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[panamakira]

Same here man. But we had to reach some sort of compromise? It's obvious they LOVE those endings.....Why? Beats me! but I think we're just getting some extra scenes explaining why we got what we got and not more options so.......I don't have my expectations high at all........

However at least we might be getting something......right? I hope whatever we're getting it's not gonna make it worst....I don't know...lol I'm kinda scared now....

[Eterna]

Talcon Warrior wrote...

@Eterna5

Welcome to Consumerism, my friend. If a portion of customers are dissatisfied with a product, they can take the issues that they have to the producer. 50,000 people are vocal about the disappointment felt, and Bioware is offering to rectify only small bit of the issue (So it seems. I hope to be pleasantly surprised when they release the official product).

To say that we should be satisfied with mediocrity is to tell us that our own opinions don't matter. That this is no longer consumerism, but corporate tyranny. We are rising up to get a superior product.

Anyone who thought Bioware would completely re write the ending was delluded.

[AntiDave]

Eterna5 wrote...

Tovanus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Would you guys shut the hell up. If you really thought Bioware was going to rewrite the endings then thta's your problem and it stems from your unrealistic expectations, by bloody happy you're getting something. This is far more than any of you deserve, you should be damn grateful.

People should push for the highest quality thing they can get. To talk about "deserving" in the way that you do betrays a fundamental lack of understanding as to the relationship between Bioware and its customers. If fans think they deserve a better ending, they should push for it. If Bioware decides they don't deserve a better ending, there's really nothing they can do about it beyond not buying their products in the future and telling friends that their money can be better spent elsewhere. As it is, I think the highest quality will involve either disowning the Starchild (via indoctrination) or flat out erasing him.

I don't think anyone really has a strong expectation of success here. But until Bioware has made their decision and announcement as to what they will put in Ending DLC, there's no reason for them not to push for the best outcome.

 Bioware will not rewrite the ending, anyone who thought that would happen is delluded.  Be happy they have listened and decided to give you closure. They didn't have to do anything.

I am not asking for full retcon but HELL, this time around they need to deliver.

[Tyrzun]

AntiDave wrote...

Kersca wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...


No we do not want a DIFFERENT endings.  WE NEVER EVER said that.  You are and you don't speak for the Retake movement.  Most of the movement I know GETS the ending.

We want a "new" ending.  The ending as it is, is incomplete but it's still brilliant.  Getting players to blindly follow Harbinger and indoctrinate themselves after they warn you for 3 games not to believe them is just awesome.   That's all that poll shows.

We have to finish the fight where we wake up back in London while all you indoctrinated people are dead.  You have to replay the game.  Just as if you made poor decisions in ME2 and got you and yourself killed.  We have to actually get into the Citadel now and fight for it.  Then we get our many diffeernt ending choices.

Good lord that scenario is even more ridiculous than what we got in the game.

Lol yeah, some people cling to the idea of Shepard just being indoctrinated, which of course would be a way for a new ending to work. I just want to be able to reunite Shepard and his squad and getr some kind of idea about what happened to galactic civilization after Bioware destroyed the traffic network that held this galaxy and sci-fi universe together. The idea that all of this could just be indoctrination seems meh to me.

Just some way fpor people that cannot handle the truth that Bioware poorly wrote this ending.

Show me one single plot hole in this.

THIS is what happened, no plot holes.

Harbinger knocks you out 20 meters from the portal in your N7 armor

You wake up in your "Casual clothes".  I guess Bioware should have had a rep pop on scream and go
LOOK LOOK LOOK this is obviously not reality.  

You meet Harbinger/Star Child and tell him you know the Reapers are bad and want to destroy them.

You wake up back in London back in your N7 armor.

Obviously everything in between was not reality.  They couldn't have made that more clear without
someone on the screen popping up and telling you.

Why it isn't a dream or hallucination, because you are destroyed and you don't wake up if you go
blue or green.  

Your will is given up. ONLY if you keep true to your mission and insist the Reapers die, do you

wake up.

It's cut and dry.

We said we want to finish the fight from this point and get our multiple endings seeing how all of our choices play out.

Now show me the plot hole in any of that?  You won't because you can't.

