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[spirosz]

What do you guys really expect them to do? Re-animate the whole ending, record new voice acting for the ending, they're not going to change anything - as sad as it sounds. They're going to work off what is already there.

[SaladinDheonqar]

Oh Bioware and their selective hearing. It seems that you didn't even listen to the constructive criticism. I hope this becomes more concrete before Amazon's 30 day guarantee passes.

Modifié par SaladinDheonqar, 23 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[The Smitchens]

Scalpels wrote...

I see what you mean. Wait for them to release the DLC before passing judgement.

I think, at the moment, people are disatisfied with the level of communication and they are not heartened by the official announcements only pushing the "clarity" and "closure" angles. I can only speak for myself, but I think it is important to make sure that these two angles are not the only issues addressed. The primary issue (and the hardest/most expensive to resolve) is the one of choice.

If they added "choice" into their announcements it would go a long way. "Clarity" and "closure" imply that the ending (singular) will not be changed. "Choice" would go a long way to addressing the primary issue: We were promised 16 changes based upon our choices from earlier games. We were given 3 choices that lead to one ending (Galactic Holocaust/Dark Age) that were based on what the Star Child gave us.

Most people, I think, don't understand how statements work.  There are a lot of legalities involved and it's a really fine line as to what you are allowed to say.  I don't know 100% if this is the case here, but when it comes to announcing things they usually come with what's called an embargoed date.

That means that legally people aren't allowed to spill any kind of details on something until X date has been reached.  Consequences can be as simple as someone losing their job or as vast as a law suit.

What they're probably doing is just trying to keep everyone level headed and hopeful for future content while not breaking their rules.  You can see how well that's working out so far.  I don't mean this as offense, but I think a lot of people don't want to wait any longer, but we don't get that option.  We have to.  All this has done thus far is make it worse on ourselves.

[Vromrig]

Not holding breath. But, retaining faith.

Still, liquor on standby. Holding the line, all the same.

Like Kirrahe, but less enthusiasm.

[Reginthorn]

 All I ask for is... "closure". Not a new ending, but an explanation to what the **** happened in those last ten minutes. 

[comrade gando]

I think they planned this all along. I think by "clarify" they mean extend what happened after the indoctrination sequence, and depending on your choice durin the false ending if you then play as an indoctrinated shepard or normal shepard. Maybe the entire dlc will be a shadow broker quality gameplay segment dealing with shepard's final struggle against harbinger's mind tricks, as well as an ultimate showdown followed by proper closure and either the saving of the galaxy or utter destruction of it. Mix in squadmate interaction to deliver an equally epic experience as the end of ME2, complete with multiple endings (the 16 bioware told us about).

Pure shot in the dark, just what Im hoping for.

[HairyMadDog1010]

As long as they "clarify" shep finding the normady planet and bring the crew back to earth, I will be fine.

[Balmung31]

Drxx wrote...

Abirn wrote...

That's what I wanted. It was never about getting a "happy" ending, its about getting an ending that isn't filled with plotholes and explains the whole catalyst/reaper thing in more detail.

 

Speak for yourself.
I want happy ending

What he said.  Screw Shepard only dying in all endings. 

[-Skorpious-]

spiros9110 wrote...

What do you guys really expect them to do? Re-animate the whole ending, record new voice acting for the ending, they're not going to change anything - as sad as it sounds. They're going to work off what is already there.

We expect them to give 100% in regards to satisfying their customers; any less is unacceptable. 

[Vilegrim]

as long as by 'clarify' you mean change completely.

[Evil_medved]

Vromrig wrote...

Not holding breath. But, retaining faith.

Still, liquor on standby. Holding the line, all the same.

Like Kirrahe, but less enthusiasm.

Mine enthusiasm is already below zero at this point. <_< They can't produce nothing but failure now, just watch.

[frostajulie]

comrade gando wrote...

I think they planned this all along. I think by "clarify" they mean extend what happened after the indoctrination sequence, and depending on your choice durin the false ending if you then play as an indoctrinated shepard or normal shepard. Maybe the entire dlc will be a shadow broker quality gameplay segment dealing with shepard's final struggle against harbinger's mind tricks, as well as an ultimate showdown followed by proper closure and either the saving of the galaxy or utter destruction of it. Mix in squadmate interaction to deliver an equally epic experience as the end of ME2, complete with multiple endings (the 16 bioware told us about).

Pure shot in the dark, just what Im hoping for.

