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[RiouHotaru]

Wattoes wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's funny how people think that the endings can't be clarified. They explained quite a few of the plot-holes from ME2 in ME3 quite handily.

I'm pretty sure they can easily explain the Catalyst and it's logic.

Clarification only goes so far.  Ive managed to make my own BS reasons to justify the mass relays not killing everyone and some of the other glaring holes.

Even with it, the ending is absolutely terrible.

The relay's being destroyed isn't a plot-hole though.

[SirCroft]

How about ditching the Space God Child, turning the Crucible into the weapon it should've been and not destroying all mass relays?
That would be a lot of improvement already.

[Delkarnu]

You can't slap a band-aid on disembowelment.

Closure and clarity were only part of what was lacking.

They seemed to gloss over the whole "actually different endings based on our choices" thing that was at the heart of many of our complaints.

Modifié par Delkarnu, 24 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[DrowNoble]

robbyiscool wrote...

"We are creating new content to clarify and add closure as per the request of many loyal fans! That's all"


I'm fairly certain thats not what we've been requesting.  Am I just mistaken and dissatisfied, or are they really just not listening correctly?

The keyword here is "clarify" and it worries me.

As I would read it, that would mean they aren't going to change the ending just explain it to the vast majority of us that "don't get it" apparently.  If true this is a bit condescending on Bioware's part.  If not, it shows that Bioware either (1) doesn't understand our concerns or (2) just hearing what they want to hear.

Remember people:  HOLD THE LINE

[sth88]

True closure would be appreciated, but "clarification?" You've got a lot to clarify, Bioware. Like how Shepard caves in to blatantly faulty logic at the last second, and how Shepard is OK with causing galaxy-wide genocide that would make the Reapers jealous. And I don't think a "clarification" would change the fact that the choices we made are pointless in the face of an A, B, C ending.

C'mon, Bioware. You've proven you know how to listen in the past. You need to do it now. The loyalty of too many of your biggest fans is at stake.

[HenchxNarf]

RiouHotaru wrote...


The relay's being destroyed isn't a plot-hole though.

A lot of what they say are plot holes aren't plot holes. But that's their opinion.

I agree with you though.

[Blackymir]

Morph.hu wrote...

well, ME twitter/facebook said things that turned out to be false (when they said that they wont do anything to the ending as of now, which was removed shortly after).
I say let's wait for the real and probably more reliable info in April (hopefully during PAX), and dont get disappointed too early. cause I (almost) did.

Yep...agree!!! I would really like for them to drop the bombshell @ PAX that they will be creating a different ending (Alt Ending). My previous post is more or less trying to take something positive from what was said. Again though as you stated to me there is nothing official yet as nobody is really backing up there words with an official statement or proof that all they will do is what the twitter said. You would think by now that they would be telling the twitter operators to only say " An announcement will be made in April" & "I will forward this to the creative team for consideration". They have already caused several problems due to this kind of thing.

[Rex Fallout]

Bioware says a lot of things. Recently they haven't done much of anything that was promised. I doubt Bioware will truly give us what we want. The last 10-15 minutes of the game seem to have been written by an entirely different person than the rest of the game. It made no sense, and every single ending, was practically identical to each other. There were no 16 different endings. There was one ending with different colored explosions. That is not even getting into the fact that your choices over the previous games means absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter if you managed to get the entire galaxy to work together like no one else could. Because you still get the crappy ending. It doesn't matter if Rannoch was saved for the Quarians, whether they work with the geth, whether the Genophage is cured, the turians help, or anything. Because you get the exact. same. ending. I don't just want a good ending. I want a bad ending too. Where the Reapers win. And then I want everything inbetween those two endings. After seeing what Bioware accomplished with the first two mass effect games I didn't think that was asking for too much. Maybe it was.

[wright1978]

HenchxNarf wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...


The relay's being destroyed isn't a plot-hole though.

A lot of what they say are plot holes aren't plot holes. But that's their opinion.

I agree with you though.

Relay destruction is utter railroading and pretty stupid in control ending.

[Neophoenix 78]

I wonder how many people who are trying to stifle the Retake movement are typing this while enjoying a cold can of new Coke. Oh wait that company brought out a product which the public hated. They did not say who are you to question us. We are Coke. We know soda. Obviously something went wrong with their testing there too. However since Coca-Cola classic is now mainstream you can see how that eventually worked out for them. You can enjoy your nasty Coke all you want. Do not think I have to be quiet because I disagree. And if their solution to their situation was a dropper that you added one liquid drop to a serving and we had to pay extra for it. I hate to say it but Pepsi here I come... ICK.

