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[Persephone]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

They ahve this one defining moment, not only to redeem themselves but to utterly blow people away....and I am sensing that much like the ending, they are going to botch it.

And attitudes like yours make me wonder why they even bother. No matter what content they offer, the "fanbase" will continue its witch hunt.

[Tyrzun]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Miezul_Carpatin wrote...

pistolols wrote...

i certainly don't want a new ending at all. the one we've got is extremely compelling. it's a shame that so many of you are too simpleton to appreciate it.

Friend, I do not understand why the fact that some people hate the ending makes them in your opinion "simpletons". You got what you wanted, why shouldn't the others be satisfied as well? You are not forced to buy any future patch or dlc that adresses this issue so really, what is your problem?

^ This. People need to learn to express themselves without insulting others to make their opinion valid. What is it about being civil that people can't get? Didn't people learn this growing up?

No people don't learn it growing up. 

Just remember when people resort to name calling it's because they know their stance has no real ground and that's why their emotions come out.  Just keep reporting their posts and be proud you are different.

[Turtles_AWD]

Tyrzun wrote...

Wow resorting to name calling.  So, mature and people secure in their opinions feel the nneed to do that.  Consider your post reported. 

Everyone knows what they say about assumptions whch are worse than speculation, because speculation provides other possibilites.  Assumptions is you choose you, thus assuming that's the way it is.

Now considering you refused to choose which option I provided to you is more likely... as I knew you would.  It shows what I said is clearly the most logical and plot hole free.  I didn't figure you had it in you to admit it and I was right.

All you are doing is speculating again that Bioware magically put someone else into the game in N7 armor.  So, again you are adding stuff that is not there with your speculation.

Here is the option that is most likely: Both options are filled with plotholes. Bioware messed up. The entire ending sequence is bad.

That's what I've been trying to tell you, which you have once again failed to pick up on. I won't admit you're right because you're not right.

The ending, taken from the perspective of the indoctrination theory, has plotholes.

I suspect you skipped that last bit, so I'll type it again but bolder:

The ending, taken from the perspective of the indoctrination theory, has plotholes.

Are you following me?

Still with me here?

Let that one sink in for a second.

Alright here we go. This is how this is going to work. Your job now is to go back and read my other posts, identify what I consider a plothole, and then address it with information from the games themselves.

This is what you've completely failed to do, instead rephrasing what I said so you can disregard it.

[Tyrzun]

Persephone wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

They ahve this one defining moment, not only to redeem themselves but to utterly blow people away....and I am sensing that much like the ending, they are going to botch it.

And attitudes like yours make me wonder why they even bother. No matter what content they offer, the "fanbase" will continue its witch hunt.

Funny how you choose to respond to only people saying stuff like that and then imply the "fanbase" is all like that.

Isn't that the opposite of trying to be paint a clear and accurate picture?  Why ever would someone want to do that?

[Jackal7713]

Edit: This is to all the people acting rudely to one another. To all the people having a good civil debate- Thank you. Your great people and keep showing the others what a civil debate is like!

Can people just be civil to one another and not insult each other?

WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE!

You don't need to insult everyone that doesn't agree with you. I bet if you did this face to face with someone, you'd have something more then a heated debate.  So why do you think jumping on a keyboard gives you a pair to act like this?

/end rant

Modifié par Jackal7713, 23 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[Turtles_AWD]

Persephone wrote...

The video being called something like "Shepard_alive" MIGHT have been a clue. Or logic, given that Shep is the only N7 operative we meet and the person's gender CHANGES depending on SHEP'S GENDER.

Check the data on the disc. The video's name clears it up beyond all doubt.

And this makes thinking that it is Shepard reasonable. As you may notice, I never claimed otherwise.

Now find me the file that's named Shepard_alive_on_earth, and maybe I'll consider that assumption to be a little stronger.

[Persephone]

Tyrzun wrote...

