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[Leninsaurus]

Guys, I really do agree with all of you, and if - in the worst case scenario - this means that they only add an epilogue to this ending, then yeah, we have every right to be angry and frustrated and then I really will begin to question their reasoning.

BUT maybe expanding upon it means we get more options? Maybe we can tell the Starchild off? Maybe they actually introduce the Indoctrination-theory? Expanding doesn't necessarily mean that the ending, just as it is now, will stay the way it is.

Mind you, I don't have any hope or faith that they are actually changing the ending to such a degree that it will become a satisifying, consistent closure to the series, but I'm just saying that we have too little information to lash out immediately.

[Claym0re]

So the red-blue-green endings remain. Wonderful! Just the thing everyone was hoping for! Well done BW your ears work perfect.

[Keldon Northwind]

Wow... so much fail. The ending was bad enough; Bioware claiming they're listening and simply adding on to the current catastrophy that is the ending proves they're not.

[Emberwake]

Bioware: if you want any idea of how your ending was received, visit this thread.

Read every post. 10 pages (and growing), without a single positive comment. That's not an ending that you can salvage. PLEASE take a step back and look at what you've done.

Modifié par Lochias WH, 24 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[RedTail F22]

Why Bioware? Why?... Why risk loosing the fans of your own company because of pride.

[Lethys1]

 Two issues with using a poll.  One, you won't get people voting unless they feel strongly one way or the other.  For example, I'm not voting in it because I'd like to see their next step before further criticism.  Two, the pool from which you're drawing is obviously not representative of the masses.

As for the ending, let them do something first before continuing to complain.  It might be amazing.  It most likely won't be, but reserve judgment.  You all realize that changing the end would require massive content overhauls throughout the game?  They didn't build to this end with ME1 and ME2, but ME3's culmination is based on the Crucible, which the entire game is built on.

[M12311]

Star fury wrote...

New ending or GTFO. Lol.

THIS ^

[Ryoten]

pistolols wrote...

i certainly don't want a new ending at all. the one we've got is extremely compelling. it's a shame that so many of you are too simpleton to appreciate it.

Whoa there mr. high society.  Shouldn't you be at a museum somewhere looking at Michelangelo's penis?

[Rabid Rooster]

/bump

[KotorEffect3]

I hope we find out when Harbinger's birthday is.

[wtbusername]

I didn't want chocolate ice cream, I wanted vanilla dangit!

[Evil Minion]

I'm fine with an expansion.

It's all I want, in fact.

But I'd be fine if they re-did the whole thing.

[captainbob8383]

For those who still dont understand why the lack of closure or explanations is not the problem and wont fix anything:

http://www.gamefront...ns-are-right/5/

Brilliant article, sums it all up.
If you're lazy, just read page 5.

Modifié par captainbob8383, 24 mars 2012 - 10:10 .

[Mvin]

Clarify and extend? That's hardly what we have been asking for. The ending is broken in so many ways that an mere epilogue won't nearly cut it, there's mich more important stuff they need to fix. And who ever wanted an explanation to an ending nobody likes? What about the "We are listening?". If you did, you are completely ignoring us, Bioware.

[AgentCross]

Yeah they missed the point, however. I think they might find that because the endings are so bad and have so many conflicting themes/plot-holes. They may find out they can't clarify and need to change it anyway.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Yeah I can't see how a longer version of the endings we have will make them fit my Shepard or the choices I made in the game.

I will keep holding the line until we get new endings not extended version of the endings we have now.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

[PeterG1]

Do you all think it's too late? That they've already made their decision?

I for one thought that this was going to be BioWare's plan before even the tweets started saying "clarify and closure." Ray Muzyka said it pretty clearly in his blog, or so I thought:

"[BioWare is] hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

I still support multiple endings and I'll continue to voice that. But if Muzyka is saying what I think he's saying, there don't seem to need to be cryptic tweets to tell me that BioWare is sticking with simply clarification and closure, not additional endings.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

I don't think it's too late. If we boycott this thing we will get more endings. they need us that is why they are spinning us and trying to buy us off with this. Don't fall for it as I said this will take a month or two they are trying to get us to give up before them. Please we are close to victory don't turn it to defeat. Hold the line until we win.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

[Nizzemancer]

Just Cav wrote...

Posted this is another topic, but I feel it's appropriate to post it here too:

The ending does not need to be changed - just added to. I've argued with myself for a long time whether Bioware meant for us to take what we saw literally or if there was more to it. I've deduced that Bioware had planned to implement an internal struggle story arc since at least as far back as they started development of Mass Effect 3. There is too much evidence for the ending to have been meant to be taken at face value, and not all of that evidence comes from Mass Effect 3:



As early as half way through Mass Effect, we start to learn about Reaper indoctrination looks like. The Rachni Queen describes Reaper taint as "songs the color of oily shadows". What did we see in Mass Effect 3? That's right:



This is not a coincidence; that is deliberate. So I don't believe that Bioware had a meeting and discussed the best way to screwjob the playerbase. They sincerely believed that the playerbase would approve of and appreciate this unexpected turn of events - and incidentally, most of us who subscribe to the indoctrination theory actually do.

