Honestly no offense but people who still think and expect bioware to completely change the endings need to get a grip. It's not going to happen so stop demanding for it. Would be a good idea to come to terms with that so you don't blow your stack again in a few months when they release the "closure" DLC.
Just what the hell. Bioware, we want a new ending, not some closure to the current ending.
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#102
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:57
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Keatstwo wrote...
I don't see how any amount of clarification can make the current endings bearable, everything in the last 10 minutes is completely borked from the ground up.
It is a total load of crap, I don't need to see the crap in greater detail.
#103
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:59
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New ending(s). We want more choice. That's been said thousands of times. If they haven't gotten that message by now I don't think they're gonna get it.
#104
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:00
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Stygian1 wrote...
Keatstwo wrote...
I don't see how any amount of clarification can make the current endings bearable, everything in the last 10 minutes is completely borked from the ground up.
It is a total load of crap, I don't need to see the crap in greater detail.
Which is why the Indoctrination Theory gained so much acceptance in the first place.
You can't "wipe out" the ending or delete the entire section of the game. But I/T achieves the same result without breaking narrative.
And the Crucible can just be a giant laser cannon or something that disables the Reaper shields temporarily. Epic space battle with your fleet and massive losses on both sides. Shepard wins and lives or dies but the Reapers are destroyed so everyone is happy at the sweetness, but also sad at the heavy death toll bitterness.
Fair fan speculation: how will the galaxy develop in the future? After all, this is the first time in billions of years that a cycle survived to year 50,001.
#105
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:00
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SilentWolfie wrote...
daftPirate wrote...
Is that enough? 200 votes? No, its probably not. In fact most of the Retake/Line Holding people are saying just the opposite, they don't want a new ending, they want additional endings/closure/clarification.
How very insightful... and you know this from the 14% survey? That's... very impressive.
No that would be from, among others, these polls here
http://social.biowar.../1950050/polls/ with a couple thousand more votes to work with. Either way, the odds of a new ending coming out are slim to none.
#106
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:00
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New endmission that's all I ask, make it a suicide mission-bis
#107
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:00
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The ending currently in the game lacks artistic integrity. The REAL meaning of artistic integrity that is: an author showing integrity to the plot and world they've devised. Deus ex machina devices are the embodiment of abandoning artistic integrity. If they keep the ending we've seen as something to accept at face value, and just want to "clarify" it, it will be disappointing.
#108
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:01
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Shepard Commander! We have not reached consensus on the matter at hand. The schism forming within the player base is growing beyond our control. Following along the current path is the only viable option.
#109
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:01
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This time the crap ending will show a couple kernels of corn in the sh!t....
#110
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:01
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SNESwiggum wrote...
Honestly no offense but people who still think and expect bioware to completely change the endings need to get a grip. It's not going to happen so stop demanding for it. Would be a good idea to come to terms with that so you don't blow your stack again in a few months when they release the "closure" DLC.
I won't be blowing anything, I'll just be walking away from Bioware.
#111
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:03
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Not "we", you, and a bunch of other ignorant numptys
The ending is fine, just fill in the blanks
Another pro ending QQer with nothing constructive to add. Go whine on ign or something where being lied to is acceptable.
#112
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:03
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BioWare sells people apples, the fans ask for oranges - BioWare thinks it can make things better by handing out bananas.
But honestly, I did expect a 'compromise' of sorts.
But honestly, I did expect a 'compromise' of sorts.
#113
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:04
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I think "closure and clarification" is a fair compromise between what endings the devs had in mind and the demands of the fanbase. I'd be okay with a better explanation of how what I watched happened, even of it doesn't end up the way I would have liked.
#114
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:05
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ek5000 wrote...
BioWare sells people apples, the fans ask for oranges - BioWare thinks it can make things better by handing out bananas.
But honestly, I did expect a 'compromise' of sorts.
More like they just painted the apples orange.
#115
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:06
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Almostfaceman wrote...
I won't be blowing anything, I'll just be walking away from Bioware.
Hey I will be too. I hate the endings just as much as anyone. But I'm not expecting miracles to happen here.
#116
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:08
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daftPirate wrote...
