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[FemmeShep]

Dridengx wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

ctdmz wrote...

This has the potential to do more damage than if they had done nothing at all. If they offer up something that falls short of what the fans have been asking for the blow-back is going to be insane.

Which in turn proves that nothing will make them happy.

Which also will make BioWare not want to do anything else "for the fans"

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True. But that poster's logic is also shaky. "Nothing will ever make them happy". I disagree, there is certainly a way to make fans happy. 

[spz123]

Adding new content is changing.

[GorrilaKing]

jb1983 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

ctdmz wrote...

This has the potential to do more damage than if they had done nothing at all. If they offer up something that falls short of what the fans have been asking for the blow-back is going to be insane.

Which in turn proves that nothing will make them happy.

Which also will make BioWare not want to do anything else "for the fans"

"Nothing will make them happy!"

Once Pandora's Box has been opened, what do you expect? The problem isn't that people aren't going to be happy, it's that had Bioware gotten it right the first time, they wouldn't be in this situation. To say that people just aren't going to like it no matter what is nihilistic; you might as well say, "We should stop making video games since the majority of players will hate the endings to them." 

Some of them may not like the endings as much as a different ending, but overall the endings will be liked if done well. The problem is ME3s endings weren't done very well. 

What we're seeing now is people very upset with Bioware for taking their time to respond and for not clarifying anything they're doing. Thus, the only way they can really lash out is to take an extreme stance. As time goes on and once Bioware releases more information, we'll see people begin to back away (though not everyone). 

Not to mention treating a large part of their fanbase first like idiots and then like enemies who need to be misdirected and badmouthed.

[_Arkayne_]

"Cant believe ppl have finished it already"
..............
Really?

[Murkman4683]

YES! Thanks Bioware, I knew you would change the endings, all your loyal fans deserve it. It's not like they metacritic and amazon bombed your game, held a charity hostage to further their cause, those things are way too horrible for any BSN member to participate in, we are loyal, remember?

[Zalitara]

I guess we'll see when this content is actually live whether it's good enough or not. For now, I guess I'll trust Bioware one last time.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

HenchxNarf wrote...

This says they're not changing the endings.

Sure, it says that. Now let's see what happens when we actually have evidence. If the alterations give Shepard the ability to argue against the Catalyst's "logic", I'll consider that a change in the narrative. We don't even know if this is going to be a short, free patch or a $10-15 dlc.

[Murkman4683]

_Arkayne_ wrote...

"Cant believe ppl have finished it already"
..............
Really?

Sadly people have other things to do besides burn through video games in a 30 hour session during a single weekend.  I know, right, how dare he have other things to do???!?!!!

[HenchxNarf]

FemmeShep wrote...


True. But that poster's logic is also shaky. "Nothing will ever make them happy". I disagree, there is certainly a way to make fans happy. 

So here, let me re-word it.

There is a majority of the movement that will not be happy no matter what BioWare chooses to do (which in this case is not to change the endings, just clarif) and I have seen, in this thread alone, that no matter what BioWare gives them, they won't be happy with what they're given. They want more, or something that isn't even on the table as an option.

[p__q]

le sigh, I suppose expanding on the ending can't really cause more harm and if that's all biowares willing to do then so be it, at least its something, but I just hope it can least get through to them that if it is as people are speculating then it probably won't cut it for a lot of people.

[HenchxNarf]

Murkman4683 wrote...

YES! Thanks Bioware, I knew you would change the endings, all your loyal fans deserve it. It's not like they metacritic and amazon bombed your game, held a charity hostage to further their cause, those things are way too horrible for any BSN member to participate in, we are loyal, remember?

Edit: Snarkiness on my part.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[RogueBot]

I'm not going to complain. I greatly dislike Casper the Genocidal Ghost and his Space Magic, but what hurt the most was the plot holes and lack of closure regarding companion characters and the rest of the galaxy.

If they fix that, I'll be happy.

[DarkSpiral]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

This says they're not changing the endings.

Sure, it says that. Now let's see what happens when we actually have evidence. If the alterations give Shepard the ability to argue against the Catalyst's "logic", I'll consider that a change in the narrative. We don't even know if this is going to be a short, free patch or a $10-15 dlc.

True enough.  It is enough for me, for the moment, that they are doign something.

[savionen]

HenchxNarf wrote...

So here, let me re-word it.

There is a majority of the movement that will not be happy no matter what BioWare chooses to do (which in this case is not to change the endings, just clarif) and I have seen, in this thread alone, that no matter what BioWare gives them, they won't be happy with what they're given. They want more, or something that isn't even on the table as an option.

