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[Bagenholt]

You know, between the failed attempts at ad hominem, and seriously beautiful examples of illiteracy in this thread. I'm sort of saddened the 'touched' breed fast. Yous are the best argument against Herbert Spencer and Darwin; and most entertaining posters. It's like reading youtube comments.

[MerinTB]

You know what else ruins the experience?



Seeing a trailer like Sacred Ashes and expecting gameplay to actually be like that.

[Darpaek]

DA:O /= BG? That's your opinion.

[phordicus]

anyone familiar with the Madden series of games has come to understand how irrelevant ratings are. you always inflate and hype an EA game because you want their ad revenue.

[thegreateski]

Kaosgirl wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

fro7k wrote...

14-17 year old white males

Racist.

This

Meh. 
I'm still waiting for the "DA:O is racist, Darkspawn horde = mexican immigrants" angsting.

Oh my god. . . .it's true!

They'll take our jerbs!!!

[marshalleck]

Baldur's Gate: 90% nostalgia

[Maria Caliban]

DA:O doesn't have any affiliation with BG.

[deathwing200]

fro7k wrote...

14-17 year old white males

Racist.

You're honestly retarded.

[Malsumis]

marshalleck wrote...

Baldur's Gate: 90% nostalgia

Quoted for Truth.

[dapatoumba]

quoting from Wolfva2



"I think people bring up BG2 so often is because it had an emotional impact. I mean, some of the story arcs just punched you in the gut. Imoen's torture, finding whatshisname chopped up on the table, heck, the little boy in the graveyard who was 'hurt' by a 'bad man' and just wanted his teddy bear...those were emotionally twisting adventures"



please a bit of respect ;p whatshisname was Khalid , Jaheira's husband always scared as crazy , completed Baldur's gate many times with the same party my warrior , Imoen the thief Khalid & Jaheira and of course Minsc & Boo not to forget Minsc's Witch kidnapeed by the gnolls in the pits....

[TileToad]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

FMV games were the best.

Some of them (7th guest, WC3 and 4, Spycraft, Under a Killing Moon) were pretty good, IMO.

[Drake Sigar]

Hard to argue with you wookie, although as soon as I heard Dragon Age had absolutely nothing to do with the Dungeons & Dragons universe, I threw out all that spiritual successor garbage and judged it on it's own. Pretty pleased with my experience overall.

[xguild]

While I enjoyed Torment and Baulders Gate, certainly classics in retrospect, to say they where "more mature" is silly. Baulders Gate was ... childish, full standard fantasy clice's and predictable storylines. Baulders Gate was a classic because it used classic storylines that where written hundreds of times with different names and places in thousands of fantasy novals and role-playing games (pencil and paper). Its the type of game I could play with my 5 year old comfertably



Dragon's Age is definitly not a 14-17 game (I would question a parent who allowed a 14 year old to play games like this), its definitly for the mature audiance (violance, gore, sex, demons?) since when are any of those things anything but rated R?



Dragons Age is what Baulders Gate became... its effectivly a future classic. We will be talking about Dragons Age 10 years from now as we do today about Baulders Gate

[Drake Sigar]

xguild wrote...

Dragon's Age is definitly not a 14-17 game (I would question a parent who allowed a 14 year old to play games like this), its definitly for the mature audiance (violance, gore, sex, demons?) since when are any of those things anything but rated R?

I saw very little to warrant an adult rating. The language was pretty tame, and the only nudity to be found was a desire demon's barely covered boobs. The sex scenes are a disjointed ten second set of clips with both characters in their underwear. Mass Effect showed more, and that was a 12+ game! Only the amount of blood seems to earn that adult rating, and ironically also seems childish.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 01 décembre 2009 - 10:29 .

[purplesunset]

Bioware kindof did shoot itself a bit with the "Spiritual successor" thing and their peculiar marketing choice.

Bioware marketted Dragon Age to TWO distinct  groups of people:


A) Their most loyal fans who are still under the nostalgia of Baldur's Gate

Bioware knew that in order to get the people who loved Baldur's Gate to buy this game, all they had to do was say "Spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate." They essentially were preying on their fans' nostalgia, and knew that these people were their most loyal fans and would buy any game with the name Bioware on it because they associated Bioware with Baldur's Gate.


   New people who most likely never played rpg's before, and are accustomed to mmo's or FPS games

If you look at the Dragon Age trailers themselves, you will see that the trailers were NOT targetted at the "Spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" crowd. The trailers were noticably fast-paced, action-packed and really emphasized the blood and gore factor. The website design,  and the huge Dragon Age pop-up ads which bombard us on gaming sites....all played up the "dark" action packed game theme that Bioware wanted to market to this crowd of people.


So what happened is they marketted the game for two separate people, but the ones who are most disappointed with Dragon Age turned out to be their oldest, most devoted fan--- the ones who Bioware attracted with the "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" line.

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Modifié par purplesunset, 01 décembre 2009 - 10:47 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

@purplesunset: That sounds like brilliant marketing to me. Shooting oneself in the foot? More like injecting oneself with HGH.

[purplesunset]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

@purplesunset: That sounds like brilliant marketing to me. Shooting oneself in the foot? More like injecting oneself with HGH.

Well, if you read around the boards, you will find a lot of threads about disappointment with the game, and DLC. The most vocal critics so far seem to be the long time fans who were hooked in with the "Spiritual successor" line.

I'm not sure that  invoking the ire of your oldest fanbase is a good move.

Modifié par purplesunset, 01 décembre 2009 - 10:48 .

