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[Accism]

I'm going to put this as politely as I can. Articles like this always appear on B-tier news sites whenever there's a controversy of any kind; whether it's in gaming or anything else. They are not advancing a genuine opinion, they're just trolling for views so more people will visit the site and click their ads. I'm not criticizing them for it, in a way it's a good business decision. But I hope people annoyed by the article understand the context of where it's coming from.

[nikki191]

bioware changed a novel because of customer compliaints, bethesda changed fallout 3's ending because of customer complaints, many movies have alternative endings, sherlock holmes was brought back from the dead.. i dont see what makes this a precedent

[bobito64]

starmine76 wrote...
For those of you who are dismissinghis words because he hasn't seen the ending, you miss the point of the article. This isn't about the ending. This isn't about whether or not the ending was a satisfying conclusion, the point of this article is that if Bioware changes the ending, the implications of their actions would be far reaching, and setting a very dangerous precedent. You dont need to have played the game to realize that.

It sets no precedent at all. Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes but brought him back due to fan outrage, Charles Dickens changed the end of Great Expectations and William Shakespear wrote an alternative ending to King Lear.

I suspect that the argument is academic in any case as I don't believe that the last 15 minutes of the game was ever intended to be the ending. The real ending is yet to come. 

Modifié par bobito64, 23 mars 2012 - 09:50 .

[Blc949]

squirrelnoob wrote...

Just so you all know, a few years from now when companies are purposefully making atrocious endings as the norm and you all again start demanding a better one, and that you'll even pay for it: this is all your fault. The article is 100% correct love it or not, you have no right demanding BioWare change anything. Its their game and story, regardless of what they've stated in interviews or blogs before hand, this is the ending they wanted. Play it and love it or hate it.

This all stems from a generation of people suckling at the teat of indulgence and the idea that everything has to be perfect for them. Soon these same people will go to art galleries demanding a painter change a portrait.

No one has a right to demand a video game company change their games because of a subjective wish for perfection. When BioWare gives in it will be the start of something very ugly and nasty. You sown this and what you reap will be unpleasant.

I blame parents.

If that begins happening they'll be shooting themself in the foot.  Consumers will only take so much.  I can handle this once, maybe twice.  Keeps happening?  I'll bust out the old super nes and go play the classics until things pick up again.  Wouldn't be the first time I've taken a break from current gaming.

[panamakira]

Bethesda offered an alternative to the ending in one of their games and I didn't see the Fallout franchise or their other games take a hit for it.

In fact, the fans seem to love them for it. So that point is kinda moot.

[Joeybsmooth4]

I did not read what he wrote .. But I can say he is wrong.... Really how is this any better than the woman who claimed Mass Effect had graphic pron in it . To talk about something that you have not played is wrong .

[bleetman]

squirrelnoob wrote...

Just so you all know, a few years from now when companies are purposefully making atrocious endings as the norm and you all again start demanding a better one, and that you'll even pay for it: this is all your fault.

By that logic, we should already be in that situation. Y'know, on account of the whole "this has happened before" thing.

Nice try, though.

[Kondorr]

If the author did not play ME, than his opinion is not worth my time...

. you patch when something is broken... the endings are broken... they need to be patched... not "DLC'ed"

There is no way the real endings should cost even a penny...

[Th33x1l3]

panamakira wrote...

Bethesda offered an alternative to the ending in one of their games and I didn't see the Fallout franchise or their other games take a hit for it.

In fact, the fans seem to love them for it. So that point is kinda moot.

Yep, fallout 3 broken steel changed the ending and it even bumped the fallout 3 game score up. It was one of the most sucessfull dlc launched to an game imho.

But there is some differences between the fallout3 endings and me3. First the endings in fallout3 where both:

• logical, as in that they don't broke the lore of the game.
• they gave closure to each faction/character that the player found.
• the actions of the player till then have influence in the final

We can say many things about bethesda games, they are buggy as hell, they have one of the most beautiful landscapes till now, modding them is a breeze (*cough*skyrimsteamworks*cough*), but at least they don't cheat the final users like that.

Modifié par Th33x1l3, 23 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[Kreid]

starmine76 wrote...
For those of you who are dismissinghis words because he hasn't seen the ending, you miss the point of the article. This isn't about the ending. This isn't about whether or not the ending was a satisfying conclusion, the point of this article is that if Bioware changes the ending, the implications of their actions would be far reaching, and setting a very dangerous precedent. You dont need to have played the game to realize that.

So? Don't take this literally, but, do you think revolutions start as revolutions? Things happens because people have a neccesity and make themeselves heard, whether it changes the industry or not will be determined in the future.
We are trying to make BioWare see we are unsattisfied with (a part) of a product we have invested a lot of time and passion in, and it's theri call to either hear us or ignore us, will this set a precedent? Maybe, but that's how it has to be.

Modifié par Creid-X, 23 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Sean]

starmine76 wrote...