They just want what Bioware said the game would have. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

DarkSpiral wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

This says they're not changing the endings.

Sure, it says that. Now let's see what happens when we actually have evidence. If the alterations give Shepard the ability to argue against the Catalyst's "logic", I'll consider that a change in the narrative. We don't even know if this is going to be a short, free patch or a $10-15 dlc.

True enough.  It is enough for me, for the moment, that they are doign something.

Agreed. Clarification really could be all I require, depending on its form.

[HenchxNarf]

savionen wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

So here, let me re-word it.

There is a majority of the movement that will not be happy no matter what BioWare chooses to do (which in this case is not to change the endings, just clarif) and I have seen, in this thread alone, that no matter what BioWare gives them, they won't be happy with what they're given. They want more, or something that isn't even on the table as an option.

They just want what Bioware said the game would have. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

In their opinion, they didn't get what Bioware said they would.

Some people think they did. It's their opinion.

[Nykara]

Fingertrip wrote...

I love the "clarify". It's like "jesus, you guys didn't know about Indoctrination, eventho you played our games? Meh, we'll just have to explain it to you since you're to stupid to understand the ending".

classic.

I lol'ed I have to say.

[Keltikone]

No Broken Steel then. This may not be good, but heres praying that it is.

[HenchxNarf]

Keltikone wrote...

No Broken Steel then. This may not be good, but heres praying that it is.

Of course not. Because unlike them, BioWare liked the ending they created. Fallout did it because of the money.

[shurryy]

Abirn wrote...

That's what we wanted. It was never about getting a "happy" ending, its about getting an ending that isn't filled with plotholes and explains the whole catalyst/reaper thing in more detail.

Speak for yourself. I want both. 

[FemmeShep]

HenchxNarf wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...


True. But that poster's logic is also shaky. "Nothing will ever make them happy". I disagree, there is certainly a way to make fans happy. 

So here, let me re-word it.

There is a majority of the movement that will not be happy no matter what BioWare chooses to do (which in this case is not to change the endings, just clarif) and I have seen, in this thread alone, that no matter what BioWare gives them, they won't be happy with what they're given. They want more, or something that isn't even on the table as an option.

Okay, that's more fair.

All I know is, I've accepted that Mass Effect will forever be tainted with a terrible ending (IMO). And I really do wish they would just drop the Star Child nonsense, or at least give the users more choices during the encounter with him.

But I've accepted this is not likely going to happen. And instead they are just going to expand and clarify this idea, and make it more coherent. And I'm okay with this. It still doesn't deal with the problems most had (ie. The ending not really reflecting your choices in the game, or having diverse endings), but at least it fleshes out their ending better. 

But I just don't agree that they couldn't make people happy if they wanted to. They are choosing not to. I'm not arguing for or against this choice. Was just pointing that out. But I also understand what you mean by nothing will ever make them happy (with what BioWare is limiting to the options on the table).

That is more than correct. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 23 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[Irrelevant SN]

BIOWARE! I have been a long time fan. Not a rabbid fanboy, just a guy who has loved your games for years. I don't internet rage over minor game flaws, I still love my PS3 copy of Skyrim even though its buggy as hell. I didn't even hate that damn kid in ME3's intro sequence.

But when I say the end retroactivley ruined the series for me, I genuinely mean it. I have zero intrest in ME with the ending as it stands. It felt hollow, cheap. It broke character traits you spent ten years crafting, left all thematic influences behind in favor of a poorly executed twist.

I hope this is all a big trick and the indoc theory guys are right. Yet even suprise dlc ending sets a bad president for the games industry. Dlc is meant to compliment and extend a complete game. EA is pushing too many of its developers into this greedy and flawed business model.

I will get a dlc ending should one emerge. Is a new ending enough to fix this situation? I don't know, but it is better than nothing. This whole situation and its handlin

[Dragoonlordz]

Your group is tearing itself apart from the inside it appears because you assume everyone in it wants the same thing. It has become very clear over past few weeks there are many who want different things within your own group and you refuse to acknowledge this.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[FemmeShep]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your group is tearing itself apart from the inside it appears because you assume everyone in it wants the same thing. It has become very clear over past few weeks there are many who want different things within your own group and you refuse to acknowledge this.

Of course. I don't think anyone ever thought everyone wanted the same thing.

But the majority did take an issue with the ending choices not really reflecting your choices throughout the entire seires. And I don't think that will be addressed in this DLC.