[Lil One]

Vox Draco wrote...

<trim>

You chose "Control", Textbox pops up:

"Congratulations, you did the right thing! Shepard now controls the reapers in some very, very high-minded way uncomprehensible for you simple videogamey-mind! But the galaxy is at peace now, everything is alright. Oh, and of course the Portals won't EX-plode, they IM-plode, so everything is good here, too. No total annihilation of star-systems. We thought this was clear. And now, watch how Joker races to Earth, picks up all your sqaudmates and rushes to safety! That cool planet is very far away and totally nice to live in. He even becomes the founder of a new civilization, and you might meet them with your new most-beloved Space-hero when ME4 comes out! Oh, and of course, even though the ME-Portals are gone the fleet in Earth-Orbit is alright. It got teleported away, each race to their homeworld. The Star Child did this. You see, here is another cutscene to clarify this! Cool, isnt' it? Now could we all forget this, and you buy the new "Aria as naked squadmate-DLC? Please?"

Thanks for the laugh.

[Syrellaris]

Misterdde45000 wrote...

Now i'm understand why at the dev reunion they said " if bioware do anything the fan will not be satisfied "... Of course if you just take the lazy path and choose to do something that is completly out of our revendication we won't be satisfied. they might as well not doing anything :/

It's hard to feel " listen " in those condition. I'm really feeling like bioware have lost somethings these last years.

It is the fans actually, you can't just go and demand something. It does not work that way. Besides we wanting the ending to mean something, so they are clairfying it. Which is exactly what we wanted.

It does not require a complete new ending at all,

[Alamar2078]

I view this as one of two things:

-- Either BW is hearing what they want to hear and thus giving us clarification & closure on the 3 "endings"

-- BW is deliberately trying to look like they are helping while provoking someone into doing something stupid so they can simply ignore us. The bad thing is some "yahoo" is likely to actually do something stupid to make us all look bad.

[Turtles_AWD]

Tyrzun wrote...

SilentWolfie wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

No we do not want a DIFFERENT endings.  WE NEVER EVER said that.  You are and you don't speak for the Retake movement.  Most of the movement I know GETS the ending.

We want a "new" ending.  The ending as it is, is incomplete but it's still brilliant.  Getting players to blindly follow Harbinger and indoctrinate themselves after they warn you for 3 games not to believe them is just awesome.   That's all that poll shows.

We have to finish the fight where we wake up back in London while all you indoctrinated people are dead.  You have to replay the game.  Just as if you made poor decisions in ME2 and got you and yourself killed.  We have to actually get into the Citadel now and fight for it.  Then we get our many diffeernt ending choices.

WHOA. Perhaps I don't speak for Retake movement, but I am very certain the majority's sentiment is to have a new ending, that perhaps encompasses decisions and different choices. If you think for one moment that "we" will accept Shephard causing mass genocide with 3 different colors with extra clarification and closure, you are dead wrong. "We" want more decisions and more choices, just like what you wrote. Goodness, you completely misinterpreted what I wrote.

Once again I'll explain the ending to you, the only ending that has NO plot holes in it.  Since you apparently can't take the time to read the hundreds of threads that explain it to you.  Apparently you miss the part how we get our choices as we finish the fight.  You're just whinning about the direction they went in now and that is wrong!

THIS is what happened, no plot holes.

Harbinger knocks you out 20 meters from the portal in your N7 armor

You wake up in your "Casual clothes".  I guess Bioware should have had a rep pop on scream and go

LOOK LOOK LOOK this is obviously not reality.  

You meet Harbinger/Star Child and tell him you know the Reapers are bad and want to destroy them.

You wake up back in London back in your N7 armor.

Obviously everything in between was not reality.  They couldn't have made that more clear without
someone on the screen popping up and telling you.

Why it isn't a dream or hallucination, because you are destroyed and you don't wake up if you go
blue or green.  

Your will is given up. ONLY if you keep true to your mission and insist the Reapers die, do you

wake up.

It's cut and dry.

Congratulation you resisted indoctrination.

There is one wrinkle that leaves room for speculation on WHY it happened, not if it happened..  

