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[Rafe34]

Persephone wrote...

Whiskey Jay wrote...

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

I wonder though... all you people saying that, which developer is your alternative for this kind of game? No one makes them like Bioware.

CDProjekt Red, Bethesda, 38 Studios did well with KoAR, looking forward to see what they can do. Obsidian, every now and again.

But the big one? Blizzard, with Diablo III. Hopefully that's a real RPG.

[Turtles_AWD]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

I do not want clarification why Genocide, the mass violation/rape of an entire galaxy and forced homogenization, and losing your humanity are the right choices for solving the problem of war between two different types of people. It is like they have never read a history book in their entire lives, or they are the most privileged set of people who exist in today's society.

How can you possibly be so disconnected with war, civil rights, and morality to possibly think these endings are okay to write, and even defend. It is a spit in the face to explain to me how these are the right things to do.

Seriously, this ending is so bad it's indoctrinated all of these people into thinking that only the renegade option can possibly make sense.

[dukiduki]

What does clarification and closure mean and what is the alternative they do not want to do?

Given the fact that the current ending hardly makes any sense at all, I can't see them coming out of there without a massive re-con, anything else probably wouldn't work. And that still wouldn't give us an ending that depends on the choice we have made (you know, the endings we were promised)

[Persephone]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Whiskey Jay wrote...

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

I wonder though... all you people saying that, which developer is your alternative for this kind of game? No one makes them like Bioware.

Obsidian does.

This ending makes me think they should have let them make the sequels all along, like they've done with every other IP they work with.

Given that I think that KOTOR 2 and NWN2 are bugged, subpar games. no thanks. What has Obsidian released recently that comes even CLOSE to ME2&3? 

[MysticFred]

Tyrzun wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

IMO no matter what "theory" or explanation anyone decides to accept and/or follow, they all will have plot holes because of the scenes they decided to add at the end, which, depending on how you look at them, one or the other will make absolutely no god-damn sense.

Sure they do.  Blue, Green, and Red all happen in your mind.  Before waking up in dream land and after you wake up for real is reallity. 

Two words: Stargazer scene.

[ZerebusPrime]

Malevolence65 wrote...

SilentWolfie wrote...
We want a new ENDING NOT SOME CLARIFICATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this

It's funny how Bioware now has "artistic integrity". Their ending isn't art. If you have to call it art, then call it bad art. It's just awful, even when looking at it from an objective standpoint.

Their ending is too art!  It's got plenty of primary colors...

[Valo_Soren]

9400 votes compared to the 2 million plus games sold, not enough opinions. vocal minority.

[Persephone]

Rafe34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Whiskey Jay wrote...

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

I wonder though... all you people saying that, which developer is your alternative for this kind of game? No one makes them like Bioware.

CDProjekt Red, Bethesda, 38 Studios did well with KoAR, looking forward to see what they can do. Obsidian, every now and again.

But the big one? Blizzard, with Diablo III. Hopefully that's a real RPG.

CDPR only has TW series....

Bethseda makes sandbox games, entirely different.

Will have to try KOAR.

Never considered Diablo an RPG but a H&S fest. No story to speak of IMHO.

[Rafe34]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

IMO no matter what "theory" or explanation anyone decides to accept and/or follow, they all will have plot holes because of the scenes they decided to add at the end, which, depending on how you look at them, one or the other will make absolutely no god-damn sense.

Sure they do.  Blue, Green, and Red all happen in your mind.  Before waking up in dream land and after you wake up for real is reallity. 

Once again, one does not simply throw off the effects of indoctrination. Please go back and play through Virmire. You will learn things, I promise.

Saren and TIM did/can, briefly. The more you know....

[ChuckieJ]

Miezul_Carpatin wrote...

pistolols wrote...

i certainly don't want a new ending at all. the one we've got is extremely compelling. it's a shame that so many of you are too simpleton to appreciate it.

Friend, I do not understand why the fact that some people hate the ending makes them in your opinion "simpletons". You got what you wanted, why shouldn't the others be satisfied as well? You are not forced to buy any future patch or dlc that adresses this issue so really, what is your problem?

There's a bigger reason to not insult these people as "simpletons". (Other than the obvious one: baseless insults are plain wrong)

Assuming that Indoctrination theory is correct, the hints were VERY subtle. I did not pick up on them. I was coming home from work (usually late) trying to go through the campaign a few hours at a time: recruit allies, meet up with old friends, etc. Much like indoctrination itself, it was so subtle that I simply missed it.

Many other people are coming to the same conclusion and feeling the same way. These people are not simpletons. If the Theory is correct, Bioware did a laudable job of bringing the gamer into the shoes of Shepard by allowing us to experience Indoctrination in the closest way possible. 

[Turtles_AWD]

Persephone wrote...

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Whiskey Jay wrote...

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

I wonder though... all you people saying that, which developer is your alternative for this kind of game? No one makes them like Bioware.

Obsidian does.

This ending makes me think they should have let them make the sequels all along, like they've done with every other IP they work with.

Given that I think that KOTOR 2 and NWN2 are bugged, subpar games. no thanks. What has Obsidian released recently that comes even CLOSE to ME2&3? 

