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#176
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WE DON'T WANT CLARIFICATION! NO ONE SAID THAT! WE WANT DIFFERENT ENDINGS!

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Hm.. more PR nonsense vague bulls**t.
I'll wait till April. I'm tired of cryptic messages and "lots of speculation".
I want straight official announcement.

Modifié par MissNet, 23 mars 2012 - 05:41 .


#178
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Clockwerk200x wrote...

Seeing as they said that we would hear more about this April, I think it would be best that we wait UNTIL THEN before we start ragging on them again.



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The Angry One wrote...

ZeroFlames wrote...

Screw what the fans want. This isn't our game.

I'm a fan of what bioware's doing.

"We'll give you more, try to help you understand. But what happened happened. We write the games."


So the game we paid for, invested in and were told we were part of creating isn't our game.
What is this? Spacebrat logic?


Now that it's the finale, it's completely BioWare's game, even though they've always said the game was a joint thing with developer/player.

That, and it's too deep and ~artistic~ for us to comprehend. ZeroFlames = grimdark hipster

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CasbynessPC wrote...

They are adding a zoom function to the credits and a door to the space elevator (that thing was a deathtrap).

Clarity and closure.


OSHA regulations is requiring Bioware to install a guard rail of some sort around the space elevator. Also they are looking into the child labor laws, StarChild has been on the job for millions of years, that has to violate some workers rights thing.

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Luder09 wrote...

Has this been verified? I just checked the twitter feed and all I see is " We will be making an announcement regarding further content pertaining to the endings in April."


Link to ME3 Twitter page/Tweet in question

Screenshot of Tweet:
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#182
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They have committed to nothing they had not previously stated weeks ago.

Whether they decide to release DLC that addresses the core arguments, or make cheap tack-ons that ignore them is still unclear; which is not a good sign.

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If they don't do more than just patronize us about how plot holes aren't really plot holes, we're just not paying enough attention, by explaining everything in blunt exposition I won't be buying the DLC. Even if its free I don't know if I can be bothered with downloading something if its just going to be a slap to the face.

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They can change the endings. It's happened before in different games, like Fallout 3. It's possible. But I don't think that's what they want to do. :/

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Clockwerk200x wrote...

Seeing as they said that we would hear more about this April, I think it would be best that we wait UNTIL THEN before we start ragging on them again.


I agree, more info in April hopefully, HOLD

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I actually feel bad for Bioware right now; they are between the proverbial rock and a hard place. On the one hand, they cannot admit that their current endings are unacceptable to most of their fans because that would be devastating for sales. On the other hand, they cannot ignore the fans since all the negative reactions are likely having a serious negative impact on those same sales.

So they are trying, it seems, to find a middle way - not admitting that there is anything wrong with their endings while offering "closure" and "clarity."

My only real concern is that the public feedback they give does not seem to address what many of their fans see as the real problem with the endings - which I think, is why so many go ballistic every time we get a snippet of information.

So, all I can suggest is that we all remain calm until we see what their ultimate solution is - and after that, we can decide whether ME3 takes its rightful place as the best SciFi game series of all time, or sadly put it aside and ponder "what might have been."

However, for me, no paid DLC until I get a satisfactory ending- none, ever. And I will never again pre-order another Bioware game.

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Seryndras wrote...

Hm, I bet this has been mentioned before, but since the Normandys engines were destroyed by that shockwave, doesn't that mean that all the ships in the Sol system where kinda singed as well? That shockwave clearly hit the entire system (and beyond) as can be observed by the galaxy map shot of the explosions. So... we've crippled the entire fleet? Sadface!


I don't know, possibly the shockwave isn't as strong as the pulse (assuming the relay explosion doesn't in fact torch the system). Which just makes Joker look like even more of an idiot for putting himself in the path of the pulse.

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MOELANDER wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No amount of clarity is going to make space child any more tolerable. None.


This.
I don't want clarification on this nihilistic, torturous ending.
I don't want pithy explanations for why Shepard is a quitter and why Joker is a coward.
I want new endings, not this dark age garbage they forced down our throats.

This and only this will suffice to still my anger!

I agree wholeheartedly.

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Here, let me tell you why your teammates abandoned you and why a god child makes sense with this made up stuff that is poorly written. Never mind the disgusting moral implications bioware writers have if they really think the ending 3 options will solve any problems ever. No way would we actually want to fix the problem, we will just put this fancy wrapping paper on this dog poo.

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So, how do we go about drumming into Bioware that we want our choices to reflect on the endings? I thought we had made it pretty clear, but apparently not.

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At this point I am willing to compromise choice if BioWare in turn is willing to give us a cohesive and comprehensible plot, preferably devoid of Mass Relay destruction but that is likely too much. I swear, I will never touch another BioWare product again if we are told the crew repopulated Jungle Earth or met some new species to live with.

