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[Priss Blackburne]

We'll have to wait and see what they create. Even if they where going to fix the plot holes they are not going to word it in a way that would admit a problem so soon after the release of the game when they are still trying to sell copies.

Personally I don't think we have enough information to know what is going on at Bioware. We don't know what the have planed for the future of the Mass Effect universe. Given what an amazing game all of them where, with the exception of the ME3 ending. I think we are getting a little carried away with the hatred towards bioware.

The fact that they have a addressed this issue and are taking step towards fixing it is a good thing.

It only remains to be seen if those steps are good enough to satisfy most fans. We won't know this till it is done. the only thing we can do is give them enough information about what we love and hate and hope they listen to our feedback.

Getting upset about every little thing they say is not going to help being listened to. If this keeps up there will be a time that developers will not tell us about games and what is planned since it will always be miss-interpreted. Bioware has been good at communicating with the fans and listening to them in the past there is no reason to think they are not anymore.

[Starshadow2010]

Clarify and add closure is satisfactory, if they throw motivation to play the story again in the package.
House on Earth with pictures of Rannoch, or blue babies is the minimum requirement 

Modifié par Starshadow2010, 23 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[Killer3000ad]

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.

[robbyiscool]

Romaka wrote...

This comes across as:

Our ending was good.  Here is why.

I bet it will end with Buy DLC.

[Launcifer]

Panicomatic wrote...

They can't change the ending, you know this, right?

They can build on, expand on, add to, but cannot change the ending. If they changed the ending it would make investors very nervous. Why? Because it would be an admission that the game's ending was wrong. Best they can do is clarify what happened in the ending. Which best case scenario IMO would be that Shepard was fighting indoctrination and then we get a real ending.

They are meeting us halfway.

With respect, if you have to subsequently clarify the ending to your product, then you got the ending wrong at least in terms of how you presented your core ideas to your customers. The damage to investor confidence may well already have been done on that score. 

Anyway, I'll treat this news with a note of caution, largely because I'm an old cynic, but it's certainly something.

[Robhuzz]

Sequin wrote...

They are being pretty generous to add content to clarify and add closure. I for one say thank you, Bioware!

I do not feel they are being generous. They promised us all those things in the first place. Having them add it after we had to practically put the internet upside down for 2 weeks straight does not strike me as generous at all....

[Zardoc]

Femlob wrote...

This is all we're going to get, for the simple reason that they can't afford to do more. Anything beyond "clarification" and "closure" will - INEVITABLY - be interpreted as a passive admittance of guilt, the ramifications of which I don't dare consider.

Modifié par Zardoc, 23 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[jmarkows]

I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic, but the fight isn't over yet.

Hold the Line.

[Panicomatic]

Xion66 wrote...

Panicomatic wrote...

They can't change the ending, you know this, right?

They can build on, expand on, add to, but cannot change the ending. If they changed the ending it would make investors very nervous. Why? Because it would be an admission that the game's ending was wrong. Best they can do is clarify what happened in the ending. Which best case scenario IMO would be that Shepard was fighting indoctrination and then we get a real ending.

They are meeting us halfway.

The thing is clarification does not mean expanding/build om/add to, to me clarification is closer to fill in the obvious gaps.

I think in all honesty they are going to fill in the plotholes the best they can, maybe a little retconning, and they're going to use the feedback that we've been giving them to help make the ending more satisfying. Don't discount what they are doing before you see it for yourself. Have a little faith, April isn't that far away. Just don't get disappointed when the ending you expected isn't the ending we get. They've said themselves that they are going to do the best they can to address our concerns while also maintaining their artistic integrity. 

[mpgeist]

My skepticism, it is healthy. I want to believe, but if starchild is still shoved down my throat then GG BioWare.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Remember when Dr. Ray asked us to trust him and that they were pouring over the feedback? This is why we couldn't trust. Because after all of this, they still don't understand the nature of the problem.

[JELLAQTP]

"I told you" on the making? Hope not. We know they can do something brilliant. What we don't know is if they want. I just don't believe anymore on developers words. Facts.

While I don[t like the endings, I believe is possible to put additional content that can work for us and for them. But it's not easy.

Modifié par JELLAQTP, 23 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[ElcorAmbassador]

hmmm, not a good move by bioware if they're just clarifying/explaining the endings a bit more. It's not DLC material. If the indoctrination theory was true, and we had some actual play time AFTER the event on the citadel, it would be worth $10-$15...

Modifié par ElcorAmbassador, 23 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Untamed98]

If they don't add better options in then I am done being a Bioware customer. I forgave them after Dragon Age 2, but this ending is the last straw.

