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[sadako]

Possibly, but I'm going to wait out for the thought of guinea pigs of DA3 first.

[mebtru]

If they don't fix ME3 yes, they already killed Dragon Age and KOTOR, so yeah Bioware do not have anymore games that are interesting for me, and if they make a new one, knowing how they handled the last one, i wont buy it.

[TheRisenStar]

If they are not going to show their customers respect, why would I buy another game from them?

And by that, I don't mean that respect=changing the endings to my particular preference. All I really want is something that is coherent, in respect of the themes of the narrative thus far, and something that gives closure. "Lots of Speculation" is a slap in the face built upon a silly and poorly executed idea.

That's just a small thing to me, though. Good writers can lay eggs. Their handling of this is the much worse part of this. At every opportunity they have denied, deflected and allowed (if not outright supported) their fans being defamed by their friends in the gaming press. They have marginalized their customers - seeking every chance to state (whether true or not) to minimalize the opinions and critiques of a healthy portion of their fanbase.

All this talk of "collecting feedback" just comes across as more deflection; "We're listening but not really." When Bethesda screwed up, they owned it. You can't have a healthy relationship (business or otherwise) without trust and you can't maintain trust when you seem to be blatantly obtuse.

I could take the silence and abiguity as mere precaution if it were not for the continual need of fluffing their own feathers and support. It's condescending. Very well - it's their right to act that way, and to conduct themselves in whatever way they feel serves their own interest...

But not with my money. It's really simple for me - I don't give money to companies that don't show a modicum of real concern for addressing the concerns of their customers. Whether or not BioWare ends up fitting that description is completely up to them.

Modifié par TheRisenStar, 24 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[HunMassiv]

I don't even want to think of BioWare and any of their games anymore. I just can't resist thinking about the messed up ending, so I just want to Hold the Line, until things are going to change, hopefully in a good way.

[bro_9009]

If they don't add more ending options (total destruction - total happy victory with Shep alive and with his LI, squadmates etc.) as they promised before the release, I won't be buying their games in the future. Nor will I use Origin, since the only reason I installed it was because of ME3.

It's a matter of expectations. I loved BioWare games because they were story-oriented, not because of their gameplay, so I never read any spoilers about them before I completed them myself. And they always had an option for a happy inspirational end. ME2's ending with complete victory and everyone alive was awesome, for example. Not to mention that your choices really mattered in ME2.

So, if BioWare won't fix ME3 end, that would mean that my trust in them to make games that I can enjoy is lost. I can check reviews and spoilers before I buy to see what kind of an end to the story there will be, but then the whole point of playing their games will be lost for me.

PS: I can enjoy darker story, but for that I have other great games, such as Deus Ex series.

Modifié par bro_9009, 24 mars 2012 - 09:48 .

[FierceReaper]

Well I'm sure as hell not going to pre-order DA3 now.

[13Dannyboy13]

Aisynia wrote...

I want to add...

I think a lot of us are struggling to come to grips with a new reality, a reality we don't want to face or admit could be true: That BioWare, a company many of us have counted on for quality products and services since the late 90s, has evolved and changed in a way many of us don't appreciate and are not comfortable with. We are coming to terms with the reality that our personal definitions of "BioWare" and the kinds of thoughts we associate with it, no longer apply.

It's like learning one day that a common English word that you have used regularly has evolved to mean something completely different without your knowledge, and you can't help but reflect on all those times you used that word, wondering if you had inadvertantly said something terrible when you were simply trying to make conversation.

Less complicated example.. it's like one day being told that down is now up.

After Dragon Age II, many of us were worried, but figured, "hey, they'll pull it together", but now, after Mass Effect 3, we're seeing a trend instead of a fluke.

For many of us, I think this isn't just about losing faith in a company, but being forced to redefine something we don't want to, because we don't want it to be true.

The change started after EA bought Bioware, like other companies they have bought they will milk it for everything they can, then toss it to the wolves. Sadly Bioware is is only a name now, the ones pulling the strings are EA, and they've proven time and again that they are simply suits out to make money off of long time fans. It's been heading downhill since Dragon Age Origins and all the bs associated with that game, like a real patch that took over 8 months to come to the consoles, it's all about quantity over quality now, and more sales will win every time.

Modifié par 13Dannyboy13, 24 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[Jorina Leto]

If they don't fix the ending, I will not buy any EA or Bioware product.

[naes1984]

It depends on how they handle this train wreck that they have caused. If they fix the endings, I'll stay. If not, then NO Dragon Age 3. Simple as that.

[MassiveEffects]

Unless they release a piece of DLC that concludes the game in a manner that I think is acceptable, almost certainly yes.

[mattynutz]

Probably. The ending was bad enough. They way they handled it was salt in the wound. They way they continued to relate to their upset fans asking them for information, discussing what information they got, and they way they attacked discussion of that was vinegar with that salt. It makes pretty good chips, but bad consumer relations.

I'm probably going to hold out until after PAX East, and see what happens with that, but there are a lot of outcomes that weigh against future BW purchases and few that weigh for it, especially considering how they are reacting to the few for t.

[Spherexius]

That depends on how they proceed from here. What I do know for sure, is that it will be the last Bioware and EA game I'll ever pre-order.

