fixed without alteration. Shepard's character is built upon finding his own path, finding a solution on his terms and delivering upon his solution against impossible odds.

Shepard meets the Star Child, the creator and representative of the reapers, who gives three absolute choices. Shepard just accepts, without any argument, and chooses one. Two of the choices are ideas Shepard formerly rejected from Saren and TIM. Leaving one, if you're a paragon, anhilation of entire species of allies that you've worked hard to forge a friendship and peace with. It all seems contrary to Shepard. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there can be a paralel made with all those Batarians Shep killed.  It just doesn't seem right.

Modifié par iTofu, 23 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[KeilxKey]

I can't believe, after all the "we're listening to you" posts they're still NOT listening!

All I want is the different endings they promised.

[TomPFloyd]

spz123 wrote...

Once again people jumping to conclusions over a vague statement. They are doing something and I'll remain open-minded about it until I see it.

I agree with this sane post entirely. Glad to see there are a few in this thread at least.

[crimzontearz]

Smitchens

they at least MUST have an idea on general course of action.

"Do we just explain things or do we offer alternatives and expansions?"

not even that was addressed AND thehy promised some very specific things before without delivering I can only imagine what they would do with non specific promises

[Giantdeathrobot]

I guess it's better than nothing, and as far as they can go for DLC. I would still prefer they entirely scrap the ending, but if we can get some explanations, plot holes closed and an epilogue it would be fair. At the very least change what happens to the Normandy. Pretty please.

[cuzsal]

Modifié par cuzsal, 23 mars 2012 - 06:17 .

[The Smitchens]

Skyblade012 wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Bantz wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Man. Bioware just can't win, can they? It's not like they specifically said what they're going to do with the new content. They've announced they're going to do something. It's not like they're going to divulge every last spoiler or even if they've fully committed to one specific direction to go. They're probably still weighing options, but at the least have decided to take some sort of action.

I'll take it as a victory. I've been holding the line like a bastard, but damn.

when you had your fanbase a steamy pile of dog crap for an ending and proclaim how "proud you are of it" and deliberately go back on promises made regarding the game you lose a lot of goodwill. Bioware can earn back alot of faith from it's customers  but right now they have to understand that anything they say/do is going to be viewed VERY sceptically until we get the full release of information.

It's like if bioware came out and said "we're adding new dialog to the ending to please our fans!' and people got excited because they were going to give us the chance to question starchild, only to get the DLC and find out the added dialog is Anderson ordering a pizza right before the final battle. We need more info before bioware gets the "You're the man now dawg!" treatment.

I'm not saying everyone needs to start kissing their ass.  But considering how much pessemism this one small announcement has garnered it just seems proprtionately out of whack.

Their announcement is met with pessimism because it is addressing the wrong problems.  They still haven't admitted anything wrong with their old ending, they are just announcing that they are going to expand it some.  That doesn't fill us with hope that any of the hundreds of problems with it are going to be fixed.

We don't know how they're going to expand it though.  Maybe they will completely rework the ending.  Maybe it will involve giving the star child the business end of a boot.  Or maybe they'll just bukkake us with more confusion.  I have no clue.  Regardless.  They've said they're doing at least something because we've requested it so.

The real problem right now is people just don't like how they've worded it and that's just trivial.  Wordings don't matter.  Results matter and we're just going to have to wait for those.

[KelaSaar]

I agree, adding "clarity" and "closure" to a bad ending, still leaves you with a bad ending.

[Evil_medved]

I bet my hairy ass, they just gonna add some text right after "Your a winner, buy more stuff!".

[Scalpels]

The Smitchens wrote...

Scalpels wrote...

Many people, including myself, have lost faith in Bioware. Some have lost it from just ME3's ending. Some have lost it over time since ME2, DA:O day 1 Dlc, DA2 and ME3.

The challenge is for Bioware to fulfill the promises they made in interviews and via press releases. They have to prove again that they are still the company they were before EA bought them.

This is not something that can be fixed by adding scenes explaining what occurs on the Citadel or what happens to your crew.

And I can agree with that completely.  If the additional content comes out and we're left in the exact same circumstances or disappointingly close then I will express my dissatisfaction.  But right now we don't have a basis for any kind of accusation.  So I don't see the point in so much pessemism.  We've gotten their attention and they've addressed it and announced they're doing something about it.  What more do people want for being 2 weeks into ME3's release.

Bethesda didn't assess Fallout's ending nearly as quickly.

I see what you mean. Wait for them to release the DLC before passing judgement.

I think, at the moment, people are disatisfied with the level of communication and they are not heartened by the official announcements only pushing the "clarity" and "closure" angles. I can only speak for myself, but I think it is important to make sure that these two angles are not the only issues addressed. The primary issue (and the hardest/most expensive to resolve) is the one of choice.

If they added "choice" into their announcements it would go a long way. "Clarity" and "closure" imply that the ending (singular) will not be changed. "Choice" would go a long way to addressing the primary issue: We were promised 16 changes based upon our choices from earlier games. We were given 3 choices that lead to one ending (Galactic Holocaust/Dark Age) that were based on what the Star Child gave us.

[cyric085]

thats what i feared

they try to justify this cheap ending with spacemagic or other crap they pull out on last minute.

and even charge for it, what a joke bioware

[Srefanius]

Well, I think there is no news. This was clear since Rays blogpost, where he said they want to give closure, but won't really change their art product.

[Almostfaceman]

TomPFloyd wrote...

spz123 wrote...

Once again people jumping to conclusions over a vague statement. They are doing something and I'll remain open-minded about it until I see it.

I agree with this sane post entirely. Glad to see there are a few in this thread at least.

It's fine you have a different opinion, calling those who don't agree with you insane is a bit rude so you may want to stop that.

[Brahlis]

Eh, Bioware is a lost cause.

If "clarification" is truly what they're working on as far as ending content, they've lost me as a customer for life.

Modifié par Brahlis, 23 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[ElcorAmbassador]

I really think shepard's on the normandy... that rubble where shep takes his breath? Somewhere inside the ship. You see the squadmates you chose as your final squad inside the normandy because your on the normandy as well...

[lijygr]

I made a comment on this:

@masseffect
@flashyandy We are creating new content to clarify and add closure as per the request of many loyal fans! That's all.


@lijygrME
@masseffect @flashyandy You still didn't get it, do you? 90% of fans hate the endings."Clarify" the senseless endings will NOT do here.


And you know what? They deleted it in couple of minutes! Oh, Bioware, I'm loosing trust in you more and more every minute. Seems that you gonna blow it second (and last) time in a row!

Modifié par lijygr, 23 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[ShinAnubisXIII]

I agree with a lot of ppl here. You just cannot 'clarify' that atrocity they call ending(s). Do it right (that is to say replace them entirely) or don't do it at all and risk losing a lot of long term fans I say...

[bly2425]

I would actually be fine if they really make the story check out and tell us what happened to everybody.

[savionen]

I don't really understand why having lots of different choices/endings is an issue.

If they do make a Mass Effect 4 they can always say "-THIS- is the canon version." If they do it thousands of years after ME3 most of the choices you've made won't really be relevant anymore anyway. The Geth could have been wiped out, but come back, the Krogan could have found their own Genophage cure, ore slowly killed themselves anyway, etc.

Modifié par savionen, 23 mars 2012 - 06:21 .