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[Amagoi]

Vromrig wrote...

Not holding breath. But, retaining faith.

Still, liquor on standby. Holding the line, all the same.

Like Kirrahe, but less enthusiasm.

Like holding the line when there's a possiblity of Krogan infantry on the other hill?

[Ilzairspar]

TheWerdna wrote...

Honestly, I never expected Bioware to change the endings, that would be unfair to the people who did like them (no matter how much I or anyone else hates the endings, that would be selfish on our part)

Instead I think it is more reasonable to ask/hope for two things

Additional scenes explaining and expanding on the endings. What should be accomplished in this is to fill in plotholes, makes the endings more different from each other (show us the impact and effect they had), show more scenes with the other characters (giving more closure) and scenes showing the outcome some of our other choices. Also perhaps have a scene showing Shepard and LI reuniting in the ending where Shepard lives.

Then, in addition to this, add a couple of new endings. That way there are more choices and more outcomes, both good and bad. (something that would be beneficial to both people who liked the endings and those who didn't)

These two things would not only benefit those of us who dislike the endings (by giving closure and some more choices), while not upseting the people who were okay with the endings. This would be the most beneficial solution to all invovled.

Exactly

You've just explained things alot better than I did a few pages back.    we all wanted the (as I keep referring to them) three "C's"  Clarity, Closure, and Choice.  

Explain things better, let us argue with the Starbrat, since you need to keep him for those who liked the original endings(clarity).  Give us the options to give us a "happy" ending (Paragon Shep Lives, since we technically have a Renegade one already,) and even an everything you did fails and the Reapers win (Choice).  Then give us the closure, by letting us know a bit more about what happens afterwards... 

Modifié par Ilzairspar, 23 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[C Trayne]

this is there attempt to quiet the fans while doing as little work as possible. People have been arguing for new endings that FIT WITH THE SERIES. But that's not what bioware wants to do so they're not going to do it and try to twist it so it sounds like they're actually doing something. While this is a step in is not a victory in my eyes because they whole god-child scene is what is wrong with the endings. I don't want more clarity about that, I want an ending that goes with the trilogy and what we have been working for.
Hold The Line

[Jorina Leto]

I do not want an explanation of the starchild.
I want it removed and the entire sequence after Anderson's death must be replaced with something that makes sense (and the indoctrination theory doesn't make no sense, too), for free.

If we do not get a propper ending there is only one thing to do:

HOLD THE LINE FOREVER!

Modifié par Jorina Leto, 23 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[ebevan91]

LolaLei wrote...

I found this post from ME twitter:

ME: @socrates92 Both Casey and Ray's statements say we will release additional content to address questions, not necessarily alter anything.

So I replied to that with the following: @masseffect Then they haven't been listening properly to our feedback. We want the endings to reflect our choices, like DA:O did

... They ignored me lol.

You do realize just because they don't answer you, that doesn't mean they are ignoring you.

THOUSANDS of people are tweeting to @masseffect, you can't expect whoever's behind that Twitter account to reply to every single tweet.

[Porfirmir]

So....they're going to clarify that the ending is bad and provide closure to my decision not to buy their products in the future? Wonderful.

[dos1990]

well they are about to lose lots of loyal customers over this!

[Vromrig]

Like holding the line when there's a possiblity of Krogan infantry on the other hill?

Only thing we can do. Ending too detrimental, too poorly written.

Would rather die fighting, however.

[Nelzeben]

Unsurprising. The problem is that many things simply cannot be explained without either ignoring already established canon or shamelessly making up some nonsense. (As in: the Normandy suddenly had to go on a super secret mission that nobody ever mentioned, that's why Joker was going through that Mass Relay; or something to that effect.) The third option being that they just continue ignoring the most obnoxious plot holes.

[AttaBoyTroy]

ebevan91 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I found this post from ME twitter:

ME: @socrates92 Both Casey and Ray's statements say we will release additional content to address questions, not necessarily alter anything.

So I replied to that with the following: @masseffect Then they haven't been listening properly to our feedback. We want the endings to reflect our choices, like DA:O did

... They ignored me lol.

You do realize just because they don't answer you, that doesn't mean they are ignoring you.

THOUSANDS of people are tweeting to @masseffect, you can't expect whoever's behind that Twitter account to reply to every single tweet.

Whoa, whoa, keep your reasonable logic out of here!

[Romaka]

From everything I read about the ending this is what I expected.  It is not 16 endings but it was still a good amount.

1. Best Ending - Reapers Defeated, Remains of galactic civilization can rebuild. Mourning of lost friends.  Shepard lives and finally gets a chance to rest.  LI can factor into it if one is chosen.

2. Variation of Good and Bad

3. Variation of Good and Bad

Here is where the current ending can be:

4. Destroy Ending

5. Control Ending

6. Synthesis Ending

7. Variation of Bad and Good

8. Worst Ending - Shepard ultimately fails.  Repears not stopped and the cycle continues.

This is what I thought I was going to get.  From the board this is what most people thought as well.  In the end this is not what we got.  It just does not fit that we only got to choose from destroy, control and synthesis.

[Nardy86]

Hmm might aswell wait and see but if 'clarity and closure' is all they're saying and is all we get I can only assume Bioware are saying: "Hey guys, remember we screwed you on the endings?...yeah, well bend over, assume the position. Now, you may feel slight discomfort as we enter this massive wang of PR talk and artistic credibility firmly up your already tender rectum and proceed to thrust violently. Shafted.