I've been burned three times now (DA2, SW:TOR CE and lately ME3), and the limit to what I could take has been reached.

Modifié par Spherexius, 24 mars 2012 - 11:01 .

[Vox Draco]

I guess I will make that decision in April...

Well, you should never say never, but for me, no matter how things turn out, I will be a lot more careful from now on. Dragon Age 3...without the current controversy I had bought it without question, even as preorder...

But now...I am careful...and watching....

[Element Zero]

It's the last I pre-order on faith, assuming excellence. If they can botch ME3, they can botch anything. I no longer trust their judgement enough for pre-orders.

I hope they'll fix this ending and DA3 will be a week 2 purchase for me. I'm skeptical, though, and to some extent, the damage is already done.

[Keldon Northwind]

Yes, it is.

[spacehamsterZH]

No.

[zarnk567]

Dev showing no respect toward their own franchises and fans = no buying games from that Developer

[Ossborn76]

When they don´t fix the endings, then yes. Bioware will never ever get a single cent from me... I already skipped my SWTOR subscription.

Modifié par Ossborn76, 24 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[R8edR]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

I want to add...

I think a lot of us are struggling to come to grips with a new reality, a reality we don't want to face or admit could be true: That BioWare, a company many of us have counted on for quality products and services since the late 90s, has evolved and changed in a way many of us don't appreciate and are not comfortable with. We are coming to terms with the reality that our personal definitions of "BioWare" and the kinds of thoughts we associate with it, no longer apply.

It's like learning one day that a common English word that you have used regularly has evolved to mean something completely different without your knowledge, and you can't help but reflect on all those times you used that word, wondering if you had inadvertantly said something terrible when you were simply trying to make conversation.

Less complicated example.. it's like one day being told that down is now up.

After Dragon Age II, many of us were worried, but figured, "hey, they'll pull it together", but now, after Mass Effect 3, we're seeing a trend instead of a fluke.

For many of us, I think this isn't just about losing faith in a company, but being forced to redefine something we don't want to, because we don't want it to be true.

The change started after EA bought Bioware, like other companies they have bought they will milk it for everything they can, then toss it to the wolves. Sadly Bioware is is only a name now, the ones pulling the strings are EA, and they've proven time and again that they are simply suits out to make money off of long time fans. It's been heading downhill since Dragon Age Origins and all the bs associated with that game, like a real patch that took over 8 months to come to the consoles, it's all about quantity over quality now, and more sales will win every time.

I sorry, but I don't buy the argument that it's EA's fault.  Perhaps EA put them on too tight of a deadline, which forced Bioware to come up with the garbage ending it did.

But I can't see how EA would want any part with the current ending.  It essentially kills off one of there big money making characters, and makes it almost impossible to have any future game in the current Mass Effect universe.

I believe this ending falls squarely on the shoulders of Bioware and the Director Casey Hudson.  How he was able to approve and continue to support an ending that is filled with so many holes is beyond me.

To be honest, the only reason I think they will fix the ending, isn't because of Bioware, its because of EA.  Judging by the response from Hudson and Muzyka, while they are disappointed with the response, they seem to think their ending was a master piece.  EA will fix it for no other reason then they can see the big $$$$ that a better ending can do for the current game, and any success of  future Mass Effect games.

[The Sacred One]

Unless they fix the ending, very likely. I pre-ordered the collector's edition for ME3, and despite the game being brilliant, the ending let me down and just ruined the whole ME experience. Not replaying ME3 either, unless it's fixed. I would like to think that the company cares for the fans as well, and we will see in April.

[loocsileinad]

That depends entirely on whether or not they fix the endings, honestly. For now, I am not preordering anything that they produce, unless a new ending shows up and blows my mind. If indoctrination is true (whether or not they actually planned it that way from the start), my faith will be fully reaffirmed. Basically, it hinges on their big April announcement.

[xdognatex]

All depends on how they handle this fix.

[danteliveson]

I loved DA2 so I'll get DA3.

[heathxxx]

Possibly not. Will depend on what they have to offer and if it's of any appeal. Certainly won't pre-order though, as I did with DA2 and ME3.

Unfortunately what happened with DA2 (compared to DA:O which I thought was fantastic), utterly killed any of my interest in the DA franchise. I played DA2 once, was utterly horrified, didn't buy any DLC, uninstalled the game and it's gathering dust somewhere amongst my extensive games collection.

The ME franchise, well, assuming ME3 isn't the end (if the IP still offers potential profits to BioWare/EA), it will depend a great deal on what what they come up with for DLC content for ME3 and if any future plans for the franchise pique my interest.

I've no interest in the Star Wars MMO, even as a big Star Wars fan. I've no interest in MMO's since I quit playing Ultima Online about three years ago. That was the only MMO I played (from 1998 to around 2009). Interestingly, the UO franchise has also been merged into the BioWare stable, though unfortunately, that title is very much an "old dog" that can't be taught "new tricks". Continually changing development teams gradually destroyed what was great about the game in its first few years and it's more of a dash for shiny items, rather than an actual role-playing game.

As for anything else that comes from BioWare, at this stage I will likely first of all see if it's something that would interest me, then await user feedback, before buying.

BioWare up until recent years, has been the only developer under the EA umbrella, who's games I was interested in.

Modifié par heathxxx, 24 mars 2012 - 02:00 .