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[Iwillbeback]

tobito113 wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

You don't speak for all of us.

He doesn't but Bioware lied about how the choices you made throughout the trilogy would effect the outcome of the game.

I dont think you read the OP, thats not what this tread is about. Dont hijack it by going off topic

Again, drop the "me = we" mentality please...

This is exactly the problem, this thread is about that problem.
When don't want closure on the current ending.
We want new diverse endings that reflect the decisions our characters made throughout the trilogy, the indoctrination theory supports what could be a diverse ending if they built on it.


I only said we in this post 

[Lugaidster]

SirTerrens wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Not "we", you, and a bunch of other ignorant numptys

The ending is fine, just fill in the blanks

This. (snuff)

Ahhh the "intellectuals". The "I like to play visualy and graphically compelling games that provide amazing levels of details and realism for 100+ hours of gameplay because I like to imagine the ending" types...

I'm sorry for being a "simpleton" and wanting to get closure on the 100+ hours I invested caring for characters. The philosophical situation presented at the end is as intellectually compeling as an arithmetic problem on a fairy-tale. But to each their own, just keep your judgements to yourselves trolls. 

Modifié par Lugaidster, 23 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[OnelShot]

I want them to build off the current ending so like someone else said you don't speak for everyone. Fact is it would be really dumb to just totally change the entire end from the Citadel on. I say the indoctrination makes the most sense to build off of.

[gimzod76]

Voted. New ending please.

[captainbob8383]

http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989

91%(60970 votes) : "Endings sucks, we want a brighter one."

Modifié par captainbob8383, 23 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Tekkez]

The DLC will probably just add what the cut from the original game.

Such as the extra seeings with the squad mates on the run to the beam, and the reason Joker appears to be leaving.

They wont actually change any of the space magic, star child, or the A, B, C choices. Basically the stuff we want them to change. It'd take them too much work to work it in the story, and would give us hope of the post-ME3/Reaper game, which is clearly something they don't want to give us for some reason.

[Yttrian]

We do not want an ending that satisfies a small group's nihilistic wish.

We want an ending consistent with the ME universe; one that satisfies a broad spectrum, reliant on choice and morality.

[cerberus1701]

Gosh, complain about the ending (rightly so)

Want change. want more explanation and closure (totally understandable)

People you're complaining to say, "Ok, let us figure out how best to do it and we'll let you know in April."

Yet your here complaining that what they've offered to do isn't enough **WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY"RE OFFERING TO DO YET."

Where DO people get that some of you sound self-absorbed and entitled from?

Modifié par cerberus1701, 23 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[Thornquist]

You cant expect them to full out alter their endings. Alot of people see the fact that Bioware budges on this as a sad day for gaming. Artistic Integrity and whatnot.

I know alot of people dont agree with that sentiment, but it proves in any case that many people dont want a retcon.

What Bioware is trying to do is finding a middle ground, pleasing the RetakeME3 movement, and pleasing the people who thinks Bioware shouldnt change anything.

Its a difficult mission, and some people on both sides are going to be disappointed with the results, but there is really no other alternative for this mess.

I said it at the start of this movement, and I'll say it again:

You people need to be willing to compromise.

[Lugaidster]

captainbob8383 wrote...


http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989

91%(60970 votes) : "Endings sucks, we want a brighter one."

Please don't misinterpret that poll. I voted on that poll to present my disaproval of the current ending on it's state, and I know many did, which is why there's an explaination of the options in the description. It only serves to show that many don't like the end. Enough said.

[Stygian1]

Bump for Justice.

[Navasha]

Adding in the indoctrination theory doesn't require them to change anything about the current ending.

They can simply add the scenes so that more people actually understand the idea that the final sequences were actually all taking place in Shepards mind as he struggled for control of his own mind.

[Siegdrifa]

Taboo-XX wrote...

YO DAWG WE HEARD YOU LIKE CONFUSION.......

So you build some more confusion to clear your mind through confusion.

[Rockpopple]

You don't know what you want.

You really think BioWare's gonna be able to satisfy every single individual need to their own version of appropriate "closure"?

It's their story, it's their ending. The problem is that it doesn't make sense. Tweaking it so that the parts that don't make sense or are confusing do make sense - ie clarify, is the exact right thing to do. Fill in the plot holes.

Just because you don't like the Catalyst doesn't make it a plot-hole. Removing the entire section of the game and replacing it with -what exactly? It's not gonna happen, nor should it.

The audacity.

[RogueBot]

Iwillbeback wrote...

They don't seem to get the problem with the ending.

You're right, and it's just the damndest thing. You'd think the problems would be obvious, but I feel like there's another dimension of reality separating those that love the ending from ourselves.

I know taste is entirely subjective, but still...

[jumpingkaede]

 I would take a new ending over a clarification of the existing ending.  With the caveat that Indoctrination Theory is considered a "clarification" or "expansion" as opposed to a new ending; it works itself in nearly seamlessly.
If what Bioware gives us is simply clarification on the existing ending though... why even bother?  

