If they won't change the ending, ME3 was the last game I ever bought from Biaware or EA!
Is ME 3 the last BioWare game you're buying?
Débuté par
Stonesoundjam
, mars 23 2012 05:42
#101
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:14
#102
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:14
If they leave the ending as is? Most likely ME3 will be the last Bioware game that I buy.
If they just do hamfisted "clarify" DLC thing? Yeah, if they missed the point and/or ignored it, then spending more $ isn't likely.
If they actually devise a real ending in the vein of previous ME games? I'll likely be buying more of their products.
If they just do hamfisted "clarify" DLC thing? Yeah, if they missed the point and/or ignored it, then spending more $ isn't likely.
If they actually devise a real ending in the vein of previous ME games? I'll likely be buying more of their products.
#103
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:15
Depends. Its more abioware in general under EA than ME3's ending for me.
#104
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:16
2 times Bioware has given me missarable endings (Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3) if they do the same in Dragon Age 3 then by all means I will never ever buy games from them , heck they still dont let me buy TOR for some reason
..... is sad little by little most videogame companies are stopping to grab my attention because of the cliffhanger/lousy endings.
#105
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:17
Since joining up with EA they don't seem to be the same. Games are being dumbed down for wider appeal, I don't think the fans are as much of a priority as they used to be.
I'm not going to say never ever, because that would be stupid, but I'm sure can't see me pre-ordering one of their games again. You just can't be sure you would be getting what they say should be getting.
They need to earn my trust again, they are capable but we shall see.
I'm not going to say never ever, because that would be stupid, but I'm sure can't see me pre-ordering one of their games again. You just can't be sure you would be getting what they say should be getting.
They need to earn my trust again, they are capable but we shall see.
#106
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:17
Probably. I am not voting in definites yet. The scrambled story telling and ending have left me "scarred".
Modifié par Faunwea, 23 mars 2012 - 06:18 .
#107
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:17
Wow, I almost hope BW doesn't change the endings based on these comments. I have yet to play a BW game that hasn't been great. Have there been disappointments? Yes. Hardly worth boycotting their products though!
Modifié par Degs29, 23 mars 2012 - 06:18 .
#108
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:19
Well, it's the last one I buy new.
#109
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:19
Too soon to tell.
#110
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:19
I think that probably it is. I don't really know. I spent 87 dollars on the Collector's Edition expecting a "satisfying conclusion" and was extremely disappointed.
It seems like now that EA is their publisher, Bioware's time constraints are tighter and their games suffer. Dragon Age 2 was obviously rushed. Even before the ending in Mass Effect 3, many of the textures and animations were horrendous and unpolished (even in comparison to ME2).
Also the marketing for their games is tasteless and annoying. I had no idea who Jessica Chobot was before ME3, and I see no reason why I should know who she is now. Diana Allers was a completely unnecessary addition. Did they do that just to garner more favor from the gaming press? In the meantime, they kill off Emily Wong on TWITTER LOL.
It seems like now that EA is their publisher, Bioware's time constraints are tighter and their games suffer. Dragon Age 2 was obviously rushed. Even before the ending in Mass Effect 3, many of the textures and animations were horrendous and unpolished (even in comparison to ME2).
Also the marketing for their games is tasteless and annoying. I had no idea who Jessica Chobot was before ME3, and I see no reason why I should know who she is now. Diana Allers was a completely unnecessary addition. Did they do that just to garner more favor from the gaming press? In the meantime, they kill off Emily Wong on TWITTER LOL.
#111
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:19
Yes.
#112
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:20
Heck no! I still have faith in BioWare.
#113
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:21
Definitely not the last Bioware game I will buy, but almost certainly the last Mass Effect product I will buy. Last time I checked, Casey Hudson wasn't the project lead on ALL of their games. That said, if they fix the ending, I will gladly return to the Mass Effect universe. As for pre orders. . . Yeah, not likely.
#114
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:21
If they have the balls to admit that Casey screwed up ME3 then yeah, I can give them benefit of doubt. But I highly doubt it.
#115
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:22
Nope, I was gun shy about Bioware after Dragon Age 2, but ME3 reaffirmed my faith in their ability to spin a good yarn. No, I didn't care for the ending much (more the sketchiness to it than the Childhood's End aspects), but the rest (you know, 98% of the game) was top notch, with some great characterizations and moments that really pulled at your heart.
I think about it the way I think about how the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series ended. Adams himself was on record as saying he didn't like the ending, but sadly died before he could write more DLC (I mean, sequels. Oddly, no one would have expected him to do it for free. But I digress). Still one of my favorite series, right up there with Discworld in terms of whimsy and outright laughs. The ending didn't alter how much I loved the books up to that point. And I happily bought other books he wrote.
YMMV
I think about it the way I think about how the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series ended. Adams himself was on record as saying he didn't like the ending, but sadly died before he could write more DLC (I mean, sequels. Oddly, no one would have expected him to do it for free. But I digress). Still one of my favorite series, right up there with Discworld in terms of whimsy and outright laughs. The ending didn't alter how much I loved the books up to that point. And I happily bought other books he wrote.
