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[Turtlicious]

pistolols wrote...

i certainly don't want a new ending at all. the one we've got is extremely compelling. it's a shame that so many of you are too simpleton to appreciate it.

LOL

[Turtles_AWD]

Tyrzun wrote...

You are speculating and based on nothing.

The things I said are not speculation and are based on what you see.

Knocked out 20 meters from the Portal in full armor

Wake up with a pistol that has infinite ammo  <-----  That directly screams impossible.

So, the discussion stops right there.  None of that is possible.

You're "armor" blown off theory.  Well, Sheps armor goes all the way around ALL of his limbs and his torso.  There is no way to "blow" it off without blowing him apart.  <------ That directly screams impossible

So, in 2 ways Bioware says HEY what you are seeing is impossible.

Then you resist and wake up back with your full N7 armor on again.


You're other option is to believe Shep REALLY WAS in the citadel.  Chose destruction while wearing no armor, survived the explosion, survived being in space with no armor or helmet, survived falling through the atmospher without a helmet or armor, hit the earth at over 130mph minimum with no armor or helment, and then wakes up back in his full armor.


Those are your only 2 choices. 

It's pretty clear that one is plot hole free and makes sense and the other... the one you keep defending is ridiculous illogical.

I'm actually not speculating based on nothing. I'm making reasonable assumptions based the idea that the game should be consistent with itself.

What you're failing to realize is that although the indoctrination theory explains some amount of the plotholes that arise if the ending takes place in reality, it is equally problematic with this explanation.

Yes, it really is that terrible.

As far as basing your claim on what you see goes, you never see Shepard on Earth. You see an N7 body under rubble. You're extrapolating that it's Shepard (reasonable) and that he's on earth (says who?)

You've been told it's Shepard on earth by someone else on this forum or on youtube no doubt, so now it seems "painfully obvious" to you that it's the case.

Now do you have actual further evidence to support your claim or will you simply strawman me again, change the subject, and continue acting like a ****?

[Miezul_Carpatin]

pistolols wrote...

i certainly don't want a new ending at all. the one we've got is extremely compelling. it's a shame that so many of you are too simpleton to appreciate it.

Friend, I do not understand why the fact that some people hate the ending makes them in your opinion "simpletons". You got what you wanted, why shouldn't the others be satisfied as well? You are not forced to buy any future patch or dlc that adresses this issue so really, what is your problem?

[FortitudeSon]

Clarification and a new ending aren't at all mutually exclusive, and I hope bioware sees the dozens of suggestions which show how this could be done.

They could further clarify and explain the current endings, maybe make them a little more distinct, and add an option to reject the child's choices with the right setup or high enough paragon/renegade score. Granted, I'd hope they'd do more than this but it would be better than what we currently have.

Still holding.

[Tyrzun]

B1scuits wrote...

Turtles_AWD wrote...

jreezy wrote...

B1scuits wrote...

Don't speak for me. I'm happy with closure/explanation.
There's a lot in life that is beyond our control. Death is one of those things.
Shepard had to die. Just need it cleaned up a bit so it's not so confusing.

You're way off if you think Shepard's death is what the majority have a problem with.

I think he's also way off if he thinks Shepard had to die. Jesus is not the only hero figure in western mythology, people. It is possible to emulate others!

I must have a lot in common with Bio.. I seem to have failed to explain myself properly.

No you didn't.

The problem is people played the game and didn't understand what was going on.  So, they finally came up with their reasons why they were upset.

A.  This makes no sense.
B.  These endings sucks, same thing as above
C.  My choices didn't make any differnce.

So, in order to justify their "Rage" they won't let go of their "original" reason for being angry.  This isn't a bioware ME 3 thing, this is how people are.  It's why they refuse to listen and will deny facts.

How many people do you know that will happily admit they are wrong and keep an open mind?  Yeah... you can count on em 1 hand.

At first I was like what!  I didn't get to see the conclusion of my chioces... then Shep wakes up.  Then it ends.  I was angry, but because I didn't get to see how my choices through out the series made any difference.  <-----  that is the only thing we were told we would get.  We didn't get our own crafted ending.  Hence the only justifiable reason for Retake to exist.