I don't need or want clarification on why the AI Star Kid is there.  Or clarification on where the Normandy is going and why or how the squad members that were blasted by Harbinger are on the ship.  Or why star systems weren't wiped out.  

Let's say, hypothetically, Bioware comes out with an "official" line saying, in order: (1) the race that created the Reapers created the AI Star Kid as a failsafe; (2) the Normandy was regrouping with the Fifth Fleet and Cortez picked up your squad, flesh wounds, nothing more; (3) controlled explosion by the Crucible blastwave so the eezo didn't do anything but disperse harmlessly into space.

There.  No more speculation.  From the mouth of God himself.  

Does that give you any closure and satisfaction with the ending?

Rockpopple wrote...

Just because you don't like the Catalyst doesn't make it a plot-hole. Removing the entire section of the game and replacing it with -what exactly? It's not gonna happen, nor should it.

The audacity.

The Crucible/Catalyst really is just the stupidest thing I've ever heard of though.  Every 50,000 years as a cycle ends the races add one more part to the Crucible but have no idea what it does?  But they know it can't work without "the Catalyst"... which turns out to be the Citadel.  And then Shepard goes to the Citadel and an AI Star Kid who was right above the Citadel controls the whole time says, "I'm the Catalyst and btw now pick one of these two giant tubes or fall into the beam of light."

That doesn't sound stupid to anyone else? 

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 23 mars 2012 - 05:57 .

[Blind2Society]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Gosh, complain about the ending (rightly so)

Want change. want more explanation and closure (totally understandable)

People you're complaining to say, "Ok, let us figure out how best to do it and we'll let you know in April."

Yet your here complaining that what they've offered to do isn't enough **WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY"RE OFFERING TO DO YET."

Where DO people get that some of you sound self-absorbed and entitled from?

Blind2Society wrote...

Oh and just for clarification, this is what @masseffect posted about an hour ago

"We are creating new content to clarify and add closure as per the request of many loyal fans! That's all."

[Piplodocus]

[post removed due to being laughably out of date - the very thing y'all discussing is the "news" I thought I was breaking.]

Modifié par Piplodocus, 23 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[LordOfTheBytes]

There are 4 options:
1. They create a new ending. This would be very expensive so the dlc would not be free - everybody will hate them.
2. They improve the existing ending. Fans will hate them because it is still the old ending. Others will hate them because they betrayed their artistic integrity.
3. They do nothing. Fans will hate them because it is still the old ending.
4. They invent a time machine, travel back in time and create a new, super-awesome ending. Evereybody will be happy.

Modifié par LordOfTheBytes, 23 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[Lugaidster]

Tekkez wrote...

The DLC will probably just add what the cut from the original game.

Such as the extra seeings with the squad mates on the run to the beam, and the reason Joker appears to be leaving.

They wont actually change any of the space magic, star child, or the A, B, C choices. Basically the stuff we want them to change. It'd take them too much work to work it in the story, and would give us hope of the post-ME3/Reaper game, which is clearly something they don't want to give us for some reason.

Again, please drop the we from your comment. Speak for yourself. Not everyone in the "movement" wants the whole thing changed.

[Aesieru]

Aesieru wrote...

I think in general we can agree that because we bought this game for story that we want the following:

We want our assets that we spent time building up to actually matter and play a role.

We want our choices to actually matter in our decision making and not all end up at the same point.

We want continuity in the series with both our actions and the lore itself so the story makes sense and follows an established plotline.

[Siansonea]

If I have a good reason to accept the current ending, I will. My main issue is that Catalyst's reasoning doesn't make sense, and Shepard doesn't present any alternative solutions. I DO want clarification, and I don't think you can just "redo" the ending at this point with some other Reaper motivation and some other resolution, you can't unring the bell. It's absurd to ask for that. Yeah, I don't like the ending, but I don't think they should retcon it just because lots of people don't like it. Work within the confines of what's there, and make it make sense. Give Shepard more options to resolve the situation presented by Catalyst. Don't just let Shepard go into Derp Mode because he's told something by an enemy. We saw enough of that with Shepard and the Illusive Man in ME2.

[Keatstwo]

I don't see how any amount of clarification can make the current endings bearable, everything in the last 10 minutes is completely borked from the ground up.

[ericjdev]

Thornquist wrote...

You cant expect them to full out alter their endings. Alot of people see the fact that Bioware budges on this as a sad day for gaming. Artistic Integrity and whatnot.

I know alot of people dont agree with that sentiment, but it proves in any case that many people dont want a retcon.

What Bioware is trying to do is finding a middle ground, pleasing the RetakeME3 movement, and pleasing the people who thinks Bioware shouldnt change anything.

Its a difficult mission, and some people on both sides are going to be disappointed with the results, but there is really no other alternative for this mess.

I said it at the start of this movement, and I'll say it again:

You people need to be willing to compromise.

This is right. We aren't going to get everything we want and even within the movement we don't all want the same things. Dismissing hte changes before we even know what they are isn't right. We need to give them to to make said changes and be patient and civil in the meantime.

[cuzsal]

/signed