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[Arppis]

Why would you mind it? People die.

[Getorex]

My answer is a short and sweet, "NO". I would not be OK with AN ending like that being forced down my gullet no matter what I did. I would not begrudge other people wanting to kill off THEIR Shepard for THEIR story purposes but I have another story and ending in mind. It doesn't (didn't) involve killing my Shepard. Closure doesn't mean what you think it means if you assume it means "death of protagonist". Phoooie.

[Lightice_av]

The way I understand it the exception of mortality was exactly what made the reward for them so special. But I admit, my last reading of LotR and Silmarillion is several years back and time may have muddled my memory.

The Valar had no power to give such reward if they wanted, and Ilúvatar doesn't consider death a punishment, nor its removal a reward.

Not a bad way to die, for sure.

Nor is it a bad fate for Shepard to sacrifice himself to save his friends, loved ones and all the civilizations of the galaxy from a horrible destruction.

Doom? I wouldnt say so. The elves were never meant to remain in Middle-Earth and were finally able to reach their true home, rather than being doomed, and the dwarves are not even a magical race in LotR.

Wrong to both accounts. The elves were never meant to be taken to Valinor; that was a mistake of the Valar that caused much of the strife that followed, and ultimately ended up resulting in the fading of the elves. And dwarves were a race created by Vala Aulë and given souls by Ilúvatar. Their origin is distinct from men and elves, and they are doomed to die out during the Fourth Age.

The Conduit is basically a small-scale Mass Relay. With the mass Relays being destroyed, so would the conduit.

You fail to see the obvious. The original Conduit is destroyed, but it's a direct proof that organics can create new Mass Relays if they want to. They have the technology in the Crucible, explicitly made under the same principles as the Relays. So why would they not build more of the Conduits, again?

[AlanC9]

Short answer: yes, I would. I am.

[Robhuzz]

Short and simple: Only if there's also a way to keep Shepard alive.

[jeweledleah]

[quote]Lightice_av wrote...

Without space magic aka Mass Relays travel between systems is not possible in the lore of Mass Effect.[/quote]
One word: Conduits. The Conduit of Ilos had no trouble reaching all the way to the Citadel. It was made by the Protheans. It clearly is possible for organics to build Conduits if they put an effort to it, and those can reach just as far as the full-sized Mass Relays. Implicitly their technology is based on the same principles as the Crucible, so the template is already done. I give a few decades of unified effort to start producing functional Conduits all around the inhabited systems. [/quote]

conduit is worthless without a connecting relay.  so not only rebuilding would have to be done simultaneously, they would have to figure out how those connections were formed.  remember, relays don't connect to every singly one, you jump across multiple relays to get to your destination most of the time.  we are not actualy show this, but you come out of the jump, make the next jump, come out again, make the next.. its not a continuous single jump the way the loading screen shows.  that's what made Apha relay so special.  it could reach as far as the Citadel in a single jump.

so.  exactly how are they going to rebuild it with already limited resources, without working communications to coordinate the efforts, without readily availabel blueprints?  no.  new relays are not happening within decades.  and even if they did?  the survivors are not going to  keep surviving this long.  ME3 is the ultimate downer ending, with Shepard's death being the last straw that broke camel's back.  and it does.  not.  fit.. the franchise.

[Denim291979]

I'd be ok w/ this. By the way my opinion (!!!) it's the best way to finish Shepard story. But I also want to know how goes everything and everyone after his death.

[DeadPoolX]

Getorex wrote...

My answer is a short and sweet, "NO". I would not be OK with AN ending like that being forced down my gullet no matter what I did. I would not begrudge other people wanting to kill off THEIR Shepard for THEIR story purposes but I have another story and ending in mind. It doesn't (didn't) involve killing my Shepard. Closure doesn't mean what you think it means if you assume it means "death of protagonist". Phoooie.

And this is a perfect example of why no matter what BioWare does in their attempt to rectify the ending, there will still be plenty of people who hate it.

[Wrathra]

I would be ok with the option of shepard dying at the end, not with that being the only outcome.

[Lightice_av]

so. exactly how are they going to rebuild it with already limited resources, without working communications to coordinate the efforts, without readily availabel blueprints?

No working communications? You forget so fast the quantum entangler communicators, which every planet had several, that work regardless of the condition of the Mass Relays? And as for blueprints, they have the Crucible, the remains of the Relays and potentially the Reapers or their corpses to study. It's a challenge, but far from impossible.

no. new relays are not happening within decades. and even if they did? the survivors are not going to keep surviving this long. ME3 is the ultimate downer ending,

Years or decades, it's not a long time at all to rebuild civilization wrecked by the Reapers. But you might want to reconsider considering that the Crucible was built in mere months. And how would the survivors suddenly stop surviving again? People are making the endings as bad and grim as they can imagine with no justification whatsoever, simply because they don't like them.

[Siansonea]

I think if Shepard's death accomplishes something worthwhile, it's acceptable. I don't like it if it's the only outcome though. I want a range of endings, and Shepard should die in some of them, many of them in fact. There should be a Shepard Dies/Bad Stuff Happens ending, a Shepard Dies/Some Good Stuff And Some Bad Stuff Happens ending, a Shepard Dies/Good Stuff Happens ending, a Shepard Lives/Bad Stuff Happens ending, a Shepard Lives/Some Good Stuff And Some Bad Stuff Happens ending, and a Shepard Lives/Good Stuff Happens ending, and there should be some minor variations within these depending on Shepard's choices in the previous games.