If I don't have enough EMS I don't wake up if I choose destroy.  That's because in the
"indoctrination" world they told you that you would DIE in the citadel explosion if you chose
Red.  You knew better but weren't strong enough to break out.  It took massive effort from
Benezia to break out for a minute etc...  So, Bioware tied EMS into your belief you can win.  

The reason Bioware's ending is "unique" and they are proud of it is getting people to disregard
everything they've learned about the Reapers through over 100 hours of gameplay and indoctrinate
themselves anyways.  It's freaking awesome they got people to indoctrinate themselves.  THAT has
never been done.

Note- Shep was not "slowly" indoctrinated.  TIM aka The Illusive man was, he was the "traitor"
every race has according to the Prothean AI.  However, they can do it quick in emergencies and
that's what the battle is with Harbinger.  A full out mental war.  

It is made clear that IF you loose the instant indoctrination attempt the "victim' looses all
higher mental capabilities.  AKA your mind is instantly toast.  Which is why you indoctrinated
people will NEVER wake up, your done.

Now stop being misleading and cutting out the part where I explain how Destruction is your resisting indoctrination.  When you respond.  Everyone that logically looks at it knows there are NO plotholes.  Which is why you ignored it.

This is hilarious.

Yes, Commander Shepard! The only being in the galaxy able to consciously control their limbic system and change their brain chemistry at will! If you're indoctrinated, then you're indoctrinated. There's no going back. Even Shiala can still hear the reapers. You can't just "throw off" indoctrination. I remember a little scene from mass effect 1; it went a lot like this:

Shepard: Saren, we can totally beat the reapers, you just have to believe.

Saren: You know what, I think you have a poi-AUUUUUUGGGGH HHHHHHEEEAAAARRGGGHHHH AHHHHHH no sorry Sovreign is just too strong.

You remember that? That happened. You know what you would call it if you just say Shepard doesn't apply to this situation? A plot hole.

Also the thought they would allow themselves to be destroyed in some kind of last minute gambit against you is laughable as well. If the destroy option represents "throwing off" the indoctrination, there's no way it is actually destroying the reapers. You'll wake up back in earth dead, because the reapers will kill you when they can't control you, and then the reapers win anyway.

There's a case to be made that Shepard is being indoctrinated through the game, considering the dreams and the little kid, but in its current form the ending causes plotholes with that too.

[mi_dad]

dreman9999 wrote...

If they are doing what I think there doing....A whole lot of you are going to pretty shocked and baffled by it. It's going to be a real Kotor level twist.

Please elaborate?   I love reading all the different ideas people come up with.  It's much better than most of the bickering going on in here.

[Tyrzun]

nrcrane wrote...

I think this all could have been avoided if they just did what they said they would do and have multiple endings that were impacted by previous choices.

Don't really understand why people are fighting that idea. Is it really so bad to have the multiple endings that they said this game would have? Why are people defending Bioware for coming up short on what was expected and promised? Even if you are fine with the current ending there is no reason to be against having more.

Not one single person is saying we don't get multiple endings.

We've tried in vain to explain the endings we have and how they are NOT endings.  Everything that happens after you are knocked out clearly didn't happen.  IF you resist indoctrination you wake up back in London with your mind intact.  <-----  From that point on we get to actually fight in the Citadel against the millions of reapers inside it that took out the millions of people that live in it and then we have to destroy the reapers.  At that point we see how all of our actions and choices play out.

[Fat Head]

The Indoctrination Theory is actually extending the current ending, so if you look at that poll, there are more votes to keep it the same but just add more clarification.

Honestly I think I've seen much harsher reactions coming from a smaller group of people since Ray statement than anything at all that's been said since the game was released by either the retakers or pro-enders.

[PHub88]

I support changing to to Indoc theory. The current ending is awful and I dont want closure to it I want it gone all together.

[AntiDave]

Tyrzun wrote...

AntiDave wrote...

Kersca wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...


No we do not want a DIFFERENT endings.  WE NEVER EVER said that.  You are and you don't speak for the Retake movement.  Most of the movement I know GETS the ending.

We want a "new" ending.  The ending as it is, is incomplete but it's still brilliant.  Getting players to blindly follow Harbinger and indoctrinate themselves after they warn you for 3 games not to believe them is just awesome.   That's all that poll shows.

