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[Artemis_Entrari]

KBomb wrote...

Stopped reading at this:

I don’t know what the ending of Mass Effect 3 entails, and I don’t care. I haven’t even played Mass Effect 3 yet. Hell, I’m still working through the first one at the moment. But despite that lack of personal contact with and investment in the issue

While I generally tend to avoid being dismissive outright of individuals, I can't help but agree with the above about the author of the article, especially after that quote.  Unless you've played the games (in his case, he's barely even played the FIRST game), you simply don't understand the emotional impact the ending can have on your entire journey.  The author has no investment in the series, and thus doesn't understand why those who do can be so passionate about it.

An extreme example -- and I'm not comparing the magnitude of that struggle with the ME3 ending fiasco -- but it would be like me commenting on the situation in the Gaza strip.  I don't live there, I have no family on either side, and quite frankly, all I know about it is what I've seen from brief 5 minute clips on the news.  So I wouldn't come out with a definite statement about it because I simply don't understand the emotional impact of what's going on like those who are actually affected by it would.

[squirrelnoob]

Just so you all know, a few years from now when companies are purposefully making atrocious endings as the norm and you all again start demanding a better one, and that you'll even pay for it: this is all your fault. The article is 100% correct love it or not, you have no right demanding BioWare change anything. Its their game and story, regardless of what they've stated in interviews or blogs before hand, this is the ending they wanted. Play it and love it or hate it.

This all stems from a generation of people suckling at the teat of indulgence and the idea that everything has to be perfect for them. Soon these same people will go to art galleries demanding a painter change a portrait.

No one has a right to demand a video game company change their games because of a subjective wish for perfection. When BioWare gives in it will be the start of something very ugly and nasty. You sown this and what you reap will be unpleasant.

I blame parents.

Modifié par squirrelnoob, 23 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[KBomb]

RiouHotaru wrote...


But in Fallout 3's case, Todd Howard HIMSELF said he didn't like the ending, and had Broken Steel developed.  Bioware is completely backing their own endings here.  To cave in to the fan's whims every time they shout loud enough about something DOES set a dangerous precedent.

Yeah, it's good people like Todd Howard can admit to mistakes and then rectify them. I wish Bioware would follow suit instead of praising themselves and hiding behind artistic integrity.

[batlin]

RiouHotaru wrote...

But in Fallout 3's case, Todd Howard HIMSELF said he didn't like the ending, and had Broken Steel developed.  Bioware is completely backing their own endings here.  To cave in to the fan's whims every time they shout loud enough about something DOES set a dangerous precedent.

Todd Howard actually has good taste. Any honest person would look at ME3's ending and say "you know, this doesn't make sense and it goes against what we said it would be. we should probably change it."

[Devina]

I've seen a lot of people say changing the ending. Personally to me would I have liked my Sheppard to live and go off and die a peaceful death a few years later or w/e with their LI or w/e sure, but I think that ending would have to be seriously had to get. Even a ending only obtainable thru a full insanity play thru start to finish and a perfect play thru at that. But for me if Shep dies shep dies. I would like an expansion on the ending as in what happened as a reprocusion cause of it. Did earth and the other races live. Heck a commentary by one of the suriving companions as to what happened over the next x amount of years. Liara would be perfect if she lived thru the end with her 1k year life span. Could be limited to a next serveral months after or years but at least it would fill in the blanks and give the player a sense of what happened.

Course then you could get the Sheppard breath ending right before credits that just makes you WTF?? Which throws a whole new wrench into the equation.

[spirosz]

Fallout 3?

It's not like this hasn't been done before.

[Artemis_Entrari]

spiros9110 wrote...

Fallout 3?

It's not like this hasn't been done before.

Shhh!  Stop posting logical stuff.

If people want to get upset because this will be a dangerous precedent (even though it's been done before, in many mediums other than just video games), let them keep making themselves look silly doing so.

[Adranathz]

not all games are like Mass effect 3, so , ****ty games can end like they want

ME = bioware = promise = high standars = Leader claiming not ABC ending = L2 dont promise if you are not gonna do it

[spirosz]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Fallout 3?

It's not like this hasn't been done before.

Shhh!  Stop posting logical stuff.

If people want to get upset because this will be a dangerous precedent (even though it's been done before, in many mediums other than just video games), let them keep making themselves look silly doing so.

Word. 

[SlottsMachine]

Adranathz wrote...

not all games are like Mass effect 3, so , ****ty games can end like they want

Haven't even read the article yet, already nodding my head to this.

Edit/

Having read it, I'm confused. Wouldn't a more dangerous precedent be the potential of 'pay for play' going console? I mean this is EA. 

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 23 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[ReshyShira]

Honestly I believe bioware is trying to encourage some kind of coup, basically encouraging big gaming sites to go against what the fans actually want for some easy money.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Yeah, that was a waste of time. The first two games have been out for the last five years. The author can beat those and ME3 for running his mouth about "precedents".