NEVER EVER before did Bioware ever say you would get 16 different ending choices!  They said 16 different endings.  Meaning on in this ending you see how the rachni go on, or this ending the krogan, or this ending the geth, etc....  People that claim that don't know what they are talking about.  It's that simple.

Anyways, you're not doing a poor job of making your point.  They don't care what you say, they won't have an open mind nor ever admit they are wrong.  The primary reason for that is... to admit you are wrong in understanding something is to admit you weren't smart enough to understand it.  People aren't going to do that, it would take a lot of character to do that.

Don't blame yourself.

[StarGateGod]

sadly they dont get it, and releasing this will do very little to please many fans and will most likely instead drive them away. It is sad to see a great company become blinded by its success, this game seems to be a death knell for Bioware.
Unless they make a new ending i wont be buying anything ,as it is not possible to enough on to clarify all the plot holes they created

Modifié par StarGateGod, 23 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[Turtles_AWD]

ChuckieJ wrote...

Turtles_AWD wrote...

I think he's also way off if he thinks Shepard had to die. Jesus is not the only hero figure in western mythology, people. It is possible to emulate others!

Jesus is a historical figure from the Middle East. 

Yes, the bible is certainly not a part of the western literary canon, what could I have possibly been thinking. Things can only enter into the common mythology in the place where the story originates.

Obviously.

[Yttrian]

Closure doesn't change the singular ending based on a single persons nihilistic wish that nullfies why 90% of your customers play the game.

[Jackal7713]

Blind2Society wrote...

Oh and just for clarification, this is what @masseffect posted about an hour ago

"We are creating new content to clarify and add closure as per the request of many loyal fans! That's all."

Why am I not sure about this?

[Andur4]

This one will keep holding, but this one agrees. While clarification to unanswered questions is all well and good, the ending still just wouldn't fit, and our choices still wouldn't seem to matter. An ending that provides this is needed, as well as a sense of accomplishment.

[CaptainBlackGold]

Am I a bad person because I might actually buy the "naked Aria" DLC?

[bigbrowncows]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Not "we", you, and a bunch of other ignorant numptys

The ending is fine, just fill in the blanks

This...

[Turtles_AWD]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

Am I a bad person because I might actually buy the "naked Aria" DLC?

Wanting to play it? No.

Wanting to buy it? Yes.

[MindSweeper13]

Actually, I'd be fine with just clarification!

[Tyrzun]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

You are speculating and based on nothing.

The things I said are not speculation and are based on what you see.

Knocked out 20 meters from the Portal in full armor

Wake up with a pistol that has infinite ammo  <-----  That directly screams impossible.

So, the discussion stops right there.  None of that is possible.

You're "armor" blown off theory.  Well, Sheps armor goes all the way around ALL of his limbs and his torso.  There is no way to "blow" it off without blowing him apart.  <------ That directly screams impossible

So, in 2 ways Bioware says HEY what you are seeing is impossible.

Then you resist and wake up back with your full N7 armor on again.


You're other option is to believe Shep REALLY WAS in the citadel.  Chose destruction while wearing no armor, survived the explosion, survived being in space with no armor or helmet, survived falling through the atmospher without a helmet or armor, hit the earth at over 130mph minimum with no armor or helment, and then wakes up back in his full armor.


Those are your only 2 choices. 

It's pretty clear that one is plot hole free and makes sense and the other... the one you keep defending is ridiculous illogical.

I'm actually not speculating based on nothing. I'm making reasonable assumptions based the idea that the game should be consistent with itself.

What you're failing to realize is that although the indoctrination theory explains some amount of the plotholes that arise if the ending takes place in reality, it is equally problematic with this explanation.

Yes, it really is that terrible.

As far as basing your claim on what you see goes, you never see Shepard on Earth. You see an N7 body under rubble. You're extrapolating that it's Shepard (reasonable) and that he's on earth (says who?)

