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[Zuka999]

I hope this is a case of not being able to fit anything meaningful into a statement because Twitter is for people with ADD.

[Headcount]

For the life of me, I can't see them screwing the ending up twice. If they can't smooth this over in a meaningful way, Bioware will be back to square one and the entire mess that tiggered this (a bad and stupid ending) will start up again. They know the situation they're in but they're stuck on PR speak. Just wait and see.

[LolaLei]

wright1978 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I found this post from ME twitter:

ME: @socrates92 Both Casey and Ray's statements say we will release additional content to address questions, not necessarily alter anything.

So I replied to that with the following: @masseffect Then they haven't been listening properly to our feedback. We want the endings to reflect our choices, like DA:O did

... They ignored me lol.

Why do i get the feeling they aren't taking the issue at all seriously. Seems they are just going to try and explain why their awful railroaded ending is wonderful rather than taking on baord feedback and making changes.

I'm worried about that too. I'm expecting that we will be given extra dialogue with the star kid that they probably cut out from the original scene and some slider epilogue telling us that the Normandy crew populated a new colony, Kaidan shot himself in the face after being forced to copulate with Allers and Shepard ends up forever alone lol.

Modifié par LolaLei, 23 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[lordmorbus]

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

Amen brother... preach on! lol

[Deadly Sniper Goat]

I'm willing to give them a chance on this.

If it's just bulking up the extant endings, though...

I want closure, I want things to make sense. But I also want the fact that I worked my ass off in both single and multi-player to prepare the galaxy to shove one up the Reapers to matter beyond getting new color options for my ending.

[Funkcase]

There appears to be two threads on this very topic, and I assume many more. This whole thing is so unorganised it's giving me a headache, and I actually support it.

[Aweus]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

I like how the closure/plot-hole people are now fighting againts the happy ending people... I had seen that coming. In my opinion only the closure/plot-hole people were right. And I'm confident that BioWare will be able to keep it's ending true to what they were meant to be and add more closure and depth to it.

There are also options people. Currently the final decission doesnt really give you any options. The choice seems big but the consequences feel mostly same. IF they will be able to expand three current endings to the point where they feel very different I may get a feeling of some satisfaction. But having a couple more new options would be something easiest to bank on.

[Merwanor]

All I want is an ending that does not spit in your face saying that everything you have strived for, all the choices you have made are completly pointless as it all ends in disaster anyways. We did not get a "bittersweet" ending. We just got 3 endings that ends horribly wrong.

It is like ending Star Wars with Luke turning to the Dark side, like ending avatar with the humans getting chased of the planet but they deside to nuke it to crap afterwards. If Shepard died, but his sacrifice actually saved the rest of the galaxy it would have been bittersweet. The destruction of the relays and such is just a stupid consequence showed in our face for dramatic effect.

[Ilzairspar]

Amagoi wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

Like holding the line when there's a possiblity of Krogan infantry on the other hill?

Only thing we can do. Ending too detrimental, too poorly written.

Would rather die fighting, however.

Sentiment mutual. Now I think I need to prepare some liquor also.

Readying my Tequila and Captain Morgan for April...Though I might go with Jack's Honey Wiskey for some variety.

And in May if it is as bad as we fear (and hope that we are overreacting) then I've got a week in Mexico to completely forget about Commander Shapard and Bioware..

[Midarenkov]

Aweus wrote...

That twitt is just copypasta from Ray Muzyka's blog. (...)

That's a reasonable possibility, but it is then important that we point out how poorly it reflects our views.

[Midarenkov]

Ilzairspar wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

Like holding the line when there's a possiblity of Krogan infantry on the other hill?

Only thing we can do. Ending too detrimental, too poorly written.

Would rather die fighting, however.

Sentiment mutual. Now I think I need to prepare some liquor also.

Readying my Tequila and Captain Morgan for April...Though I might go with Jack's Honey Wiskey for some variety.

And in May if it is as bad as we fear (and hope that we are overreacting) then I've got a week in Mexico to completely forget about Commander Shapard and Bioware..

I'm partial to Laphroaig.

[stargatefan1990]

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

[Scalpels]

The Smitchens wrote...

Scalpels wrote...

I can agree to that. I work in a similar industry and I manage these types of statements (on a smaller scale) on a regular basis. They must be very careful with what they say.

This won't be resolved in April. I expect that we'll get a statement on what is feasible for them to provide and how much it will cost us. If they only add a slideshow denouement we might get a closure before Comic Con San Diego. If they actually provide a full write of the ending like some have asked; I don't think we'll see it until winter or next spring.

Yeah.  I imagine they'll address it to some extent at PAX, but fuller details... yeah.  It'll be a while.  Depends on how big of a project they make out of it.  On the plus side the bigger they make it the more likely it'll be done satisfactorily to the fans.

Just so that I don't come off like I'm just picking on everyone.  I would very much like to see substantial changes as well.  Gameplay that continues after the whole catalyst.  Multiple endings, both happier and sadder, good and evil.  Despite my stance on this particular topic I assure you I am quite concerned with what their next move is.  Like everyone else I stand the same chance to be displeased with their results.