I will 2nd this.

[Verin_Matvin]

Well, I fear that at PAX they'll just give us a patch (best expectation) that will put some cut out scenes and some clarifications on their idea, be it indoctrination or something else.
And then say "see you in some DLCs" that would extend the ending as it was probably planed but some months and $ later.

[mattylee10]

Cautiously optimistic that Bioware will get this right and we will get the ending the series deserves complete with more choice and less plotholes / wtf moments.
Will wait for more details before joining the ragefest.

[Alamar2078]

"Clarify" and "Closure" definitely aren't what I want.

I want multiple [like MANY] truely divergent endings. I want choices to matter every second of the ending / epilogue. I want a kick-butt epilogues showing 1 day, 1 year, 5 year, 20 years, 100 years, and 50,000 years in the future ....

I don't want any more space magic, any endings sending messages "destroying diversity to avoid conflict" is a valid way to end things, etc.

[Aetika]

They seem quite determined to keep the actual ending AND to keep all those unhappy fans at the same time. Not sure if it´s possible.But what do we know, maybe they will come up with something that will be good(wishful thinking). Who knows...

[Bfler]

Don't give up hope until we see what they deliver to us.

[LolaLei]

I found this post from ME twitter:

ME: @socrates92 Both Casey and Ray's statements say we will release additional content to address questions, not necessarily alter anything.

So I replied to that with the following: @masseffect Then they haven't been listening properly to our feedback. We want the endings to reflect our choices, like DA:O did

... They ignored me lol.

[spirosz]

-Skorpious- wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

What do you guys really expect them to do? Re-animate the whole ending, record new voice acting for the ending, they're not going to change anything - as sad as it sounds. They're going to work off what is already there.

We expect them to give 100% in regards to satisfying their customers; any less is unacceptable.

Be realistic, if they were to give 100% to their fans, they wouldn't of done what they did originally. I don't even expect them to deliver well on this DLC, what's stopping them from doing this again for future products, just to shell off more cash from "loyal" fans.

[Iakus]

i don't want DLC that just tells me "You didn't get how awesome we are"

I want endings. Happy endings. Sad endings. Hopeful endings. But most of all endings that make sense in the context of the entire trilogy. Not just  "Shepard on a bad acid trip".

Modifié par iakus, 23 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[nevar00]

Clarify? The ending is unsalvageable. That boat is so riddled with plot holes that it's best to let it sink and pretend it never happened: and that's just one issue.

I'm really not expecting much from this.

Modifié par nevar00, 23 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[Scalpels]

The Smitchens wrote...

Most people, I think, don't understand how statements work.  There are a lot of legalities involved and it's a really fine line as to what you are allowed to say.  I don't know 100% if this is the case here, but when it comes to announcing things they usually come with what's called an embargoed date.

That means that legally people aren't allowed to spill any kind of details on something until X date has been reached.  Consequences can be as simple as someone losing their job or as vast as a law suit.

What they're probably doing is just trying to keep everyone level headed and hopeful for future content while not breaking their rules.  You can see how well that's working out so far.  I don't mean this as offense, but I think a lot of people don't want to wait any longer, but we don't get that option.  We have to.  All this has done thus far is make it worse on ourselves.

I can agree to that. I work in a similar industry and I manage these types of statements (on a smaller scale) on a regular basis. They must be very careful with what they say.

This won't be resolved in April. I expect that we'll get a statement on what is feasible for them to provide and how much it will cost us. If they only add a slideshow denouement we might get a closure before Comic Con San Diego. If they actually provide a full write of the ending like some have asked; I don't think we'll see it until winter or next spring.

[ThePanzer99]

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

Exactly. The core issue is there's only one ending: galactic dark age. And Shepard is the one who pulls the trigger on it. My Shepard wouldn't do it, nor would many of the people unhappy with the game. My Shepard would go down swinging similar to the Protheans before creating a "victory" only marginally better than defeat.

Bioware obviously wants the dark age as cannon. Even though it invalidates all player decisions across the franchise leading up to it. Even though it's against the tone of the series in prevailing against impossible odds. 

[SimonM72]

What was the extent of the Broken Steel™ expansion pack?.

New story progression / resolution?, FMV animations?, further gameplay?.
Sounds to me (considering this mess) that Bioware should be considering something at least to that extent considering the staff and money resources at its disposal.

Modifié par SimonM72, 23 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[Nostradamoose]

Clarify and closure.

I'd actually stand behind that.