And if they charge us that'll be the 'moneyshot' so to speak. I hope against hope that isnt the case...

[LolaLei]

ebevan91 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I found this post from ME twitter:

ME: @socrates92 Both Casey and Ray's statements say we will release additional content to address questions, not necessarily alter anything.

So I replied to that with the following: @masseffect Then they haven't been listening properly to our feedback. We want the endings to reflect our choices, like DA:O did

... They ignored me lol.

You do realize just because they don't answer you, that doesn't mean they are ignoring you.

THOUSANDS of people are tweeting to @masseffect, you can't expect whoever's behind that Twitter account to reply to every single tweet.

Lighten up love, I didn't expect them to reply to me anyway. The point of my post was to show everyone a tweet that I found interesting.

[Twisted and Mean]

Why am I getting the feeling we might get the very same endings with arrows pointing to different things and labels "this is space magic"? I mean that would definitely explain a lot of things.

I understand why they phrase it that way, it's done to avoid any commitment. But it just pisses the already unsatisfied players off once again.

[Amagoi]

Vromrig wrote...

Like holding the line when there's a possiblity of Krogan infantry on the other hill?

Only thing we can do. Ending too detrimental, too poorly written.

Would rather die fighting, however.

Sentiment mutual. Now I think I need to prepare some liquor also.

[Coolfaec]

JohnnyG wrote...

Sigh. I think this might be a case of them hearing what they want to hear.

Yep, I'd say about 30% of the people in the movement had that exact same case...

It sucks, we're making good progress, but it seems like people are just going to crap out half way through.

[GholaHalleck]

honestly... all this does is remind me of the Fargo blog post when people went after that other gaming company that starts with B about them favoring one side over the other.

"there's no problem, you're just not seeing it right, now I'll talk about stuff no one was complaining about!"

[Deventh]

Yep they listen to what they want to listen and not really hearing the real issue.

Modifié par Deventh, 23 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Evil_medved]

Deventh wrote...

Yep they listen to what they want to listen and not really hearing the real issue.

Haha, you wish.

[MPSai]

Clarifying the plotholes as opposed to overwriting them wouldn't be a good thing... I suppose this means they're taking the lazy way out. Goodnight, sweet Bioware, it was good while it lasted.

[Controller_B]

Closure is fine. Clarification is trash. Although I hope that in trying to clarify the ending, they realize just how much they screwed up and go a different direction

Modifié par Controller_B, 23 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[The Smitchens]

Scalpels wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Most people, I think, don't understand how statements work.  There are a lot of legalities involved and it's a really fine line as to what you are allowed to say.  I don't know 100% if this is the case here, but when it comes to announcing things they usually come with what's called an embargoed date.

That means that legally people aren't allowed to spill any kind of details on something until X date has been reached.  Consequences can be as simple as someone losing their job or as vast as a law suit.

What they're probably doing is just trying to keep everyone level headed and hopeful for future content while not breaking their rules.  You can see how well that's working out so far.  I don't mean this as offense, but I think a lot of people don't want to wait any longer, but we don't get that option.  We have to.  All this has done thus far is make it worse on ourselves.

I can agree to that. I work in a similar industry and I manage these types of statements (on a smaller scale) on a regular basis. They must be very careful with what they say.

This won't be resolved in April. I expect that we'll get a statement on what is feasible for them to provide and how much it will cost us. If they only add a slideshow denouement we might get a closure before Comic Con San Diego. If they actually provide a full write of the ending like some have asked; I don't think we'll see it until winter or next spring.

Yeah.  I imagine they'll address it to some extent at PAX, but fuller details... yeah.  It'll be a while.  Depends on how big of a project they make out of it.  On the plus side the bigger they make it the more likely it'll be done satisfactorily to the fans.

Just so that I don't come off like I'm just picking on everyone.  I would very much like to see substantial changes as well.  Gameplay that continues after the whole catalyst.  Multiple endings, both happier and sadder, good and evil.  Despite my stance on this particular topic I assure you I am quite concerned with what their next move is.  Like everyone else I stand the same chance to be displeased with their results.

But there's only so much they can do with a simple announcement (a tweet and all its 140 characters no less).  As Myzuka (or however his name is spelled) commented the more professional the feedback the more interested they are in considering it.  I don't think this thread is a model for that.

[wright1978]

LolaLei wrote...

I found this post from ME twitter:

ME: @socrates92 Both Casey and Ray's statements say we will release additional content to address questions, not necessarily alter anything.

So I replied to that with the following: @masseffect Then they haven't been listening properly to our feedback. We want the endings to reflect our choices, like DA:O did

... They ignored me lol.

Why do i get the feeling they aren't taking the issue at all seriously. Seems they are just going to try and explain why their awful railroaded ending is wonderful rather than taking on baord feedback and making changes.

[Aweus]

That twitt is just copypasta from Ray Muzyka's blog. I think the whole thing is still on the drawing board. I highly doubt they will CHANGE the endings but there is still some hope they will add something new aside from more closure to current options. Lets remain civil, keep voicing our opinions and wait what they will say next month. Hold the line!

[Texhnolyze101]

RLesueur wrote...

This is a good thing. Some people are just never satisfied. :/

And people like you are pathetically easily satisfied.