Honestly, he has a point. Whether or not the ending does justice to the series is irrelevant next to the greater implications of Bioware's actions.

www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-ending-why-it-vital-future-health-games-bioware-do-not-change-it/ 


EDIT: For those of you who are dismissinghis words because he hasn't seen the ending, you miss the point of the article. This isn't about the ending. This isn't about whether or not the ending was a satisfying conclusion, the point of this article is that if Bioware changes the ending, the implications of their actions would be far reaching, and setting a very dangerous precedent. You dont need to have played the game to realize that.

Fallout 3's ending has been improved with Broken Steel and Bethesda gained some integrity and respect from their fans so it would be in the best interest of Bioware to do it as well.


It isn't about "artistic integrity", "Artistic Integrity" is a cover video game companies use when they don't want to do something. The Mona Lisa has had many revisions after it was first finished, even in old books like Sherlock Holmes, the writer originally had Holmes die but because of his fans not liking that it was then changed.

The words "paid DLC" also destroy artistic integrity since it isn't about art at that point but it is about money.

Modifié par RX_Sean_XI, 23 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[KBomb]

nikki191 wrote...

bioware changed a novel because of customer compliaints, bethesda changed fallout 3's ending because of customer complaints, many movies have alternative endings, sherlock holmes was brought back from the dead.. i dont see what makes this a precedent

You know, I hadn't thought about that. Not that I have much of an opinion on changing the endings, but you bring up a point. I wonder how many people who are opposed to Bioware changing the end of the game for “artistic integrity” but supported change of that novel. I'd be interested in knowing.

[Dridengx]

Good article

[Sean]

Just wanted to point out some hypocrisy by GamesRadar

Just read this...

[Th33x1l3]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

starmine76 wrote...

Honestly, he has a point. Whether or not the ending does justice to the series is irrelevant next to the greater implications of Bioware's actions.

www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-ending-why-it-vital-future-health-games-bioware-do-not-change-it/ 


EDIT: For those of you who are dismissinghis words because he hasn't seen the ending, you miss the point of the article. This isn't about the ending. This isn't about whether or not the ending was a satisfying conclusion, the point of this article is that if Bioware changes the ending, the implications of their actions would be far reaching, and setting a very dangerous precedent. You dont need to have played the game to realize that.

Fallout 3's ending has been improved with Broken Steel and Bethesda gained some integrity and respect from their fans so it would be in the best interest of Bioware to do it as well.


It isn't about "artistic integrity", "Artistic Integrity" is a cover video game companies use when they don't want to do something. The Mona Lisa has had many revisions after it was first finished, even in old books like Sherlock Holmes, the writer originally had Holmes die but because of his fans not liking that it was then changed.

The words "paid DLC" also destroy artistic integrity since it isn't about art at that point but it is about money.

Ditto

[meteng]

Tigerman123 wrote...

Bioware sold out to the consumer base devil

Exactly. And if they weren't already trying to please their audience then who WERE they trying to please? There is nothing wrong with a game developer changing their ways to please their audience.

[Alikan]

Those kinds of sites thrive on dredging controversies to get increased traffic. And they will change their tunes if that leds to more traffic later on. As said above its B-sites and not really worthy of note.

[MissMaster_2]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Stopped reading at this:

I don’t know what the ending of Mass Effect 3 entails, and I don’t care. I haven’t even played Mass Effect 3 yet. Hell, I’m still working through the first one at the moment. But despite that lack of personal contact with and investment in the issue

Same

lol. wow

[corporal doody]

BW shouldnt CHANGE THE ENDINGS.....they need to FIX the ending!!! add in some lines of dialogue that is missing....add in a few more seconds of scenes!!!! it doesnt need to be changed...FIXED!!

[Th33x1l3]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

Just wanted to point out some hypocrisy by GamesRadar

Just read this...

Different authors. But i see what you mean.

[fwc577]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

anyone who hasnt played ME3s ending yet, or let alone hasnt even played ME1 yet, has absolutely no worth to me.

This x 100

Anyone who has an opinion on this but hasn't yet played the series really needs to shut their mouth since they have no idea what they are discussing.

Like ****s, everyone has an opinion and most of them stink.

[Pee Jae]

"We could tell that Fallout 3 was a great game by how annoyed we were by the abrupt ending. We wanted to keep adventuring in its enormous world with the character that we’d come to love, and earn rewards for doing so rather than banging our heads against the level 20 cap. With Broken Steel, Bethesda has squashed that complaint, closed an enormous plot hole in the ending, and reopened the world of Fallout for many, many more hours of glorious super mutant-mulching."

Yeah, they should get this guy to do an article on Mass Effect 3's ending.

[Vilegrim]

Farbautisonn wrote...

I could eat that article but it really isnt worth it. Bottom Line is that the author didnt play the game and has this statement credited to her:

"Fans didn't give up on Star Wars just because of this guy (Photo of Jar Jar Binks)"

Wonder what world she lives in?

yea, there is that.

[Sean]

fwc577 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

anyone who hasnt played ME3s ending yet, or let alone hasnt even played ME1 yet, has absolutely no worth to me.

This x 100

Anyone who has an opinion on this but hasn't yet played the series really needs to shut their mouth since they have no idea what they are discussing.

Like ****s, everyone has an opinion and most of them stink.

I wish you could register ME1, then it would show for everyone.