[xguild]

Drake Sigar wrote...

xguild wrote...

Dragon's Age is definitly not a 14-17 game (I would question a parent who allowed a 14 year old to play games like this), its definitly for the mature audiance (violance, gore, sex, demons?) since when are any of those things anything but rated R?

I saw very little to warrant an adult rating. The language was pretty tame, and the only nudity to be found was a desire demon's barely covered boobs. The sex scenes are a disjointed ten second set of clips with both characters in their underwear. Mass Effect showed more, and that was a 12+ game! Only the amount of blood seems to earn that adult rating, and ironically also seems childish.

Its a common misconception, one you probobly don't connect until you have kids but Nudity and sex generally aren't as big of a problem as violance, blood and gore when it comes to kids. Sex is usually only an issue when violance is mixed into it (aka violant or rough sex) is particularly bad for kids to see. I can understand very easily why this game got an R rating.

[The Capital Gaultier]

purplesunset wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

@purplesunset: That sounds like brilliant marketing to me. Shooting oneself in the foot? More like injecting oneself with HGH.

Well, if you read around the boards, you will find a lot of threads about disappointment with the game, and DLC. The most vocal critics so far seem to be the long time fans who were hooked in with the "Spiritual successor" line.

I'm not sure that  invoking the ire of your oldest fanbase is a good move.

Well, I personally do not think that injecting HGH is a good idea either, but it does have its benefits.  Same with the marketing for Dragon Age, it seems to me.

[sleepy mage]

What is it with all the love of Baldurs Gate? I started playing the first one, and was playing it until DA came out. I enjoyed the game, but to say it is better than DA is looking at it with rose colored glasses. It is certainly not better than DA in any way. The story is worse, the writing is worse, the fighting itself is not nearly as enjoyable, the world is not nearly as immersive. The character in DA are much more memorable. Please enlighten me as to why it is better? My guess is that it has more to do with nostalgia than anything.

Because it was a great game in its day (which I do not doubt) they somehow think that it still holds up, even though many things have gotten better since.

[xguild]

sleepy mage wrote...

What is it with all the love of Baldurs Gate? I started playing the first one, and was playing it until DA came out. I enjoyed the game, but to say it is better than DA is looking at it with rose colored glasses. It is certainly not better than DA in any way. The story is worse, the writing is worse, the fighting itself is not nearly as enjoyable, the world is not nearly as immersive. The character in DA are much more memorable. Please enlighten me as to why it is better? My guess is that it has more to do with nostalgia than anything.
Because it was a great game in its day (which I do not doubt) they somehow think that it still holds up, even though many things have gotten better since.

Ya I have to agree with you there.. I mean I loved the Pool of Radiance gold box game at the time, as I did Baulders Gate when it was released and I know look back with affection at NeverWinter Nights 1.. but to go back and play them after Dragons Agè?  NeverWinter Nights 2?  There is no way they stack up against Dragon Age in any way shape or form, they aren't even in the same category.  Its like trying to go back to the diet I had when i was 5 years old (bologne sandwhiches and Hot Dogs)... i mean its not that I don't like that food any more but I have grown up... moved past it.  Baulders Gate is a childs toy in comparison to Dragons Age.

[Drake Sigar]

xguild wrote...
Nudity and sex generally aren't as big of a problem as violance, blood and gore when it comes to kids.

GTA's sex mini-game (hot coffee mod) drew all the negative attention away from thrusting through people's guts with a chainsaw. There's numerous examples over the years which indicate that some people think sex, a natural thing that everybody does, is worse than violence in video games.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 01 décembre 2009 - 11:56 .

[Venthiros]

 advertised for a target audience of 14-17 year old white males

Umm, I wonder why?  Maybe because the majority of Western RPG gamers are white???  Who do you think the target audience of 50 Cent Blood on the sand is targeted toward? LMAO  People cease to amaze me.  Everything has to cater toward everyone else but white people.

Modifié par Venthiros, 01 décembre 2009 - 12:10 .

[purplesunset]

Drake Sigar wrote...

xguild wrote...
Nudity and sex generally aren't as big of a problem as violance, blood and gore when it comes to kids.

GTA's sex mini-game (hot coffee mod) drew all the negative attention away from thrusting through people's guts with a chainsaw. There's numerous examples over the years which indicate that some people think sex, a natural thing that everybody does, is worse than violence in video games.

Apparently in Germany, it's the other way around.

In America, showing a woman's breasts is far more vile and uncouth than showing someone getting beheaded in a video game. While in Germany, they focus more on restricting blood, gore and violence in games.

The funny thing is German gamers want to swap with America, while American players want to swap with Germany.

[PaladinZero]

I think we have to look at what "Spiritual Successor" means. Apparently it meant something different to me than others who feel duped by the game. Was I looking for a neatly polished game set in the Forgotten Realms? No. All I was looking for was a well written RPG that had compelling characters and good story that made my character feel important to the story. All I was looking for was fulfilled in Dragon Age. My only gripe is a silly one: too much DLC. I felt like there were parts of the game that I was missing out on after I just bought it...but at the same time there is more game to play and who can really complain about that?



I don't think that Baldur's Gate was childish or something that I could never go back to. I will still load it up every once in a while because it was that important to me. I admit that I have lots of nostalgia towards it, but the story and characters showed me what was really possible when a game company takes the time to make a really good game. Would I recommend it now? Honestly, no. Age has taken a toll out of it and I doubt that anyone these days would get past the graphics and restrictive 2nd Edition DnD rules. It was a fantastic game for the time, and I am glad that there are those who want to recreate the feelings I had with new games.