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[Fl1xx]

1) Endings that make some sort of sense.

2) VARIED endings. Happy, sad, the full spectrum. Not three shades of grey.

3) I want to see my close teammates and LI cry if I die, damnit. They don't look even remotely upset that I just got esploded!

[HenchxNarf]

I'm glad they're sticking to their guns and not changing anything. They don't need to, it's their story, not the fans'.

[HenchxNarf]

bti79 wrote...

That's not going to cut it. The story has made it to general news media - that's pretty big for a videogame ending. And the story spreading is that they'll change it - regardless if that was the intent of Bioware or not - this is what people come to expect. This is how the message was perceived - even if Bioware PR went to great lengths to prevent this by talking about explanation and artistic integrity.

I remain hopeful for an actual change.

Kind of proof that nothing will make most of them happy.

[CavScout]

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

READ: No matter what you do, unless it is specifically tailored to my own wants and needs, I will still be angry!

[HenchxNarf]

CavScout wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

READ: No matter what you do, unless it is specifically tailored to my own wants and needs, I will still be angry!

Exactly.

[ctdmz]

This has the potential to do more damage than if they had done nothing at all. If they offer up something that falls short of what the fans have been asking for the blow-back is going to be insane.

Modifié par ctdmz, 23 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[HenchxNarf]

ctdmz wrote...

This has the potential to do more damage than if they had done nothing at all. If they offer up something that falls short of what the fans have been asking for the blow-back is going to be insane.

Which in turn proves that nothing will make them happy.

Which also will make BioWare not want to do anything else "for the fans"

[cchudoba002]

Clarification and closure is ONE of the things we are asking for. Multiple endings as promised is more important though.

[Stonesoundjam]

Bioware's choices are pretty much this

a) Destroy the fanbase with their sidewalk poop current ending with space kid that we are all CLEAR about.

Synthesize paying customers with lackeys who will buy their products and tell them how awesome they are without addressing or confronting anything

c) controlling the fanbase with nothing public statements and PR waffling and subject avoiding and inability to admit their mistakes.

Pretty much all result in death and a "where did all the money go?" head scratch in the next game cycle.

[CronoDragoon]

HenchxNarf wrote...

ctdmz wrote...

This has the potential to do more damage than if they had done nothing at all. If they offer up something that falls short of what the fans have been asking for the blow-back is going to be insane.

Which in turn proves that nothing will make them happy.

Which also will make BioWare not want to do anything else "for the fans"

It is not difficult to construct 3-4 new endings that will please the vast majority of people who hate the current endings. Seeing as pretty much everyone loves the type of choices offered at the end of Dragon Age: Origins, they can revisit the concept of choice behind that.

[DarkSpiral]

I saw that on the Datapad. I figured someone would post it here soon enough.

See, this is where the Retake group is going to begin fracturing. Clarification, exposition, a denouement, is exactly what I wanted. On the surface, clarification and closure mean those things. And, frankly, the very idea we could browbeat Bioware into rewriting the ending from scratch was a little farfetched. Worth a effort of putting it out there, but still, pretty farfetched.

[crimzontearz]

we gave info in a bioware-made thread about what we want to see

if they listen we will be happy otherwise we will not......hard to understand

[Mariyanna]

cchudoba002 wrote...

Clarification and closure is ONE of the things we are asking for. Multiple endings as promised is more important though.

Absolutely. It all ends up coming down to a numbers game. We don't see the assets we accumulated in action. People who played previous games get the same ending as people who only picked up Mass Effect 3. All endings are pretty much exactly the same without any personal touches showing our own decisions throughout this or any of the other games.

...Somehow I get a sinking feeling that we'll just get the bare minimum from this game content initiative, and then see more sunglasses or leather coats paid add-ons.

[VvAndromedavV]

It's become pretty clear at this point based on various statements that the endings were intended to be taken at face value.

I know that on Twitter there's been some talk about the Indoctrination Theory on Bioware's end but I don't think they intentionally wrote it that way. I think the only reason why they have mentioned it at all is because it's technically possible and they're trying to support everyone's ideas to make them happy.

As far as the ending goes, there are three concerns:

1. Some people hated the ending
2. Some people liked the ending
3. Bioware was apparently happy with the ending they wrote

These are the three things they are trying to balance. They want the people who hated the ending to be happy, but at the same time they don't want to make the people that liked the ending unhappy. They also don't want to change what they wrote.

It'll be interesting to see where they go with this but don't get your hopes up because it looks like the endings themselves are here to stay.