[Tirigon]

Lightice_av wrote...

Wrong to both accounts. The elves were never meant to be taken to Valinor; that was a mistake of the Valar that caused much of the strife that followed, and ultimately ended up resulting in the fading of the elves.

They were meant to go there....

You fail to see the obvious. The original Conduit is destroyed, but it's a direct proof that organics can create new Mass Relays if they want to. They have the technology in the Crucible, explicitly made under the same principles as the Relays. So why would they not build more of the Conduits, again?

And how? ALL high tech is destroyed!

[AlanC9]

Tirigon wrote...
And how? ALL high tech is destroyed!

Huh? Where are you getting that from?

[jeweledleah]

Lightice_av wrote...

so. exactly how are they going to rebuild it with already limited resources, without working communications to coordinate the efforts, without readily availabel blueprints?

No working communications? You forget so fast the quantum entangler communicators, which every planet had several, that work regardless of the condition of the Mass Relays? And as for blueprints, they have the Crucible, the remains of the Relays and potentially the Reapers or their corpses to study. It's a challenge, but far from impossible.

no. new relays are not happening within decades. and even if they did? the survivors are not going to keep surviving this long. ME3 is the ultimate downer ending,

Years or decades, it's not a long time at all to rebuild civilization wrecked by the Reapers. But you might want to reconsider considering that the Crucible was built in mere months. And how would the survivors suddenly stop surviving again? People are making the endings as bad and grim as they can imagine with no justification whatsoever, simply because they don't like them.

sigh,  quantum entangler communicators were experimental technilogay ONLY installed on the normandy.  planets don't have them.  for normal communications , here - wiki entry for you.  it uses.... you guessed it  MASS RELAYS  the ones that are currently destroyed?  yeah.  and normandy being worse for wear wherever it is?  is not going to help with communications any.

crusible was built with entire galaxy helping, supplies being brought in... you guessed it again!  via relays.  from across the entire galaxy.  but now?  everyone is stranded in their respective system.  and there's no way to get materials that you are lacking, technology, ect.

as for why would survivors die out?  again, because they lack supplies.  Sol system is especialy bad.  entire galactic fleet and only a ravaged planet to try and feed them. 

good job breaking it, hero!

and on a second thought, I guess its a good thing that Shepard died.  concidering the implications of the state of the galaxy? living would be punishment.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 25 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Tirigon]

AlanC9 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
And how? ALL high tech is destroyed!

Huh? Where are you getting that from?

The Catalyst says so. It is why the Geth are killed if you destroy the Reapers.

[AlanC9]

Tirigon wrote...

Without space magic aka Mass Relays travel between systems is not possible in the lore of Mass Effect.

This is just wrong. We travel between the systems without using relays all the time in the games. What do you think is going on when you fly the Normandy from one system to another in a cluster?

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[culletron1]

yes

[Alex_SM]

You are overreacting. To rebuild the galaxy they only need a few bits of space magic.

[Talon2000uk]

I like Kirk, don't believe in the no win scenario. This is supposed to be the end to a series about choice, I do not want to be told what ending i get I want my action to be reflected in the ending. She may die she may not its up to what I do to make the difference. Hell even the **** endings we have now have the option of Shepard living. Bioware do not rail road me into having my Shepard die. Again this is a game about choice.

DAO did it best. You could die, you could sacrifice Alistair or you could make the bargain and live. That was a good ending.

[The Razman]

What are you talking about "if"? He does die.

[Tirigon]

AlanC9 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Without space magic aka Mass Relays travel between systems is not possible in the lore of Mass Effect.

This is just wrong. We travel between the systems without using relays all the time in the games. What do you think is going on when you fly the Normandy from one system to another in a cluster?

Maybe I am confusing systems with Clusters or something. but at any rate, travel between the place where one Mass Relay is and where the next is is impossible without it. I do not know, and not really care tbh, if that is called cluster or system or something else. You know what I mean.

[Alex_SM]

The Razman wrote...

What are you talking about "if"? He does die.

No if you play enough multiplayer. 

[jeweledleah]

AlanC9 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Without space magic aka Mass Relays travel between systems is not possible in the lore of Mass Effect.

This is just wrong. We travel between the systems without using relays all the time in the games. What do you think is going on when you fly the Normandy from one system to another in a cluster?

can't travel between clusters though.  nowhere to refuel or discharge the emmission,s before they overheat the core.  plus it would take too long.

[xScarecrowX]

I would be OK with Shep dying if s/he had a choice to live or die. The current ending takes away that option. IMO, his/her death is rather unheroic in the current ending. It's like "Ok, I agree Starchild I don't understand, I'm going to die because you told me to."

[Tirigon]

Alex_SM wrote...

The Razman wrote...

What are you talking about "if"? He does die.

No if you play enough multiplayer. 

The he gasps for breath in London's ruins.

The chances of surviving are slim at best even then. Hell, for all we know it could be hy DYING breath.

Modifié par Tirigon, 25 mars 2012 - 05:30 .