[Ilzairspar]

Silent Rage wrote...

Not buying any dlc if they give us this manure.

I posted on their "suggestion" topic that they forgot the third C.

We asked for the 3 "C";s  Clarificiation, Closure, and Choice.  This twitter feed says they are giving us te first two, but for me the biggest one to get is the third.  We don't get that, then I"m with Silent Rage, and Untamed98.  This will be the last game I buy from Bioware.

Modifié par Ilzairspar, 23 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Abirn]

Zardoc wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Drxx wrote...

Abirn wrote...

That's what I wanted. It was never about getting a "happy" ending, its about getting an ending that isn't filled with plotholes and explains the whole catalyst/reaper thing in more detail.

 

Speak for yourself.
I want happy ending

There is nothing wrong with a "shephard dies" ending.  It was just executed in the worst manner ever.  All I'm asking for is a bit more detailed explaination as to the nature of the catalyst and why it couldn't just open the citadel relay from before ME1 even began.  I can even live with some minor plotholes.  I get it Joker was ordered to retreat so thats why he's in a mass relay.  But that doesn't explain how your crew you took with you got onboard the ship.  But the big one that NEEDS to be explained is the ctalyst not opening the citadel relay trap and needing soverign to do it.  

Who exactly would order Joker to retreat and why, and what makes you think Joker would follow that order?

You can barely hear them announce orders to retreat as you are walking up to the beam.  I never said it was a good explaination but I'm willing to live with the minor plotholes if the major story ones are fixed.

[majormajormmajor]

I look forward to DA2 style sales for ME3 when April comes along and they announce they are building on the existing ending

[DarkSpider88]

Sadly we must also accept that compromise might be the only answer. If they can fix the plot holes with the ending I can accept that. The ending therefore would go from crappy and nonsensical to just crappy.

Would it be amazing if they use the indoc theory or actually allow us to tear apart Star Child's flawed logic, yes but lets face it they are at least swallowing a little pride addressing the issue.

Hopefully they at least solve the nonsensical parts and learn a valuable lesson from this experience. Think about what you are saying in interviews because the fans will remember.

[Bane]

 There sure is a lot of pessimism about this statement. Personally, I'm optimistic about what's to come.

We are creating new content to clarify and add closure as per the request of many loyal fans! That's all.

Clarify: Shepard wakes up in the rubble of London and realizes everything he's experienced after Harbinger's attack was an indoctrination attempt. An attempt he successfully resisted (at least for now). The endings we've been given are not the actual end to the trilogy and there is more for Shepard to do.

Closure: After waking up in the rubble and doing whatever we have to do in the DLC we get the actual endings complete with proper closure of Shepard's story.

...as per the request of many loyal fans!: Did they already have plans to expand on what we've been given or are they simply reacting to backlash? It could go either way.

[Leafs43]

If they are going to just try and throw a bandaid over the ending, that's seriously disappointing.

A bandaid isn't going to fix the plot chasms they created.

[jmarkows]

Ilzairspar wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

Not buying any dlc if they give us this manure.

I posted on their "suggestion" topic that they forgot the third C.

We asked for the 3 "C";s  Clarificiation, Closure, and Choice.  This twitter feed says they are giving us te first two, but for me the biggest one to get is the third.  We don't get that, then I"m with Silent Rage, and Untamed98.  This will be the last game I buy from Bioware.

Add a 4th to that list.

[robbyiscool]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

We'll have to wait and see what they create. Even if they where going to fix the plot holes they are not going to word it in a way that would admit a problem so soon after the release of the game when they are still trying to sell copies.

Personally I don't think we have enough information to know what is going on at Bioware. We don't know what the have planed for the future of the Mass Effect universe. Given what an amazing game all of them where, with the exception of the ME3 ending. I think we are getting a little carried away with the hatred towards bioware.

The fact that they have a addressed this issue and are taking step towards fixing it is a good thing.

It only remains to be seen if those steps are good enough to satisfy most fans. We won't know this till it is done. the only thing we can do is give them enough information about what we love and hate and hope they listen to our feedback.

Getting upset about every little thing they say is not going to help being listened to. If this keeps up there will be a time that developers will not tell us about games and what is planned since it will always be miss-interpreted. Bioware has been good at communicating with the fans and listening to them in the past there is no reason to think they are not anymore.

You make some very good points, but since they are so silent, is it really that surprising that we take apart everything that they DO actually say?

[Gibb_Shepard]

They won't go any further than this.

[Sparse]

Well they have taken criticism on board and appear to be doing something about it. I think people need to wait and see rather than jump up and down because they haven't said they will remake the entire last two hours.