You've been told it's Shepard on earth by someone else on this forum or on youtube no doubt, so now it seems "painfully obvious" to you that it's the case.

Now do you have actual further evidence to support your claim or will you simply strawman me again, change the subject, and continue acting like a ****?

Wow resorting to name calling.  So, mature and people secure in their opinions feel the nneed to do that.  Consider your post reported. 

Everyone knows what they say about assumptions whch are worse than speculation, because speculation provides other possibilites.  Assumptions is you choose you, thus assuming that's the way it is.

Now considering you refused to choose which option I provided to you is more likely... as I knew you would.  It shows what I said is clearly the most logical and plot hole free.  I didn't figure you had it in you to admit it and I was right.

All you are doing is speculating again that Bioware magically put someone else into the game in N7 armor.  So, again you are adding stuff that is not there with your speculation.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[Elite Midget]

You want varied endings?

A Happy or sad ending at that?

No... You take this forced bittersweet one that ignores all your choices up to that point. It's cheaper this way.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 23 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Cgrissom]

I want some more choices damnit.

[xxskyshadowxx]

They ahve this one defining moment, not only to redeem themselves but to utterly blow people away....and I am sensing that much like the ending, they are going to botch it.

[BunnyisCthulhu]

I suppose it depends what the 'claification' and 'closure' ends up being. Personally, I have no faith in them making the current endings make 1. sense, 2. worthwhile.

Nor do I have any faith in them providing closure with the current endings.

I also want to point out that if the representation needs clarification then something is wrong. It needs rethinking and redoing altogether, not giving clarification. Having the company have to spell out the ending for me doesn't make it enjoyable, it's just insulting.

"Filling in the blanks" does not make for a good ending to a trilogy. It just shows poor writing.

Also, please don't throw insults at one another guys. It doesn't endear anyone to you nor does it make you look smart. Please remain civil.

[ChuckieJ]

Total Biscuit wrote...

This is the problem with giving a one size fits all ending. There needs to be variety to satisfy the incredibly varied reasons people were playing the game, because while there are those of us who just want clarification and are happy with it as is, but just want it to actually make sense, there's also those who are completely unsatisfied by any of the results the current ending gives, and are never going to be pacified with more details for something they HATE. 

Both sides are valid, and both sides should have been catered to with multiple, distinctly different endings.

You know, WHAT WE WERE PROMISED FOR YEARS.

If they don't fix it properly for BOTH camps, they're going to be in trouble and loosing customers from one camp or the other.

TB, I love what you do but seriously:

1) I thought you weren't buying ME3!? ( I agreed with you until I found out that, kind of as expected, the DLC was not a true Day 0 DLC)
2) Research the Indoctrination Theory. If true, and I believe it is, synthesis is a LIE and does not need to be explained. Control is also a LIE. The Reapers are simply trying to get you to follow the roads that Saren and The Illusive Man did, respectively.

As I see it, more hints at indoctrination are needed. Also we need a mission where we play what happens if you chose destruction and break free of the Reapers' attempts. Maybe it will be to activate the Crucible for real, maybe it will be to fight the Reapers with plain old military might. We'll have to see but I do think we need one more mission. It should be free and there should be a way to distribute it to people with minimal internet access.

[Tyrzun]

Ruari wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

Turtles_AWD wrote...

ChuckieJ wrote...


The Starchild does not exist.  One of the pieces of evidence is that no one on the shuttle tries to help the child jump on to it. He must swing one leg up and get on that way by himself. Surely a refugee would have helped him get on if only to speed the evacuation process.

The child is merely another tool in the Reapers' indoctrination arsenal. It tries to convince you that Control or Synthesis are preferable to Destroying the Reapers. 

The Magic Beams also do not exist. The entire sequence is in your mind but that doesn't make it unimportant  or unreal. The consequences of what happens in your Citadel-mindspace are very real.
If you give in, you become like Saren or the Illusive Man. 
If you don't, you wake up in London (hopefully) ready to finish the fight. 

Now let's finish it! 