SilentWolfie wrote...
daftPirate wrote...
Is that enough? 200 votes? No, its probably not. In fact most of the Retake/Line Holding people are saying just the opposite, they don't want a new ending, they want additional endings/closure/clarification.
How very insightful... and you know this from the 14% survey? That's... very impressive.
No that would be from, among others, these polls here
http://social.biowar.../1950050/polls/ with a couple thousand more votes to work with. Either way, the odds of a new ending coming out are slim to none.
Well I looked at the poll, basically it's a many way fight, but I think majority still wouldn't want an extension to the current ending, majority wants either new ending or indoctrination theory, which is probably around 60%.
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#117
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:08
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Oh well. If no new ending then I suppose they are done getting my money.
#118
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:09
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If you actually believe that then you might as well ask them to make a whole different game. The entire game was about the Crucible and they set it up as the plot device everything else was going to revove around very early in the story. It was neither sudden nor a surprise by the end. But of course people just like using that word.Tovanus wrote...
The ending currently in the game lacks artistic integrity. The REAL meaning of artistic integrity that is: an author showing integrity to the plot and world they've devised. Deus ex machina devices are the embodiment of abandoning artistic integrity. If they keep the ending we've seen as something to accept at face value, and just want to "clarify" it, it will be disappointing.
#119
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:11
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The best comparison I can make for the current ending is that it feels like end of Dragon Warrior 1 where you agree to join the Dragon Lord; except that in ME3 you don't even have the choice to say no.
Still, I think think it's entirely possible to expand the range of endings without necessarily eliminating the basic structure of the current ending altogether.
I think the only internally consistent way to keep the current ending (i.e., all three variations) is to make that the worst ending. That's the path you take when Shepard is broken by his struggle and you've abandoned all hope and are too tired to fight anymore and simply accept the horrific premise of the Reapers at face value. Then you meekly pick one of his three equally damnable choices, destroy galactic civilization, and basically justify everything the Reapers have been doing. Then you die alone and never see your friends again.
Like I said, that's the worst ending. It's basically conceding defeat.
Then there could be a range of better endings where Shepard does what he should have done all along: defy the Catalyst's false dilemma. You tell the catalyst that he's wrong, and that the united fleet assembled from all races of the galaxy shows that we're committed to shaping our own destiny, and that win or lose we're not going to have our fate dictated to us by some self-appointed guardian and his army of genocidal monsters.
Then we fight the Reapers in a conventional battle. Actually, it's more than just a conventional battle: it's fundamentally a battle of philosophies that has been building the entire series, pitting freedom and self-determination against subjugation and indoctrination. The outcome is shaped both by your overall military strength as well as some key individual choices that you;ve made (such saving the rachni, making peace between the Quarians/Geth and the Krogans/Turians, saving/destroying the Council, etc.).
On one end of the spectrum, there could be a bad ending where you just rushed through the game, never playing ME1 or 2, and your military strength is so low and you're so short on allies that the Reapers just annihilate you. Note that, while horrible, this is still a better outcome than the ending we were given, because at least you didn't surrender to the Catalyst and went down fighting. Maybe the last scene there could even be some civilization 50,000 years hence finding Liara's time capsule, giving a ray of hope to the next cycle.
On the other end there needs to be a golden ending. If you played like a champ through all three games, making good decisions and taking the time to build up a very high military strength, you beat the Reapers, your squad survives, the Normandy survives, you reunite with your love interest, and everyone can move forward in a more united galaxy that you helped create without the false evolution of the Reapers constraining you.
In between, you beat the reapers but your military strength and choices determine whether your squad survives, the Normandy survives, who makes it out of the battle alive, etc.
You see, that way you might get to the end and even if you don't get a great ending you actually have some incentive to go back and re-examine your choices and try to do things better. Maybe even buy the previous two games and work on building that ideal save file.
Compare that to the current situation, where everybody from those of us who have been playing hundreds of hours over the last five years to the guy who just picked up ME3 on an impulse buy 2 weeks ago are funneled into the same slough of despond.
Still, I think think it's entirely possible to expand the range of endings without necessarily eliminating the basic structure of the current ending altogether.