Mask of the betrayer is generally considered amazing, and they were rushed with KOTOR 2.

Also, fallout new vegas. They're also working on a game based on the wheel of time. Interesting how they were chosen for a project like that and not, say, this company.

Obsidian inhereted some of the talent from Troika when they went defunct as I recall, so you could say they've picked up some of the founders of the WRPG genre.

[meiwow2]

tobito113 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

If they aren't going to do the indoctrination theory

-We want star child to disappear because the idea behind him sucks
-We want to have the option of not nuking the entire galaxy
-We want a more conclusive way of killing reapers other than space magic
-We'd like the ending most of all to make sense.

You dont speak for me and many others, so drop that we from your post please...

He speaks for the mayority of us whether you like it or not.

[Krogan Warlord666]

They need to change the endings COMPLETELY.

[Turtles_AWD]

Rafe34 wrote...

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

IMO no matter what "theory" or explanation anyone decides to accept and/or follow, they all will have plot holes because of the scenes they decided to add at the end, which, depending on how you look at them, one or the other will make absolutely no god-damn sense.

Sure they do.  Blue, Green, and Red all happen in your mind.  Before waking up in dream land and after you wake up for real is reallity. 

Once again, one does not simply throw off the effects of indoctrination. Please go back and play through Virmire. You will learn things, I promise.

Saren and TIM did/can, briefly. The more you know....

Yes! Briefly!

So Shepard resists indoctrination. Cool! Wakes up on earth. Still indoctrinated!

Shoots himself in the face a la Saren. Roll Credits!

Indoctrination is permanent, and the degradation is inevitable.

[Dragoonlordz]

Not happening. /Thread.

On Facebook they said they will not be changing/altering the endings themselves. When take in hand this fact on top of how they approached DA2 negative feedback with the DLC released after it seems without doubt that there will be DLC, this DLC will have content that addresses the problems some have but I know that just like they said back then they cannot and will not change the core game and that all changes will come as extra content through DLC; what it means its the endings will remain as they are, the additional content will resolve unanswered question and any plot holes to bring more closure for people but that is all it will do and will be done outside of the core game.

Bioware always looks at the feedback and tries to address it in DLC. What is being done here is exactly the same as what has been done in the past. There was always going to be DLC in a form to help address issues with the core game based on feedback. This is what they are doing here too.

They will not subtract or cut the ending for you, they will not replace the endings for you. There has been many elements of proof about this. They do not change the core of their games they add to it and try to resolve such with DLC. It is not manipulation of the narrative, it is in fact business as usual. The DLC will be additional, optional and it will be based on feedback which is to me it will include more content that clarifiys the endings already present, the cataylst, the relays, normandy and such. In that clarification it will bring many closer to the closure asking for.

If you think they will either cut or change the original endings you will be mistaken. Additional exposition via DLC new content but keeping integrity of their developed product/art whatever you wish to debate it as and out of respect for their creativity the core game will not be changed. They have said the original endings will not be altered regarding ME3 on facebook and on DA2 they said the same thing in the past regarding negative feedback then and their stance I doubt has changed which is good and I agree with them in that stance. Do not pin your hopes on replacement or change to the core game, all closure and exposition will be additional to what already exists but all the same it will be new content on top.

If people are not happy with such compromise they may as well pack up now rather than later because this is how they have always done it in past, how they will do it in future too. It is the right way to do it and preserves both the creators content and also at same time tries to address issues people have outside the core game itself but relating to elements within that core game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[Rafe34]

Persephone wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Whiskey Jay wrote...

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

I wonder though... all you people saying that, which developer is your alternative for this kind of game? No one makes them like Bioware.

CDProjekt Red, Bethesda, 38 Studios did well with KoAR, looking forward to see what they can do. Obsidian, every now and again.

But the big one? Blizzard, with Diablo III. Hopefully that's a real RPG.

CDPR only has TW series....

Bethseda makes sandbox games, entirely different.

Will have to try KOAR.

Never considered Diablo an RPG but a H&S fest. No story to speak of IMHO.

Did you play Diablo? It's got a great story. 

CDPR only has TW... yes? It's a great RPG, with a fanbase that creates custom modules for both TW1 and TW2. I can spend a lot of time there.

Sure, what Bethesda makes is entirely different.  Doesn't mean it's not an RPG, nor that I can't enjoy it. It's not exactly the same as BW, but FO:NV is a better game than most that I've played, (now that the glitches are out of it, gah, those were annoying).

Assassin's Creed series is also fun, I'm catching up on it, since I haven't played Brotherhood or Revelations yet. I believe that's Ubisoft.

[Skyline45]

ID Theory is still their best move.

[GimmeDaGun]

That's right a new thoughtful endings which really are affected by previous decisions and EMS and has a lot more variety. They can keep a few parts of the original ending as well. But we basically want the promised "16" endings with the promised super happy one and the one where the reapers win! (I think that we would be happy if we had like 5 or 6 main endings and several variations based on what happened earlier and who lives or dies).