[Verit]

Kub666 wrote...

" I haven’t even played Mass Effect 3 yet."

This invalidates the rest of the article pretty much.

Is it just me, or is the sudden wave of support for the ending to stay as it is mostly originating from a group of people that haven't even played the game? This is frustrating, as they're basically pushing Bioware not to listen to a significant amount of their core fans. Fans that care more about the Mass Effect universe and characters than those people will ever do.

[Habs25]

Responses: "we think he is wrong because it serves us to think that." Desole, that's not how it works, the man is dead on.

[Heliosas]

It will set a dangerous precedent? haha Yeah right. A: It's been done before. And B: a company willing to actually accept and alter a mistake is a company to be adored and followed. It's not as if the ending was just unhappy and we are all crying because there was no sunshine and bunnies. We.Were.Lied.To. Not only that the ending departs from everything that is Mass Effect.

The Mass Effect Trilogy was only equalled in its scope and glory by it's monumentally dire and nonsensical ending. I've never before seen such a BS ending to game. And for the best story-telling company out there to pull that kind of crap is beyond anything many of us are willing to accept.

Modifié par Heliosas, 23 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[KBomb]

Habs25 wrote...

Responses: "we think he is wrong because it serves us to think that." Desole, that's not how it works, the man is dead on.

 
He's wrong because he is suppose to be in the field of journalism—I use that term loosely-- and has done no research. He is basing his flawed opinion on supposition, he can't even base it on experience. He is wrong because he states plainly he doesn't care what the ending entails, yet he still crawls upon his soapbox with his dunce cap of ignorance on and talks about things in which he has no knowledge of. He is setting a dangerous precedence for journalism.

[DarkSpider88]

KBomb wrote...

Stopped reading at this:

I don’t know what the ending of Mass Effect 3 entails, and I don’t care. I haven’t even played Mass Effect 3 yet. Hell, I’m still working through the first one at the moment. But despite that lack of personal contact with and investment in the issue

I am not reading an article by someone who hasn't played all three games.

[Wolder88]

Its irrelevant that he hasn't played ME3 yet(hear me out), since his argument is another variation of "artistic integrity". He is not arguing about Mass effect 3s ending as much as he is about the industry as a whole.

What I don't get is the "its a slippery slope" argument. Not as in "I disagree", I just don't see the logic in it.

WHY? Why is it a slippery slope? Would it really be so bad for the consumers to have a larger say in the development of the product they buy? What sort of bad stuff could come from caving in and giving the fans what they want? The writers themselves have proven with the ending of ME3 that they simply aren't always right and that they too make mistakes. Writers aren't some sort of uberhuman race that can see into peoples souls and tell them what they want, when they can not do that themselves. Why should their work be beyond criticism that leads to action? In the past it was in the form of new installments, but with the tech available today it is possible to do this in retrospect, so why not use this great opportunity?

If there is a market for a harmless products, why not make it available to people? Fallout 3 did it and the industry didn't blow up. What is the difference this time around?

Despite the dangers, its a great opportunity

[LAMBENT GEAR79]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

anyone who hasnt played ME3s ending yet, or let alone hasnt even played ME1 yet, has absolutely no worth to me.

the article instantly becomes pointless when he says "i havent played ME3 yet."

and more imprtnatnly to me, i dont think a change to ME3 is going to mean anytihg to the gaming community or video games of the future. the changeing of endings hasnt started with ME3. ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE!!

and who the heck is stealing or borrowing ideas from bioware anyways? ive never played a game where the devs thought "lets make this like a bioware game" ive certainly played a bioware game or two where the idea was to copy an alrready existing game. so exactly what developers of the futre care at all about what bioware does or doesnt do?

I am amazed by the accuracy of this guys screen name...

[abaris]

OK, he hasn't played it.

One should stop right there. Because the rest of his diatribe is just arguing the point of the industry.

[MGZER0]

Why is he writing this if he hasn't played ME3 yet?!!! Play ME3, experience the ending the you talk about this

[Volus Warlord]

MGZER0 wrote...

Why is he writing this if he hasn't played ME3 yet?!!! Play ME3, experience the ending the you talk about this

Face it people. Reviewers have degraded into PR contractors for the game publishers. Just ignore them. They are not to be trusted.

[Mad-Max90]

Don't forget Gearbox added a whole new campaign "ending" when fans were let down by the original...so please let's move past the whole "this hasn't been done before"...it has to a number of "artistic visions". I will say Gearbox as developers have moved in and filled the spot where bioware has been since kotor.

[Mad-Max90]

To borderlands...forgot that part...sorry

[BiancoAngelo7]

I don't know if the author is just stupid or just trolling. He frigin opens with "I havent played ME3 yet, not even ME1"

lol wut?

Gtfo, "journalism" my as*

Today everyone with a blog or a website thinks that writing an opinion makes them serious journalists.