I think the only internally consistent way to keep the current ending (i.e., all three variations) is to make that the worst ending. That's the path you take when Shepard is broken by his struggle and you've abandoned all hope and are too tired to fight anymore and simply accept the horrific premise of the Reapers at face value. Then you meekly pick one of his three equally damnable choices, destroy galactic civilization, and basically justify everything the Reapers have been doing. Then you die alone and never see your friends again.
Like I said, that's the worst ending. It's basically conceding defeat.
Then there could be a range of better endings where Shepard does what he should have done all along: defy the Catalyst's false dilemma. You tell the catalyst that he's wrong, and that the united fleet assembled from all races of the galaxy shows that we're committed to shaping our own destiny, and that win or lose we're not going to have our fate dictated to us by some self-appointed guardian and his army of genocidal monsters.
Then we fight the Reapers in a conventional battle. Actually, it's more than just a conventional battle: it's fundamentally a battle of philosophies that has been building the entire series, pitting freedom and self-determination against subjugation and indoctrination. The outcome is shaped both by your overall military strength as well as some key individual choices that you;ve made (such saving the rachni, making peace between the Quarians/Geth and the Krogans/Turians, saving/destroying the Council, etc.).
On one end of the spectrum, there could be a bad ending where you just rushed through the game, never playing ME1 or 2, and your military strength is so low and you're so short on allies that the Reapers just annihilate you. Note that, while horrible, this is still a better outcome than the ending we were given, because at least you didn't surrender to the Catalyst and went down fighting. Maybe the last scene there could even be some civilization 50,000 years hence finding Liara's time capsule, giving a ray of hope to the next cycle.
On the other end there needs to be a golden ending. If you played like a champ through all three games, making good decisions and taking the time to build up a very high military strength, you beat the Reapers, your squad survives, the Normandy survives, you reunite with your love interest, and everyone can move forward in a more united galaxy that you helped create without the false evolution of the Reapers constraining you.
In between, you beat the reapers but your military strength and choices determine whether your squad survives, the Normandy survives, who makes it out of the battle alive, etc.
You see, that way you might get to the end and even if you don't get a great ending you actually have some incentive to go back and re-examine your choices and try to do things better. Maybe even buy the previous two games and work on building that ideal save file.
Compare that to the current situation, where everybody from those of us who have been playing hundreds of hours over the last five years to the guy who just picked up ME3 on an impulse buy 2 weeks ago are funneled into the same slough of despond.
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#120
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:13
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Stygian1 wrote...
Keatstwo wrote...
I don't see how any amount of clarification can make the current endings bearable, everything in the last 10 minutes is completely borked from the ground up.
It is a total load of crap, I don't need to see the crap in greater detail.
^ What they said.
#121
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:14
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"We want a new ending"
Actually, no you don't.
As a believer in the Indoctrination Theory I believe that whatever they end up adding will simply make it more obvious to those of us who didn't notice. I was only playing 2-4 hours a night, tired after work, and there was no way I would have picked up on the subtle hints.
Once I read and watched the video on the Theory I learned to love the ending but of course I want more!
Second, there is a very practical technical issue at play here. All through ME3 you wrap up diverse story lines. Your discussions with the various characters and races were likely different than mine. These are different "endings". However, the endings of the final game cannot be too diverse (the Indoctrination Theory posits that there are two endings, not three) because we are coming to the end of a console generation on both Xbox and PS3. There will be no practical way to bring your ME3 character into the next trilogy (or whatever they make). The only thing they could do here is patch the game to allow us to upload 1 save per character to Origin. Then it could carry over to the next console.
Actually, no you don't.
As a believer in the Indoctrination Theory I believe that whatever they end up adding will simply make it more obvious to those of us who didn't notice. I was only playing 2-4 hours a night, tired after work, and there was no way I would have picked up on the subtle hints.
Once I read and watched the video on the Theory I learned to love the ending but of course I want more!