There's a picture of the kid on the memorial wall. To view him as an agent of indoctrination is interesting but unplanned by bioware and just as problematic regarding the ending.

I have to agree.  The kid is obviously real.  The people thinking the kid is part of a slow indoctrination have no evidence at all.  He haunts Shep from Earth.  Harbinger does later choose that form when attempting to get you to indoctrinate yourself though.  He's in your mind after all.

Also, these slow indoctrination theorists aren't remember what it takes to indoctrinate you.  You must be constantly in the presence of the "Fields" reapers project for indoctrination to occure.  Shep never is.  Unless he is actually fighting Reapers up close.  Like Harbinger at the end.  Which is why Harbinger goes the direct mental assualt route.  The only reason Harbinger could try is Shep was already knocked out.  

I'm fine with the general idea of the Indoc theory. I don't even think it has to be slow. To me it's just a "mental assault" the reapers are trying. We still don't know what they're capable of, heck maybe everyone of them around Earth just focuses on Shepard in one attack. Who knows?

That would just make it all the more epic when Shep wins

Aye there is no documented characters in existence that were indoctrinated instantly instead of slowly.  All we know is they lose their minds if it happens.  Hence why Shep resisted and woke up.    

I dunno if he'll live or not, but it should be epic.

[Bocks]

Not gonna stop "****ing and whining" as they put it until they give me what I paid $60 for.

[Jackal7713]

Miezul_Carpatin wrote...

pistolols wrote...

i certainly don't want a new ending at all. the one we've got is extremely compelling. it's a shame that so many of you are too simpleton to appreciate it.

Friend, I do not understand why the fact that some people hate the ending makes them in your opinion "simpletons". You got what you wanted, why shouldn't the others be satisfied as well? You are not forced to buy any future patch or dlc that adresses this issue so really, what is your problem?

^ This. People need to learn to express themselves without insulting others to make their opinion valid. What is it about being civil that people can't get? Didn't people learn this growing up?

[Tyrzun]

ChuckieJ wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...

This is the problem with giving a one size fits all ending. There needs to be variety to satisfy the incredibly varied reasons people were playing the game, because while there are those of us who just want clarification and are happy with it as is, but just want it to actually make sense, there's also those who are completely unsatisfied by any of the results the current ending gives, and are never going to be pacified with more details for something they HATE. 

Both sides are valid, and both sides should have been catered to with multiple, distinctly different endings.

You know, WHAT WE WERE PROMISED FOR YEARS.

If they don't fix it properly for BOTH camps, they're going to be in trouble and loosing customers from one camp or the other.

TB, I love what you do but seriously:

1) I thought you weren't buying ME3!? ( I agreed with you until I found out that, kind of as expected, the DLC was not a true Day 0 DLC)
2) Research the Indoctrination Theory. If true, and I believe it is, synthesis is a LIE and does not need to be explained. Control is also a LIE. The Reapers are simply trying to get you to follow the roads that Saren and The Illusive Man did, respectively.

As I see it, more hints at indoctrination are needed. Also we need a mission where we play what happens if you chose destruction and break free of the Reapers' attempts. Maybe it will be to activate the Crucible for real, maybe it will be to fight the Reapers with plain old military might. We'll have to see but I do think we need one more mission. It should be free and there should be a way to distribute it to people with minimal internet access.

Congratulations for seeing how clear it all is.

[Persephone]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

As far as basing your claim on what you see goes, you never see Shepard on Earth. You see an N7 body under rubble. You're extrapolating that it's Shepard (reasonable) and that he's on earth (says who?)

You've been told it's Shepard on earth by someone else on this forum or on youtube no doubt, so now it seems "painfully obvious" to you that it's the case.

Now do you have actual further evidence to support your claim or will you simply strawman me again, change the subject, and continue acting like a ****?

The video being called something like "Shepard_alive" MIGHT have been a clue. Or logic, given that Shep is the only N7 operative we meet and the person's gender CHANGES depending on SHEP'S GENDER.

Check the data on the disc. The video's name clears it up beyond all doubt.