But there's only so much they can do with a simple announcement (a tweet and all its 140 characters no less).  As Myzuka (or however his name is spelled) commented the more professional the feedback the more interested they are in considering it.  I don't think this thread is a model for that.

Quoted and bolded for truth. This adds to the difficulty of Bioware delivering what the community wants.

[tjc2]

I doubt they would do it, but basically I want them to delete the game files after you get hit with the laser from Harbinger!

[panamakira]

I'm not exactly expecting much but I think we have to be fair in this and we're gonna have to compromise.

Heck, I'm surprised enough they're even attempting of doing anything at all so for now....let's just wait for the content before we start judging it people.

Modifié par panamakira, 23 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[RiouHotaru]

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

Except if the clarification explains that the ending isn't nihilistic or torturous, or that the "dark age" isn't quite as grimdark as you all assume, then what?

[Eterna]

If it wasn't self entitlement before it certainly is now.

[tjc2]

Midarenkov wrote...

Ilzairspar wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

Like holding the line when there's a possiblity of Krogan infantry on the other hill?

Only thing we can do. Ending too detrimental, too poorly written.

Would rather die fighting, however.

Sentiment mutual. Now I think I need to prepare some liquor also.

Readying my Tequila and Captain Morgan for April...Though I might go with Jack's Honey Wiskey for some variety.

And in May if it is as bad as we fear (and hope that we are overreacting) then I've got a week in Mexico to completely forget about Commander Shapard and Bioware..

I'm partial to Laphroaig.

Lagavulin, nuff said:devil:

[The Smitchens]

Scalpels wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Scalpels wrote...

I can agree to that. I work in a similar industry and I manage these types of statements (on a smaller scale) on a regular basis. They must be very careful with what they say.

This won't be resolved in April. I expect that we'll get a statement on what is feasible for them to provide and how much it will cost us. If they only add a slideshow denouement we might get a closure before Comic Con San Diego. If they actually provide a full write of the ending like some have asked; I don't think we'll see it until winter or next spring.

Yeah.  I imagine they'll address it to some extent at PAX, but fuller details... yeah.  It'll be a while.  Depends on how big of a project they make out of it.  On the plus side the bigger they make it the more likely it'll be done satisfactorily to the fans.

Just so that I don't come off like I'm just picking on everyone.  I would very much like to see substantial changes as well.  Gameplay that continues after the whole catalyst.  Multiple endings, both happier and sadder, good and evil.  Despite my stance on this particular topic I assure you I am quite concerned with what their next move is.  Like everyone else I stand the same chance to be displeased with their results.

But there's only so much they can do with a simple announcement (a tweet and all its 140 characters no less).  As Myzuka (or however his name is spelled) commented the more professional the feedback the more interested they are in considering it.  I don't think this thread is a model for that.

Quoted and bolded for truth. This adds to the difficulty of Bioware delivering what the community wants.

Thank you, sir.

[raeting]

Well, they are going to try to fix it. I can't be pissed at them for that. I doubt it'll be exactly what I want, but that's ok. As long as I can sit back after seeing it and say to myself "Yeah, they put some effort in there, and things are clearer", then all good.

I am pretty positive I'll be able to do that, honestly.

[Yokokorama]

Honestly, the way they phrased it makes me think its going to be a Dragon Age: Origins power point slide at the end.  I really hope they aren't going to give us some blatantly tacked on crap.  That will only make people even more disappointed with Bioware than they already are.

 Also, several things I wanted to address:

1) Why do people seem to think having a happy ending is immature? If we worked for a happy ending over the course of three freakin' games, we should get one. Mass Effect 2 was a perfect example of this; depending on our relationships with our squadmates, the power of our space ship, and several other factors, we left the suicide mission with anything from no casualties to severe casualties.

2) Why are people saying 'the people who liked the ending will be offended if they are changed'? This will be downloadable content. If they liked the old endings, they can just NOT download the new endings. It really isn't a big deal, and I'm not sure why Bioware (and pro-ending gamers) are overcomplicating it. They have the option of downloading the new ending or not; it isn't enforced on them.

Modifié par Yokokorama, 23 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Jack_Forest]

RiouHotaru wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

Except if the clarification explains that the ending isn't nihilistic or torturous, or that the "dark age" isn't quite as grimdark as you all assume, then what?

You know, even in the extremely grimdark Warhammer 40k, nothing ever ends with the level of destruction we see in ME3.

[Aweus]

RiouHotaru wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

Except if the clarification explains that the ending isn't nihilistic or torturous, or that the "dark age" isn't quite as grimdark as you all assume, then what?

Well then it MAY work. Still, it will be much harder to pull it off this way. Easier way would be to ADD few more options and keep the current ones intact with some added explanations. People who hated Starchild will take the different path, be it happy, sad, bittersweet or whatever they choose. And those who like current ending will not be able to say they got robbed from "true" endings. I'll refer my judgement until I see what they did.

Modifié par Aweus, 23 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Stealthy Cake]

Im pretty sure thats now what the outrage was about?...

Im pretty sure no matter what they do, there is NO way they can actually make the current ''ending''(In Singular) make any sense, sorry, just... dont even try.

The ME triology deserves an awesome ending, simple as that.