We have to finish the fight where we wake up back in London while all you indoctrinated people are dead.  You have to replay the game.  Just as if you made poor decisions in ME2 and got you and yourself killed.  We have to actually get into the Citadel now and fight for it.  Then we get our many diffeernt ending choices.

Good lord that scenario is even more ridiculous than what we got in the game.

Lol yeah, some people cling to the idea of Shepard just being indoctrinated, which of course would be a way for a new ending to work. I just want to be able to reunite Shepard and his squad and getr some kind of idea about what happened to galactic civilization after Bioware destroyed the traffic network that held this galaxy and sci-fi universe together. The idea that all of this could just be indoctrination seems meh to me.

Just some way fpor people that cannot handle the truth that Bioware poorly wrote this ending.

Show me one single plot hole in this.

THIS is what happened, no plot holes.

Harbinger knocks you out 20 meters from the portal in your N7 armor

You wake up in your "Casual clothes".  I guess Bioware should have had a rep pop on scream and go
LOOK LOOK LOOK this is obviously not reality.  

You meet Harbinger/Star Child and tell him you know the Reapers are bad and want to destroy them.

You wake up back in London back in your N7 armor.

Obviously everything in between was not reality.  They couldn't have made that more clear without
someone on the screen popping up and telling you.

Why it isn't a dream or hallucination, because you are destroyed and you don't wake up if you go
blue or green.  

Your will is given up. ONLY if you keep true to your mission and insist the Reapers die, do you

wake up.

It's cut and dry.

We said we want to finish the fight from this point and get our multiple endings seeing how all of our choices play out.

Now show me the plot hole in any of that?  You won't because you can't.

You don't wake up in your casual clothes, in the PC version his armor was ripped to pieces after Harbinger lazered him. Shepard was still wearing the N7 torso.

But then this debate shows what Bioware did wrong. They did not commit to one version of the ending indoctrinated or not to leave people guessing. So no matter what the retake movement thinks really happened I think we all want Bioware to commit to an idea of an ending.

Of course the Indoc theory would allow for retcon but I don't believe Bioware will do that.

Modifié par AntiDave, 23 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Grasich]

Joykilledme wrote...

Very simple I think most of us can agree we want a new ending... not further closure on the crap they gave us.

OPTIONS!!!

Happy ending as a Option
Bittersweet ending as a Option
Terrible ending as a Option!

What the bloody hell would be wrong with doing that Bioware?...

THIS.

[mi_dad]

sargon1986 wrote...

The whole Starchild scene must be TAKEN OUT THE DAMN GAME. 

I disagree, this is just a opinion but i dont think BioWare would want to alienate the fans who genuinly liked the endings,  I just wish we had the option of not doing what the star child suggests and let the EMS and major choices dictate the ending, much  like ME2. 

[Tovanus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Tovanus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Would you guys shut the hell up. If you really thought Bioware was going to rewrite the endings then thta's your problem and it stems from your unrealistic expectations, by bloody happy you're getting something. This is far more than any of you deserve, you should be damn grateful.

People should push for the highest quality thing they can get. To talk about "deserving" in the way that you do betrays a fundamental lack of understanding as to the relationship between Bioware and its customers. If fans think they deserve a better ending, they should push for it. If Bioware decides they don't deserve a better ending, there's really nothing they can do about it beyond not buying their products in the future and telling friends that their money can be better spent elsewhere. As it is, I think the highest quality will involve either disowning the Starchild (via indoctrination) or flat out erasing him.

I don't think anyone really has a strong expectation of success here. But until Bioware has made their decision and announcement as to what they will put in Ending DLC, there's no reason for them not to push for the best outcome.

 Bioware will not rewrite the ending, anyone who thought that would happen is delluded.  Be happy they have listened and decided to give you closure. They didn't have to do anything.

Anyone who rates their probability of success as high is deluded. But ruling out success completely is more of a symbol that Bioware won't deserve the number of fans it currently has after people have moved on from ME 3. I'd like to think that Bioware would try to salvage that.