[spz123]

People are reading way too much into the "clarification" part. The fact is they are doing something about it.

All you can do is keep stating what you'd like and see what direction they're going in when they announce something solid next month.

Then you can make up your mind if they've been listening to you or not.

[HenchxNarf]

CronoDragoon wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

ctdmz wrote...

This has the potential to do more damage than if they had done nothing at all. If they offer up something that falls short of what the fans have been asking for the blow-back is going to be insane.

Which in turn proves that nothing will make them happy.

Which also will make BioWare not want to do anything else "for the fans"

It is not difficult to construct 3-4 new endings that will please the vast majority of people who hate the current endings. Seeing as pretty much everyone loves the type of choices offered at the end of Dragon Age: Origins, they can revisit the concept of choice behind that.

You're kidding me right? Do you know how to make video games? No? Then how can you say it isn't difficult. It would take money and time.

They said they aren't changing the endings. Nor should they have to. They're sticking by their writers.

[jb1983]

HenchxNarf wrote...

ctdmz wrote...

This has the potential to do more damage than if they had done nothing at all. If they offer up something that falls short of what the fans have been asking for the blow-back is going to be insane.

Which in turn proves that nothing will make them happy.

Which also will make BioWare not want to do anything else "for the fans"

"Nothing will make them happy!"

Once Pandora's Box has been opened, what do you expect? The problem isn't that people aren't going to be happy, it's that had Bioware gotten it right the first time, they wouldn't be in this situation. To say that people just aren't going to like it no matter what is nihilistic; you might as well say, "We should stop making video games since the majority of players will hate the endings to them." 

Some of them may not like the endings as much as a different ending, but overall the endings will be liked if done well. The problem is ME3s endings weren't done very well. 

What we're seeing now is people very upset with Bioware for taking their time to respond and for not clarifying anything they're doing. Thus, the only way they can really lash out is to take an extreme stance. As time goes on and once Bioware releases more information, we'll see people begin to back away (though not everyone). 

[yahtzo]

Closure can mean anything from "here's a text box that attempts to explain this mess of an ending" to "JK it was all a dream/indoctrination here's the real ending"

[XqctaX]

DreamTension wrote...

Another reason why fans are not really backing off. They will not specifically state what they are doing.

It leads to these assumptions 1) they don't know what they are going to do and they are scrambling or side-stepping 2) this was planned all along and they are being vague (indoctrination or similar)

i cant say i know anything more than anyone else LOL but from what i gathered from Ray mazuka(spelling lol)
they have a team working on figuring out what they should do about the fans not beeing happy. the team might as well come to the conclution to tell the fans to ****** off.... and anything inbetween that and making the most epic variated ending dlc ever created in life... ever...  
it might be the pessemist (read realist) in me but untill actions come to surface instead of empty words to silence the angry "mob" i wont belive a single word from bioware. they wish nothing more than for us to go quietly out into the night.....

[DarkSpiral]

HenchxNarf wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

READ: No matter what you do, unless it is specifically tailored to my own wants and needs, I will still be angry!

Exactly.

She's going to stay Angry even if they create an ending that is a bullet-point list of her prefrences.  She DID name herself The Angry One on purpose, afterall.  

[Devils-DIVISION]

This is exactly what most wanted - the Crucible, the ending scenes properly explained, and closure with our game in it's entirety. They can't tell you exactly what they're doing... obviously. And neither can they please everybody, so get over yourselves you whiny brats.

This is great news, thank you BW. Let's hope you deliver it with style, like 99% of the original game.

Modifié par Devils-DIVISION, 23 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[Tritium315]

I dunno how they can clarify the ending without changing it. It'll require some impressive logic Olympics to strings all that **** together, or the indoc theory I suppose.

[XqctaX]

crimzontearz wrote...

we gave info in a bioware-made thread about what we want to see

if they listen we will be happy otherwise we will not......hard to understand

this pretty much sums up how I feel. and will feel untill bioware delive. words meen nothing without action...:devil:;
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[DarkSpiral]

Devils-DIVISION wrote...

This is exactly what most wanted - the Crucible, the ending scenes properly explained, and closure with our game in it's entirety. They can't tell you exactly what they're doing... obviously. And neither can they please everybody so get over yourselves you whiny brats.

This is great news, thank you BW. Let's hope you deliver it with style, like 99% of the original game.

Name calling.  Stop that!

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 23 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[Leafs43]

 If they don't clarify that Shepherd is indoctrinated and give us a real ending sequence, well I'll be sure not to support them in the future.*



*does not need to be indoctrination, but the ending sequence is garbage.