The indoctrination story arc is brilliant - it really is. What Bioware did wrong is that in ending Mass Effect 3 with Shepard's internal final battle, they completely ignored the conflict that had been intensifying since the very first game: the tangible battle against the Reaper invaders. It is obvious that Shepard had been conflicted with a "man versus self" scenario since the beginning of Mass Effect 3. The events that transpired on the Citadel after Harbinger laid Shepard out is an amazing way to resolve that conflict, but it does nothing for the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole.

Who is to say that the real Marauder Shields - the nonhallucinated one - did not put a bullet into Shepard's brain the moment he took a breath? If the Citadel confrontation is a conception solely of Shepard's mind, then what is the real Catalyst - is it even a Reaper or is it just a battery? - and what does the Crucible really do? Where is my Aralakh Company going head-to-head with brutes or the Destiny Ascension blasting a hole through Harbinger? What effect does the EMS have on the parts of the game that aren't a hallucination?

The ending is not FUBAR (****ed up beyond all recognition). Bioware can still address the actual "galaxy versus Reaper" conflict that has been building since the first game without changing a single thing - even for players who picked anything other than the destroy option and subsequently became indoctrinated.

In that regard, here's how I personally imagine it (feel free to ignore this as this is just my imagination working and does not matter at all):

if you picked destroy, then the obvious route is to get up and kick Harbinger's ass one way or another and save the goddamn day.

On the other hand, if you picked synthesis or control, when you wake up and pull yourself out of the rubble, you are set upon by a horde of husks, marauders, brutes, banshees, and that crazy-ass indoctrinated Illusive Man concept:



Plus some.

Your objective is still to get to the beam and activate the Crucible, but every time you try to touch it, Harbinger's laser blocks your way. You are forced to fight his army. But at the end of it, it turns out that what you were fighting was not a Reaper army at all. At the end of the wave, in one last dialogue skit reflective of the post-Saren battle and post-"Terminator" battle in the previous two games, your lover comes before you. They reason with you: ask you why you're a monster and why you'd help the Reapers. Right before you blow your own head off, in a fleeting state of clarity, you realize that the Reaper army you had just mowed down are your friends. All husks are actually Vega, Anderson, and Alliance soldiers. All the Banshees are Liara and Asari commandos. All the marauders are Garrus and Palaven's remnants. You just delivered victory to the Reapers.


Too long; didn't read:
Bioware was telling two stories simultaneously in Mass Effect 3, but in capitalizing on one, they ignored and negated the other.

I thought of something like this indoctrination-destroy ending when I read your idea:
Shepard wakes up in the rubble, we see a cinematic of the reaper fleet being stunned like sovereign was when we killed saren (because Shepard resisted the indoctrination) and our fleet starts pounding away at the reaper fleet killing them. Depending on the amount of EMS the fleet manage to win against the weakened reapers or they lose. If we win we regain control of shepard and have to get to an LZ for pickup so we can meet up with everyone else and plan the mop-up operation of the reaper ground-forces across the galaxy or if the fleet lose we get an infinite waves "last stand" scenario against reaper ground forces (but that's stuff for the epilogue).

[M12311]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

I don't think it's too late. If we boycott this thing we will get more endings. they need us that is why they are spinning us and trying to buy us off with this. Don't fall for it as I said this will take a month or two they are trying to get us to give up before them. Please we are close to victory don't turn it to defeat. Hold the line until we win.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

Hold the line.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

M12311 wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

I don't think it's too late. If we boycott this thing we will get more endings. they need us that is why they are spinning us and trying to buy us off with this. Don't fall for it as I said this will take a month or two they are trying to get us to give up before them. Please we are close to victory don't turn it to defeat. Hold the line until we win.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

Hold the line.

Thank you for holding the line.  People please don't let this all be for nothing. Please hold the line for another month or so and we will get new endings not extended versions of the ones that are not good enough in the first place.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

[Ahms]

Ryoten wrote...

pistolols wrote...

i certainly don't want a new ending at all. the one we've got is extremely compelling. it's a shame that so many of you are too simpleton to appreciate it.

Whoa there mr. high society.  Shouldn't you be at a museum somewhere looking at Michelangelo's penis?

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I hope we find out when Harbinger's birthday is.

LOL

Keep it coming guys. In these depressing times I'll take any laugh I can get.

Modifié par Ahms, 25 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Please don't get depressed. this thing is only just starting and the extended endings are just part of Bioware's PR spin,please don't fall for it and hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

[animallover11]

@Bioware
New. Ending. Period.

[ChuckieJ]

There are only 2 camps who want changes:
1) Indoctrination theory - which completely aligns with clarification and closure (make it more clear what happened and give us a final mission if we beat indoctrination)
2) Completely new ending due to plot holes etc.