Statements like, "They didn't have to do anything," are nonsensical though. No one has to do anything. But inaction can frequently be very unwise. They're losing goodwill in droves, and their reputation will take a long time to recover. The more they do, the more their reputation recovers. The only question is how much pride are they willing to swallow? Probably not enough. But only "probably."

[SilentWolfie]

Eterna5 wrote...

Would you guys shut the hell up. If you really thought Bioware was going to rewrite the endings then thta's your problem and it stems from your unrealistic expectations, by bloody happy you're getting something. This is far more than any of you deserve, you should be damn grateful.

I can think of so many ways to mock you, but I think that would be plainly rude to sneer so glaringly at you. There are so many varieties towards this argument where fans should not be complaining, should not be entitled, and should not be pressuring Bioware. Funnily enough, so many of us feel that we have been given a defect product, and the de facto response taken should be

a) Explain to the company/provider why this product is defective, or has caused great amount of distress
Demand restitution.
c) Satisfactory answer/action taken by company, case closed.

I.E, your steak was dropped onto the floor and someone else saw it, but you didn't know.. However, the waiter continues to pick it up the floor, and serve it to you. You found your meal very enjoyable, and suddenly, that person told you that it had been contaminated, and it had seen some grimy action from the floor, where sloppy gravy remains still visible on the marble tiles.

Perhaps you would not feel alarmed at that scenario, and perhaps you would even accept it, stating to be karma! Sorry to say that, but no way in frigging hell would I accept this! Thus my action will be to address the manager in polite terms, but with an iron fist stating that practice is not acceptable. Maybe, that manager will try and defend the meal, stating it this way

"Sir, did you not enjoy the meal? You even told me that the content of the meal to be utterly delectable! (99% of the game was admitedly fun right? All the other reviewers said it was 100% - Bioware co founder, something to that effect.)"
"Dude, very funny. Can you still enjoy your meal after knowing the last frigging bit? (Your frigging ending)"
"Sir, the waiter is new! Please forgive him. (I wish I knew how things would turn out, but I'm not God. I can't predict the fans wouldn't like it - Casey, or something similar to that effect)"
"I demand restitution to this issue. Do it, or I will write about how poor it is, and boycott you."
"Sir, I will not bow to your threats due to principle! I will however, offer you vouchers on your next return. (Promise of clarification compromise, also in defense of artistic integrity.)"

Gosh. This is so exciting. I feel like I can write too!

/Satirical response.

Modifié par SilentWolfie, 23 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[Tyrzun]

Turtles_AWD wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

SilentWolfie wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

No we do not want a DIFFERENT endings.  WE NEVER EVER said that.  You are and you don't speak for the Retake movement.  Most of the movement I know GETS the ending.

We want a "new" ending.  The ending as it is, is incomplete but it's still brilliant.  Getting players to blindly follow Harbinger and indoctrinate themselves after they warn you for 3 games not to believe them is just awesome.   That's all that poll shows.

We have to finish the fight where we wake up back in London while all you indoctrinated people are dead.  You have to replay the game.  Just as if you made poor decisions in ME2 and got you and yourself killed.  We have to actually get into the Citadel now and fight for it.  Then we get our many diffeernt ending choices.

WHOA. Perhaps I don't speak for Retake movement, but I am very certain the majority's sentiment is to have a new ending, that perhaps encompasses decisions and different choices. If you think for one moment that "we" will accept Shephard causing mass genocide with 3 different colors with extra clarification and closure, you are dead wrong. "We" want more decisions and more choices, just like what you wrote. Goodness, you completely misinterpreted what I wrote.

Once again I'll explain the ending to you, the only ending that has NO plot holes in it.  Since you apparently can't take the time to read the hundreds of threads that explain it to you.  Apparently you miss the part how we get our choices as we finish the fight.  You're just whinning about the direction they went in now and that is wrong!

THIS is what happened, no plot holes.

Harbinger knocks you out 20 meters from the portal in your N7 armor

You wake up in your "Casual clothes".  I guess Bioware should have had a rep pop on scream and go

LOOK LOOK LOOK this is obviously not reality.  

You meet Harbinger/Star Child and tell him you know the Reapers are bad and want to destroy them.