Second, there is a very practical technical issue at play here. All through ME3 you wrap up diverse story lines. Your discussions with the various characters and races were likely different than mine. These are different "endings". However, the endings of the final game cannot be too diverse (the Indoctrination Theory posits that there are two endings, not three) because we are coming to the end of a console generation on both Xbox and PS3. There will be no practical way to bring your ME3 character into the next trilogy (or whatever they make). The only thing they could do here is patch the game to allow us to upload 1 save per character to Origin. Then it could carry over to the next console.
#122
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:15
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i certainly don't want a new ending at all. the one we've got is extremely compelling. it's a shame that so many of you are too simpleton to appreciate it.
Compelling if you appreciate being lied to and having everything you have done for hundreds of hours mean nothing? Sounds like we arent the simpletons seeing as we dont blindly accept whatever crap we are fed.
#123
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:15
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Well I looked at the poll, basically it's a many way fight, but I think majority still wouldn't want an extension to the current ending, majority wants either new ending or indoctrination theory, which is probably around 60%.
Indoctrination theory seems doable; technically, it'd be an extension itself. I just can't imagine the logistics of them completely replacing the ending, instead of an extension DLC like FO3. Just doesn't seem cost effective.
#124
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:15
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A lot of detractors are pointing out that "You can't please everyone" But I've yet to see anybody demand bioware "Please Everyone"
Lots of people what different things when you get down to the details, but in broader terms it is obvious that lots of people actually want the same thing.
We might not all agree on the happiness-levels of the "Best" ending should be, we might not agree on what role the StarChild should have, if any at all, we might not agree on what the best end boss would be (Marauder shields being tough to beat)...
BUT
the vast, vast majority (80+% in most cases i've seen) agree that the current ending does not cut it. Whilst the details break down into individuals and much smaller groups, you can't point at that and go "AHA! SEE?! NO MORE THAN 15% OF THE FAN BASE WOULD BE HAPPY IN ANY GIVEN SITUATION. THE BATTLE IS UNWINNABLE!" because that ignores, blatantly, that the way voting is set up is that you pick the one you're most happy with...NOT that you wouldn't be happy with other choices.
It's a pity we can't see a breakdown of people's preferences in terms of "First choice, Second Choice, Third Choice, Absolutely not" because I think we'd find that whilst ME3 fans might not all agree on the best ending, they'd probably agree that the other options are better than what we have now.
Lots of people what different things when you get down to the details, but in broader terms it is obvious that lots of people actually want the same thing.
We might not all agree on the happiness-levels of the "Best" ending should be, we might not agree on what role the StarChild should have, if any at all, we might not agree on what the best end boss would be (Marauder shields being tough to beat)...
BUT
the vast, vast majority (80+% in most cases i've seen) agree that the current ending does not cut it. Whilst the details break down into individuals and much smaller groups, you can't point at that and go "AHA! SEE?! NO MORE THAN 15% OF THE FAN BASE WOULD BE HAPPY IN ANY GIVEN SITUATION. THE BATTLE IS UNWINNABLE!" because that ignores, blatantly, that the way voting is set up is that you pick the one you're most happy with...NOT that you wouldn't be happy with other choices.
It's a pity we can't see a breakdown of people's preferences in terms of "First choice, Second Choice, Third Choice, Absolutely not" because I think we'd find that whilst ME3 fans might not all agree on the best ending, they'd probably agree that the other options are better than what we have now.
#125
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:15
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I don't really crave a rewrite. I'd be content if the current chain of events becomes an actual chain (through clarification), and if all (or at least the most important) story threads are revisited - while heavily taking into account the players choices.
I desire the most epic epilogue since, well, ever. I want to have to refer to an ending guide to track all those prerequisites required for uncountable different cutscenes. Basically, stuff like Jenna and Conrad Verner. I want to see how life continues in the galaxy, such that no-one has the same ending.
The game itself did a great job with that I think. Add an epilogue with the same depth and I'll sing the song of Mass Effect until the internet shuts down.
I desire the most epic epilogue since, well, ever. I want to have to refer to an ending guide to track all those prerequisites required for uncountable different cutscenes. Basically, stuff like Jenna and Conrad Verner. I want to see how life continues in the galaxy, such that no-one has the same ending.
The game itself did a great job with that I think. Add an epilogue with the same depth and I'll sing the song of Mass Effect until the internet shuts down.