Persephone wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

They ahve this one defining moment, not only to redeem themselves but to utterly blow people away....and I am sensing that much like the ending, they are going to botch it.

And attitudes like yours make me wonder why they even bother. No matter what content they offer, the "fanbase" will continue its witch hunt.

Funny how you choose to respond to only people saying stuff like that and then imply the "fanbase" is all like that.

Isn't that the opposite of trying to be paint a clear and accurate picture?  Why ever would someone want to do that?

The majority I have seen here. on Amazon etc. is exactly like that, sadly.

[Tyrzun]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

Wow resorting to name calling.  So, mature and people secure in their opinions feel the nneed to do that.  Consider your post reported. 

Everyone knows what they say about assumptions whch are worse than speculation, because speculation provides other possibilites.  Assumptions is you choose you, thus assuming that's the way it is.

Now considering you refused to choose which option I provided to you is more likely... as I knew you would.  It shows what I said is clearly the most logical and plot hole free.  I didn't figure you had it in you to admit it and I was right.

All you are doing is speculating again that Bioware magically put someone else into the game in N7 armor.  So, again you are adding stuff that is not there with your speculation.

Here is the option that is most likely: Both options are filled with plotholes. Bioware messed up. The entire ending sequence is bad.

That's what I've been trying to tell you, which you have once again failed to pick up on. I won't admit you're right because you're not right.

The ending, taken from the perspective of the indoctrination theory, has plotholes.

I suspect you skipped that last bit, so I'll type it again but bolder:

The ending, taken from the perspective of the indoctrination theory, has plotholes.

Are you following me?

Still with me here?

Let that one sink in for a second.

Alright here we go. This is how this is going to work. Your job now is to go back and read my other posts, identify what I consider a plothole, and then address it with information from the games themselves.

This is what you've completely failed to do, instead rephrasing what I said so you can disregard it.

No, this theory of you are entitled to not answer my questions and act like people have to do what you say isn't real.

Every intelligent person can clearly see what you are doing.  The crazy thing is you think your "deflection" tactics are original and actually work.

We all know what I said has no plot holes in in at all compared to option 2 and you claim they are the same.  When clearly... what I said is far more logical.

The thing is I don't need you to agree.  I know why you are refusing.  As you said... you can't admit you are wrong.  We all know that. A person that name calls clearly doesn't have what it takes to admit they are wrong, because they think  an emotional attack makes up for the lack of substance they know they have.

Have a nice day.

[Persephone]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The video being called something like "Shepard_alive" MIGHT have been a clue. Or logic, given that Shep is the only N7 operative we meet and the person's gender CHANGES depending on SHEP'S GENDER.

Check the data on the disc. The video's name clears it up beyond all doubt.

And this makes thinking that it is Shepard reasonable. As you may notice, I never claimed otherwise.

Now find me the file that's named Shepard_alive_on_earth, and maybe I'll consider that assumption to be a little stronger.

Where else would he/she be? REASONABLY? Falling off the citadel = certain death. Never mind the explosions. Logic, again. And the rubble looks nothing like the Citadel but much more like devastated earth.

[ChuckieJ]

Turtles_AWD wrote...


As far as basing your claim on what you see goes, you never see Shepard on Earth. You see an N7 body under rubble. You're extrapolating that it's Shepard (reasonable) and that he's on earth (says who?)

You've been told it's Shepard on earth by someone else on this forum or on youtube no doubt, so now it seems "painfully obvious" to you that it's the case.

1) Who else would it be? Vega? (Note: to be 100% obvious the character in the rubble should have been generated in-engine wearing whatever armor you were wearing, including the spiky Amalur armor. This fact that it is plain-jane N7 armor does bother me.)
2) The rubble is consistent with the destruction happening in London prior to the Citadel scenes
3) The blueish-white glow behind the rubble is similar to the transport beam color.

This leads me to a conclusion (albeit not 100% solid) that you wake up in London near the beam having never actually gone to the Citadel. It may not be "painfully" obvious to me but it does make a lot of sense.