You wake up back in London back in your N7 armor.

Obviously everything in between was not reality.  They couldn't have made that more clear without
someone on the screen popping up and telling you.

Why it isn't a dream or hallucination, because you are destroyed and you don't wake up if you go
blue or green.  

Your will is given up. ONLY if you keep true to your mission and insist the Reapers die, do you

wake up.

It's cut and dry.

Congratulation you resisted indoctrination.

There is one wrinkle that leaves room for speculation on WHY it happened, not if it happened..  

If I don't have enough EMS I don't wake up if I choose destroy.  That's because in the
"indoctrination" world they told you that you would DIE in the citadel explosion if you chose
Red.  You knew better but weren't strong enough to break out.  It took massive effort from
Benezia to break out for a minute etc...  So, Bioware tied EMS into your belief you can win.  

The reason Bioware's ending is "unique" and they are proud of it is getting people to disregard
everything they've learned about the Reapers through over 100 hours of gameplay and indoctrinate
themselves anyways.  It's freaking awesome they got people to indoctrinate themselves.  THAT has
never been done.

Note- Shep was not "slowly" indoctrinated.  TIM aka The Illusive man was, he was the "traitor"
every race has according to the Prothean AI.  However, they can do it quick in emergencies and
that's what the battle is with Harbinger.  A full out mental war.  

It is made clear that IF you loose the instant indoctrination attempt the "victim' looses all
higher mental capabilities.  AKA your mind is instantly toast.  Which is why you indoctrinated
people will NEVER wake up, your done.

Now stop being misleading and cutting out the part where I explain how Destruction is your resisting indoctrination.  When you respond.  Everyone that logically looks at it knows there are NO plotholes.  Which is why you ignored it.

This is hilarious.

Yes, Commander Shepard! The only being in the galaxy able to consciously control their limbic system and change their brain chemistry at will! If you're indoctrinated, then you're indoctrinated. There's no going back. Even Shiala can still hear the reapers. You can't just "throw off" indoctrination. I remember a little scene from mass effect 1; it went a lot like this:

Shepard: Saren, we can totally beat the reapers, you just have to believe.

Saren: You know what, I think you have a poi-AUUUUUUGGGGH HHHHHHEEEAAAARRGGGHHHH AHHHHHH no sorry Sovreign is just too strong.

You remember that? That happened. You know what you would call it if you just say Shepard doesn't apply to this situation? A plot hole.

Also the thought they would allow themselves to be destroyed in some kind of last minute gambit against you is laughable as well. If the destroy option represents "throwing off" the indoctrination, there's no way it is actually destroying the reapers. You'll wake up back in earth dead, because the reapers will kill you when they can't control you, and then the reapers win anyway.

There's a case to be made that Shepard is being indoctrinated through the game, considering the dreams and the little kid, but in its current form the ending causes plotholes with that too.

Boy oh boy.  WOW that's just wow...

Uh you made ZERO sense at all.

By resisting indoctrination and saying you STILL want the Reapers destroyed you resist it and wake up in London. 

ONLY you added the "Reapers" were destroyed and then you woke up.  When in fact I said now you must go into the Citadel for real and destroy them.  That's called libel, claiming people said something they didn't and changing their meaning and words.  <---- it's an attack on another poster and not sticking ot the topic. 

Again, to be clear when you wake up you have to finish the fight.  NONE of what is happening in your mind actually happened in the real world.

Like I said zero plot holes so you had to make up stuff.

[Phattee Buttz]

Would anyone really want to sit through an explanation of how Joker picks up your crew and why they abandon Shepard?

[Melancholic]

Yes, we all want new endings. Either the indoctrination theory turns out to be true (planned or otherwise) and we get the real endings, or starchild is killed off screen, never mentioned anywhere again, and we get the real endings.

Unfortunately the current endings are here to stay, because they don't want to compromise on the artistic vision that was already compromised by lack of time to begin with.

[The Smitchens]

Ugh. Now there are two threads.

[cerberus1701]

Eterna5 wrote...

Talcon Warrior wrote...