YMMV
Modifié par SuperMedbh, 23 mars 2012 - 06:23 .
#116
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:23
If they fix the ending, no I'll pre-order Dragon Age 3.
#117
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:25
That depends on them changing or adding to the ending so it is worthy of the series.
Right now the ending feels like contrived, illogical and pretentious garbage, and just trying to explain it with a couple of pages of text and animated comic is not nearly enough.
BW should take 6 months to make it and make it right this time. I won't mind buying it.
Right now the ending feels like contrived, illogical and pretentious garbage, and just trying to explain it with a couple of pages of text and animated comic is not nearly enough.
BW should take 6 months to make it and make it right this time. I won't mind buying it.
#118
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:25
Hans-Erik wrote...
That depends on if they fix the ending or not.
This.
Although, I'd like to continue the DA universe... I'm just really disappointed right now. I've spent a lot of years and money on ME in general and ME3 specifically.
#119
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:25
It depends. If I don't buy more it will be less because of the ending and more because of my other issues with ME3. They're definitely off my auto buy list and I'll probably have to track and read a bunch of reviews (user reviews) before I buy their next game.
#120
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:28
I have thought about it and I have concluded how I will behave in the future based on 4 options:
1. BioWare admits that the ending is bad, admits that it was originally intended that way and produces a DLC giving us some meager text "closure". In that case I will say kudos, because they stand fast and proud by their decisions but I won't pre-order again and I will only buy after reading thorough reviews.
2. BioWare admits that the ending is bad, admits that it was originally intended that way and produces a DLC giving us some nice content worthy of the name Mass Effect. In that case I would probably give them the chance to show a paying customer that they learned from their mistake by buying their next major title.
3.BioWare admits that the ending is bad, admits that it was not originally intended that way but wad done so to produce DLC and produces a DLC giving us some meager text "closure". In that case, I would probably wouldn't buy another game from BioWare again, since not only they gave us a less than mediocre ending to a great game but they did that on purpose to get more money!
4. BioWare admits that the ending is bad, admits that it was not originally intended that way but wad done so to produce DLC and produces a DLC giving us some really nice content akin to choice No. 2. In that case, I would follow the first choice's result. Be wary of next products and only buying them if they are complete and consistent.
1. BioWare admits that the ending is bad, admits that it was originally intended that way and produces a DLC giving us some meager text "closure". In that case I will say kudos, because they stand fast and proud by their decisions but I won't pre-order again and I will only buy after reading thorough reviews.
2. BioWare admits that the ending is bad, admits that it was originally intended that way and produces a DLC giving us some nice content worthy of the name Mass Effect. In that case I would probably give them the chance to show a paying customer that they learned from their mistake by buying their next major title.
3.BioWare admits that the ending is bad, admits that it was not originally intended that way but wad done so to produce DLC and produces a DLC giving us some meager text "closure". In that case, I would probably wouldn't buy another game from BioWare again, since not only they gave us a less than mediocre ending to a great game but they did that on purpose to get more money!
4. BioWare admits that the ending is bad, admits that it was not originally intended that way but wad done so to produce DLC and produces a DLC giving us some really nice content akin to choice No. 2. In that case, I would follow the first choice's result. Be wary of next products and only buying them if they are complete and consistent.
#121
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:29
Last game I will preorder. If ending not fixed no dlc. Will give dragon age a chance, but after it has been out for awhile.
#122
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:30
No, of course it isn't.
#123
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:31
Unless they fix the ending, yes. Also, won't preorder anymore.
#124
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:31
For sure the last one i pre order, and im not buying it unless they FIX the endings not give us some "closure" with some ****ty 40 second slideshow in other words ill buy their products again when they fix this:
Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/
“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/
“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/
“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/
“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry
“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."
Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.
“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”
“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx
“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/
“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”
“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”
Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2
Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”
“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”
Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html
Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble.
Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html
"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing"
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/
“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2
“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”
Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/
“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/
“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/
“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/
“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry
“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."
Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.
“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”
“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx
“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/
“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”
“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”
Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2
Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”
“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”
Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html
Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble.
Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html
"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing"
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/
“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2
“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”
#125
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:33
Not really. It'll be the last one I buy at full price or even consider pre-ordering. I'll wait it out until the next game is below the thirty dollar mark on Amazon. Or if I'm really patient, I'll simply wait until the 'Game of the Year' or the 'Ultimate Edition' pops up around twenty bucks.
Then again, I may return to trying out the game via Redbox again. =\\ I could have paid around four dollars to complete ME3 and not have felt nearly as horrible as I do now in knowing I spent sixty to keep it in my shelf gathering dust. *sigh*
Then again, I may return to trying out the game via Redbox again. =\\ I could have paid around four dollars to complete ME3 and not have felt nearly as horrible as I do now in knowing I spent sixty to keep it in my shelf gathering dust. *sigh*





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