[Whiskey Jay]

Bioware founded the Mass Effect series on player choice. If they screw up their one chance to fix the ending they leave me with one choice: "don't buy Bioware products, games, or content." The los of my business is significant because gaming is my primary hobby. I buy all the games that interest me, when I like a game I buy all the dlc, I am a daily player, and I have convinced multiple people to try Mass Effect...ALL OF THEM got hooked. My conversations lead to bioware profit.

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

[Persephone]

ChuckieJ wrote...

Turtles_AWD wrote...


As far as basing your claim on what you see goes, you never see Shepard on Earth. You see an N7 body under rubble. You're extrapolating that it's Shepard (reasonable) and that he's on earth (says who?)

You've been told it's Shepard on earth by someone else on this forum or on youtube no doubt, so now it seems "painfully obvious" to you that it's the case.

1) Who else would it be? Vega? (Note: to be 100% obvious the character in the rubble should have been generated in-engine wearing whatever armor you were wearing, including the spiky Amalur armor. This fact that it is plain-jane N7 armor does bother me.)
2) The rubble is consistent with the destruction happening in London prior to the Citadel scenes
3) The blueish-white glow behind the rubble is similar to the transport beam color.

This leads me to a conclusion (albeit not 100% solid) that you wake up in London near the beam having never actually gone to the Citadel. It may not be "painfully" obvious to me but it does make a lot of sense.

Can't be Vega. If Fem Shep is played, the person waking up is clearly female.

[Turtles_AWD]

Tyrzun wrote...

No, this theory of you are entitled to not answer my questions and act like people have to do what you say isn't real.

Every intelligent person can clearly see what you are doing.  The crazy thing is you think your "deflection" tactics are original and actually work.

We all know what I said has no plot holes in in at all compared to option 2 and you claim they are the same.  When clearly... what I said is far more logical.

The thing is I don't need you to agree.  I know why you are refusing.  As you said... you can't admit you are wrong.  We all know that. A person that name calls clearly doesn't have what it takes to admit they are wrong, because they think  an emotional attack makes up for the lack of substance they know they have.

Have a nice day.

It is not a theory that I am entitled to have my questions answered.

It is the fact that the burden of proof is on you, because you're the one saying things like

"MY version of the ending is the one that is 100% FOOLPROOF FOREVER and if you don't get how it isn't you JUST. AREN'T. SMART ENOUGH."

That's you. That's what you sound like.

And once again, you have not shown me why I should believe Shepard is capable of simply throwing off indoctrination when everything else in the universe this takes place in contradicts this entirely.

It would be like trying to get your heart to stop beating.

You are the only one who "knows" that what you said has no plotholes, because you're a pseudo-intellectual who has jumped on the indoctrination theory bandwagon because it lets you feel superior to other people.

The indoctrination theory has never had a worse defender than you.

[Apathy1989]

 Indeed. What the hell.

Worse possible option is for them to bolt on to the crap ending.

Second worse is indoctrination theory, adding in a real ending.

Second best is to simply cut out the starchild scene, and give an ending where the crucible simply fires, then some epilogue.

Best option is to give a proper remake of the last 15 minutes.

[TimTheGreek]

The only thing you can really do is hurt them by not purchasing they're DLC , because loss of money is the only thing that will make them listen/want to change things. I wont argue with other people here because there are people who like that ending, but i think i paid the same money so why shouldn't i get a satisfying ending as well ?

[Persephone]

Whiskey Jay wrote...

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

I wonder though... all you people saying that, which developer is your alternative for this kind of game? No one makes them like Bioware.

[MysticFred]

IMO no matter what "theory" or explanation anyone decides to accept and/or follow, they all will have plot holes because of the scenes they decided to add at the end, which, depending on how you look at them, one or the other will make absolutely no god-damn sense.