@Eterna5

Welcome to Consumerism, my friend. If a portion of customers are dissatisfied with a product, they can take the issues that they have to the producer. 50,000 people are vocal about the disappointment felt, and Bioware is offering to rectify only small bit of the issue (So it seems. I hope to be pleasantly surprised when they release the official product).

To say that we should be satisfied with mediocrity is to tell us that our own opinions don't matter. That this is no longer consumerism, but corporate tyranny. We are rising up to get a superior product.

Anyone who thought Bioware would completely re write the ending was delluded.

This.

10,000,0000,000,000,000 times.

Anything that comes will use the end as a springboard.

It was never....EVER...going to happen that what was there already was going to be wiped away.

[Stealthy Cake]

Agreed. This whole ''ending'' is just.... Legion, gimme a hand!

Legion: The amount of sense the current ending does is 0.67%

See`?, ending dosent fit, work nor make sense. We just want to give the ME triology an ending it deserves. Flat, just like that.

[Tyrzun]

AntiDave wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

AntiDave wrote...

Kersca wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...


No we do not want a DIFFERENT endings.  WE NEVER EVER said that.  You are and you don't speak for the Retake movement.  Most of the movement I know GETS the ending.

We want a "new" ending.  The ending as it is, is incomplete but it's still brilliant.  Getting players to blindly follow Harbinger and indoctrinate themselves after they warn you for 3 games not to believe them is just awesome.   That's all that poll shows.

We have to finish the fight where we wake up back in London while all you indoctrinated people are dead.  You have to replay the game.  Just as if you made poor decisions in ME2 and got you and yourself killed.  We have to actually get into the Citadel now and fight for it.  Then we get our many diffeernt ending choices.

Good lord that scenario is even more ridiculous than what we got in the game.

Lol yeah, some people cling to the idea of Shepard just being indoctrinated, which of course would be a way for a new ending to work. I just want to be able to reunite Shepard and his squad and getr some kind of idea about what happened to galactic civilization after Bioware destroyed the traffic network that held this galaxy and sci-fi universe together. The idea that all of this could just be indoctrination seems meh to me.

Just some way fpor people that cannot handle the truth that Bioware poorly wrote this ending.

Show me one single plot hole in this.

THIS is what happened, no plot holes.

Harbinger knocks you out 20 meters from the portal in your N7 armor

You wake up in your "Casual clothes".  I guess Bioware should have had a rep pop on scream and go
LOOK LOOK LOOK this is obviously not reality.  

You meet Harbinger/Star Child and tell him you know the Reapers are bad and want to destroy them.

You wake up back in London back in your N7 armor.

Obviously everything in between was not reality.  They couldn't have made that more clear without
someone on the screen popping up and telling you.

Why it isn't a dream or hallucination, because you are destroyed and you don't wake up if you go
blue or green.  

Your will is given up. ONLY if you keep true to your mission and insist the Reapers die, do you

wake up.

It's cut and dry.

We said we want to finish the fight from this point and get our multiple endings seeing how all of our choices play out.

Now show me the plot hole in any of that?  You won't because you can't.

You don't wake up in your casual clothes, in the PC version his armor was ripped to pieces after Harbinger lazered him. Shepard was still wearing the N7 torso.

And when you wake up for real you are back in your full armor laying in the rubble after resisting.  OH and when you wake up while being indoctrinated you have a pistol with infinite ammo.  Another huge <------ this isn't happening moment.

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Syrellaris wrote...
It is the fans actually, you can't just go and demand something. It does not work that way. Besides we wanting the ending to mean something, so they are clairfying it. Which is exactly what we wanted.

It does not require a complete new ending at all,

Honestly that may be what you wanted however a clarification on the existing endings would not work for me or MANY others.

Clarification & Closure on the existing endings wouldn't really close the perceived gap between what BW promised pre-launch and what we got.  Where are the many truely divergent endings?   What about not getting endings A, B, or C??  Once you get to the endings how does individual choices impact the outcome [with possible exception of collector base]??

IMHO anything done that doesn't address what I listed above really isn't good enough.

Given that I perceive [along with many others] that BW did not fullfill their pre-launch statements I feel perfectly justified that BW live up to their word as there really isn't much of a moral or ethical excuse for them not to ....