NO CLARIFICATION!!!! ---> NEW ENDING

[Rafe34]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

IMO no matter what "theory" or explanation anyone decides to accept and/or follow, they all will have plot holes because of the scenes they decided to add at the end, which, depending on how you look at them, one or the other will make absolutely no god-damn sense.

Sure they do.  Blue, Green, and Red all happen in your mind.  Before waking up in dream land and after you wake up for real is reallity. 

Once again, one does not simply throw off the effects of indoctrination. Please go back and play through Virmire. You will learn things, I promise.

Saren and TIM did/can, briefly. The more you know....

Yes! Briefly!

So Shepard resists indoctrination. Cool! Wakes up on earth. Still indoctrinated!

Shoots himself in the face a la Saren. Roll Credits!

Indoctrination is permanent, and the degradation is inevitable.

To borrow from a partly fictitious account:

"Stopping the greatest threat this galaxy has ever known? You can't possibly succeed at doing this, Shepard."

"They told me that about Ilos as well. And about the Omega-4 relay."

Shepard breaks indoctrination because s/he's Shepard. Not to mention, if you really knew what the theory states, Shepard isn't yet indoctrinated- if you choose Blue or Green, then indoc is complete. If you choose red, then you never become fully indoctrinated.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rafe34 wrote...

Did you play Diablo? It's got a great story. 

CDPR only has TW... yes? It's a great RPG, with a fanbase that creates custom modules for both TW1 and TW2. I can spend a lot of time there.

Sure, what Bethesda makes is entirely different.  Doesn't mean it's not an RPG, nor that I can't enjoy it. It's not exactly the same as BW, but FO:NV is a better game than most that I've played, (now that the glitches are out of it, gah, those were annoying).

Assassin's Creed series is also fun, I'm catching up on it, since I haven't played Brotherhood or Revelations yet. I believe that's Ubisoft.

Diablo 3 /drools...... Diablo has got a very good story it is just expressed in a different way.

However I will admit the story is not why I am buying that game. The truly mind boggling loot, random generated dungeons and co-op in form of inviting friends int your world and vice versa and other gameplay elements is why I am getting it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[Turtles_AWD]

Skyline45 wrote...

ID Theory is still their best move.

It really isn't.

It simplifies the entire endgame scenario to right or wrong, and it still means nothing you've done choice-wise up to this point matters.

The best thing about this theory is that it has indoctrinated everyone into thinking that only the renegade option is correct.

[terdferguson123]

First of all OP, get that "we" out of there. You do not speak for everybody, and the fact that you put that "we" in there just shows how arrogant you are. Your group of "we" is actually a small group of people who are loud, obnoxious, and always hate on something regardless of what it is, you enjoy hating, so that's what you do.

That said, the current ending would be perfectly fine if Bioware gives us more to extrapolate on, such as more investigative options with the catalyst as well as an epilogue of sorts.

Since you are apparently incompetent, let me state this plain and simple: You do not and will not ever speak for everyone, just because your loud and annoying does not mean your opinion is fact enough that you can throw around statements that speak for everyone.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 23 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

I do not want clarification why Genocide, the mass violation/rape of an entire galaxy and forced homogenization, and losing your humanity are the right choices for solving the problem of war between two different types of people. It is like they have never read a history book in their entire lives, or they are the most privileged set of people who exist in today's society.

How can you possibly be so disconnected with war, civil rights, and morality to possibly think these endings are okay to write, and even defend. It is a spit in the face to explain to me how these are the right things to do.

Seriously, this ending is so bad it's indoctrinated all of these people into thinking that only the renegade option can possibly make sense.

Which endings is the renegade option though? I can't even tell because each one of them fits the United Nations' definition of CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. 

[Blue Liara]

New endings. NOT clarification or explanation. The current endings are AWFUL and indefensible and need to go. HOLD THE LINE

[Rafe34]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Whiskey Jay wrote...

People like me are the people Bioware lose from the fan base if they mess up the fix. I truly hope they realize the chance they have hear and are smart enough to truly take advantage of it. If they don't I am so done with Bioware it isn't even funny.

I wonder though... all you people saying that, which developer is your alternative for this kind of game? No one makes them like Bioware.

Obsidian does.

This ending makes me think they should have let them make the sequels all along, like they've done with every other IP they work with.

Given that I think that KOTOR 2 and NWN2 are bugged, subpar games. no thanks. What has Obsidian released recently that comes even CLOSE to ME2&3? 

Mask of the betrayer is generally considered amazing, and they were rushed with KOTOR 2.

Also, fallout new vegas. They're also working on a game based on the wheel of time. Interesting how they were chosen for a project like that and not, say, this company.

Obsidian inhereted some of the talent from Troika when they went defunct as I recall, so you could say they've picked up some of the founders of the WRPG genre.

Isn't FO:NV Bethesda's?

But yeah, MotB was fantastic. Besides the fact that the point of the Neverwinter Nights games has always been about the community modules. If you played NWN1 and didn't play any of the community modules that are essentially full-length video games that are free, you're missing out. Modules like Prophet, Saleron's Gambit, Rose of Eternity, etc. The community is what makes NWN1 and NWN2 such great games, even now.