Modifié par MysticFred, 23 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Tyrzun]

Persephone wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

Persephone wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

They ahve this one defining moment, not only to redeem themselves but to utterly blow people away....and I am sensing that much like the ending, they are going to botch it.

And attitudes like yours make me wonder why they even bother. No matter what content they offer, the "fanbase" will continue its witch hunt.

Funny how you choose to respond to only people saying stuff like that and then imply the "fanbase" is all like that.

Isn't that the opposite of trying to be paint a clear and accurate picture?  Why ever would someone want to do that?

The majority I have seen here. on Amazon etc. is exactly like that, sadly.

You have a legit point about what they are saying is not fair.  I agree with you.  I do.

However, considering we've won according to many media sources.  Most of the movement has moved on.  What is left is those that never wanted what we wanted.

All we wanted was the 16 endings.  Which doesn't mean 16 ending chiocesm no Bioware ever had that.  We wanted to the 16 endings based on our previous choices.  Seeing what happens with the geth, rackni, krogans, etc...  Like DA:O.  

I applaud Bioware getting so many people to ignore the warning about indoctrination for 3 entire games and then having people ignore all of that and indoctrinate themselves.  It is a first to get gamers to "lose" the game on purpose. 

ALL Bioware ever promised was all of our choices mattering at the end.  That's all we wanted.  Dr. Fay Muzkya admited we didn't get what we expected and called us the core.  Most of us that read that saw the great respect he showed us and are now waiting to see if he backs it up.  So, they've left the boards for the most part.  Now the majority that are left are... not like us shall we say.

What is left are the people... you see here.  Many are not civil, disrespectful, and demanding Bioware make an ending they can understand.  Which they have no right to do.  They do owe us what was promised tying up the loose ends and having our choices make a difference.  But it's impossible to make something everyone likes.  That's ridiculous.  I'm with you on that, but still holding the line.

[Whiskey Jay]

You can try and polish a turd all you like...in the end it's still a turd.

[Turtles_AWD]

Persephone wrote...

Whiskey Jay wrote...

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

I wonder though... all you people saying that, which developer is your alternative for this kind of game? No one makes them like Bioware.

Obsidian does.

This ending makes me think they should have let them make the sequels all along, like they've done with every other IP they work with.

[Rafe34]

The Angry One wrote...

Sparse wrote...

They were never going to totally remake a chunk of the game. So long as what they come up with isn't another 'lots of speculation' think it will be a dramatic improvement.

Well, they better do just that or I'm done with them forever.
The Normandy scene isn't even voiced, all you lose is some mediocre CGI.

You also lose some of their LOTS OF SPECULATION!

We can't have that, Tao.

[Tyrzun]

MysticFred wrote...

IMO no matter what "theory" or explanation anyone decides to accept and/or follow, they all will have plot holes because of the scenes they decided to add at the end, which, depending on how you look at them, one or the other will make absolutely no god-damn sense.

Sure they do.  Blue, Green, and Red all happen in your mind.  Before waking up in dream land and after you wake up for real is reallity. 

[Sashimi_taco]

I do not want clarification why Genocide, the mass violation/rape of an entire galaxy and forced homogenization, and losing your humanity are the right choices for solving the problem of war between two different types of people. It is like they have never read a history book in their entire lives, or they are the most privileged set of people who exist in today's society.

How can you possibly be so disconnected with war, civil rights, and morality to possibly think these endings are okay to write, and even defend. It is a spit in the face to explain to me how these are the right things to do.

[alex13abc]

Lotsa speculation for everyone.

[Turtles_AWD]

Tyrzun wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

IMO no matter what "theory" or explanation anyone decides to accept and/or follow, they all will have plot holes because of the scenes they decided to add at the end, which, depending on how you look at them, one or the other will make absolutely no god-damn sense.

Sure they do.  Blue, Green, and Red all happen in your mind.  Before waking up in dream land and after you wake up for real is reallity. 

Once again, one does not simply throw off the effects of indoctrination. Please go back and play through Virmire. You will learn things, I promise.