#192
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Calm down.

They are reassuring another fan that they won't completely change the ending he apparently enjoyed.

If you think BioWare is going to appease RetakeME3 and alienate everybody who doesn't agree with its aims, you need a reality check.

The changes will, inevitably, be a compromise between the different camps.

Stay cool and civil, and work to shape the compromise... more constructive than flying off the handle because you're not getting a total victory (which was never, ever in the cards.)

Modifié par Malchat, 23 mars 2012 - 05:42 .


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Czw wrote...

Retake ME3 has the same problem. One person will say it wants different endings, not different lights... the next will say they just want the plotholes explained... the next will say they don't care they just want their love interest and blue babies... They need to unite behind one cause and not just "we hate the endings"

Personally, I think the endings are mediocre and could be way better, but I don't think it's the customer's job to dictate the art. If a piece of art is bad, it doesn't sell. If it isn't, it does sell. I don't think the Mona Lisa is very good at all, but I don't feel entitled to tell Da Vinci to go and try again because I don't understand it.



None of those are mutually exclusive. If the main purpose of Retake would be explained it would simply be "We want our choices to matter.", which is exactly what we were told would be the ending.

I don't believe Mass Effect is art and can be held to an untouchable degree for being art. If you create something for the primary purpose of expressing yourself, then it's art. If you create something for the primary purpose of making a product and selling it, then it is not art, it is a product. That's my personal opinion though.

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Sashimi_taco wrote...

Here, let me tell you why your teammates abandoned you and why a god child makes sense with this made up stuff that is poorly written. Never mind the disgusting moral implications bioware writers have if they really think the ending 3 options will solve any problems ever. No way would we actually want to fix the problem, we will just put this fancy wrapping paper on this dog poo.


Exactly. People don't want closure and clarification for something that never made any sense in the first place.

#195
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well, ill wait for the results... if its an unsatisfying result (for me), then ill play one last playthrough - let marauder shields stop my shep and see it as the best possible ending in me3 :) marauder safed me from seeing the bad ending

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Until an actual announcement what they're doing is pretty much pure speculation our part. When they tell us what the new content entails then we know if we need to try and get them to change things further or not. Until then continue to make yourselves heard but please be as civil as possible.

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Seryndras wrote...

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jmarkows wrote...

EDIT: and as far as I can see, no mention of the Omega 4 trip taking any longer.  From what I remember of ME2 the trip was instantaneous, just the trip to the relay took a while.


Because this would be the first time they've ignored their own codex right?
Watch any omega-4 jump video. The trip is not instant, and again, if the Normandy wasn't in a relay transit then why is the pulse following them? 
In normal FTL it should be expanding across the whole background and thinning out. Instead it gets stronger as it nears the Normandy.


Hm, I bet this has been mentioned before, but since the Normandys engines were destroyed by that shockwave, doesn't that mean that all the ships in the Sol system where kinda singed as well? That shockwave clearly hit the entire system (and beyond) as can be observed by the galaxy map shot of the explosions. So... we've crippled the entire fleet? Sadface!


No, Normandy was destroyed because Joker doesn't know how to use space magic, that's why he tried to run away when every other ship in the fleet raised their space magic barriers.

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Seryndras wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

jmarkows wrote...

EDIT: and as far as I can see, no mention of the Omega 4 trip taking any longer.  From what I remember of ME2 the trip was instantaneous, just the trip to the relay took a while.


Because this would be the first time they've ignored their own codex right?
Watch any omega-4 jump video. The trip is not instant, and again, if the Normandy wasn't in a relay transit then why is the pulse following them? 
In normal FTL it should be expanding across the whole background and thinning out. Instead it gets stronger as it nears the Normandy.


Hm, I bet this has been mentioned before, but since the Normandys engines were destroyed by that shockwave, doesn't that mean that all the ships in the Sol system where kinda singed as well? That shockwave clearly hit the entire system (and beyond) as can be observed by the galaxy map shot of the explosions. So... we've crippled the entire fleet? Sadface!


If you notice, that pulse thing seems to destroy the back of the ship, but yet at the end when it crashes on that planet and you see the ship from the back it looks fine.  Might just be the lighting but yea...

#199
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If all it is is clarification and closure of the current endings, I still wont be buying any DLC. Not out of spite, just for my own sanity.

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Clarity, Closure, and Choice. Those are the three items the majority of your fans have asked for regarding this ending fiasco. Bioware/EA, if you do not provide those things via free ending DLC, I dare not wish to think of the unhappy consumer backlash you may receive. Good luck! I remain an ever cautious human being.

-Always Hope