I do not understand why people would pay a company extra money for cleaning up the mess they made. They made this mess the consumers did not. Why should we be expected to foot the bill?

This will have a lasting effect on the gaming industry. Forbes is discussing this regularly. Does that not tell you something?

The message will either be do something right the first time. Be honest with your consumers. Do not marginalize our issues and complaints about statements you used to promote your game. Sell a finished product.

Or the message will be you as a company know more about what us customers want. You can make all the promises you want and you will not be held responsible for those promises if they fall short. And if you falter we will actually give you more money to fix the problems you created.

When the fact that a business is there to make a profit can you see the slippery slope this can be. Either the power goes back to the consumer or it is solidified in the company. In a day where people look down upon big business practices I find it hard to believe people will accept paying to fix their mistakes.

[Zix13]

Woops, compounding error.

[HenchxNarf]

wright1978 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...


The relay's being destroyed isn't a plot-hole though.

A lot of what they say are plot holes aren't plot holes. But that's their opinion.

I agree with you though.

Relay destruction is utter railroading and pretty stupid in control ending.

And that's your opinion.

I think they needed to destroy the relays, and that is my opinion.

[Pfor]

Davian1980 wrote...

robbyiscool wrote...

"We are creating new content to clarify and add closure as per the request of many loyal fans! That's all"


I'm fairly certain thats not what we've been requesting.  Am I just mistaken and dissatisfied, or are they really just not listening correctly?

If that still contains the Starchild and the spacemagic and not more different endings then so long and goodbye Bioware. It's been fun except for the last ten minutes of ME3.

And those ten minutes just ruined your life. 

[HenchxNarf]

Davian1980 wrote...

robbyiscool wrote...

"We are creating new content to clarify and add closure as per the request of many loyal fans! That's all"


I'm fairly certain thats not what we've been requesting.  Am I just mistaken and dissatisfied, or are they really just not listening correctly?

If that still contains the Starchild and the spacemagic and not more different endings then so long and goodbye Bioware. It's been fun except for the last ten minutes of ME3.

Bye bye

[Kilshrek]

JohnnyG wrote...

Sigh. I think this might be a case of them hearing what they want to hear.

Sounds about right there. Well I'd like to see exactly what they outline in the DLC. Or I still won't bother buying it. And any further ME 3 DLC can go down the drain as well.

[Joy Sauce]

They are planning a minimal effort with the intention of it shutting us up I think. They're hoping that by the time it is released we will have stopped caring. I'm assuming anyways, but in any case we (the retakers) are not going to get what we hoped for, it's just not going to happen. I'm starting to think that even the Indoctrination theory (their easy way out), will be abandoned. It will be a dialogue-free cutscene, maybe some textblocks which saying something like, "the fleets stranded in the Sol system didn't starve to death," but they won't actually change anything that happened that got us so angry in the first place. The more I think about it the more depressed I get. Yet I still see myself buying it however many months from now when it comes out, just out of the sheer hope that it might improve something. Man, that's sad.

[TERASQUE]

wtf Bioware, this game is about choice, thats the only f-ing thing we want ok?

[ramenbito]

I do not want closure or an explanation I want a better ending. So I am still holding the line.

Modifié par ramenbito, 24 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[Reptilian Rob]

LOL Bioware, you just don't get it do you?

[durasteel]

I continue to believe that BioWare is simply being non-committal until they settle on an ending, which at this point will require the Doctors to sign off on it, at least.

I can't believe that BioWare and EA would be foolish enough to just slap some polish on a turd. Releasing a BioWare-quality "optional" ending for ME3 will establish a best-in-industry rapport with their customers, whereas insulting all of us with explanations of why the star child is cool would be worse than doing nothing at all.

[HenchxNarf]

durasteel wrote...

I continue to believe that BioWare is simply being non-committal until they settle on an ending, which at this point will require the Doctors to sign off on it, at least.

I can't believe that BioWare and EA would be foolish enough to just slap some polish on a turd. Releasing a BioWare-quality "optional" ending for ME3 will establish a best-in-industry rapport with their customers, whereas insulting all of us with explanations of why the star child is cool would be worse than doing nothing at all.

Hudson stated that they stand by their endings and have no intentions of changing them, only clarifying and explaining them.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 24 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[Taldek]

If that is all they are going to do them I'm done with bioware, Cant understand why they wouldn't make alt endings they would make a mint.

[circe]

Clarify and provide closure...if that's as half assed as it sounds Bioware is going to have a riot on their hands.