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[Kondorr]

That is interesting... there is a second opinion review on ME3 on IGN... and suddenly... all of them folks at IGN have issues with the game...

http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1221492p1.html

quite curious!

[j78]

These site’s are just trolling and we take the bait .Every time read one of these ridiculous articles it gets me enraged again .They should be more concerned with journalistic integrity then artistic integrity .

[Phattee Buttz]

BioWare’s writers are the same people who have spent the last five years crafting the stories and universe that made Mass Effect’s fans so attached and passionate in the first place.

Er, no. Only two of the writers from ME2 worked on ME3, and none of the writers from ME1 worked on ME3.

[Ricinator]

 It is Vital to Bioware to change it.

[j78]

Kondorr wrote...

That is interesting... there is a second opinion review on ME3 on IGN... and suddenly... all of them folks at IGN have issues with the game...

http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1221492p1.html

quite curious!

Watch their spoiler cast their flip flopping.

[Adynata]

I don't want it to change, I just want it to finish/ have a denouement. If you get the ending where Shepard takes a breath, then the battle clearly isn't over.

[KBomb]

j78 wrote...


Watch their spoiler cast their flip flopping.

Do you have a link? I wish to fill my belly full of lulz.

[TwistedComplex]

I hope everyone realizes that even if the ending fit ME3, it's still a copy/paste of Deus Ex

They should change it solely out of artistic integrity, not because the fans want it.

[luchozuca]

I read the whole article, punched out some insults on how when i pressed to "next" page button 3 ad pop-ups flooded my screen and then all i can say this:
Objectively he's giving his opinion and i respect that, but the comparisons he's making and his arguments do not go to the real depth of the what the people saw here, i'll go detail-less mode since this is a spoiler free sub-forum, but if you get into how the game seemed to rush to its end during the last mission on Earth leaving details of the own game aside, and then the final moments, i do not really see how this whole ME3 ending thing could cause ill consequences to the game industry.
If anything i would say this will make the developers/distributors actually think before they rush their games into the shelves only to meet launch dates, in my opinion this can be a turning point for the game developer industry, if the lessons derived from this whole controversy are learned.
Because, if you ask me, the fact that Bioware finally agreed to at least revise the ending content and/or the plot holes left on it (they really haven't committed specifically to anything yet) ultimately shows that they saw something was not right with the game, and the people that fought to bring that to their attention is bringing accurate concerns that they can also see and are willing to address.
I do hope the author of that article actually writes something after finishing the three games if he's really even playing them... but it's doubtful since he states clearly at the beginning of the text how he's focusing on the fact of the Bioware move into hearing the players' feedback (which he incorrectly states as "protesting") instead of just saying "this is the game, live with it".

[Hunter of Deathclaws and Tanks]

Fallout 3, anyone?

[PlasmaCannon]

This is one of those games where a players decisions decide the universe. The game isnt a shooter or rts, its a role plying game that is dependant on each different player. The game doesnt have an end, everything is left to speculation along with major plot holes. Its like if return of the jedi ended with the rebels attacking the death star and the credits roll. Wtf happens after the climax of the story is what everyone is complaining about.

[Godeskian]

Since many gaming 'journalists' seem to lack an understanding of the word 'precedent', allow me to quote.

any act, decision, or case that serves as a guide or justification for subsequent situations.

And the implication is that it hasn't happened before. Of course we know that is an outright lie. Fallout 3 did it. Sherlock Holmes did it. Music does it every time a clean and explicit version is created, movies do it with directors cuts. This is NOT a new concept, not in media, not even in gaming.

Modifié par Godeskian, 23 mars 2012 - 11:17 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Same error as the Bioshock guy: he doesn't know the difference between a role playing game and a linear story.

[Icinix]

If the ending made sense, if it fit with lore, if it was not a technical and plot holed mess and it was not marketed incorrectly - the ending should not be changed.

As it did not make sense, as it did not fit with the lore, as it had technical weakness and was filled with plot holes and as it was marketed as something it was not - it should be changed.

The ending as it stands its more damaging to the industry as it fails to maintain a high standard. It literally drops standards out the window with a shrug.

This isn't about a precedent in the industry, it isn't about artistic integrity - its about a company that failed to uphold promises and standards they themselves set and as such severely damaged themselves and the integrity of the industry while bringing to light a huge array of other issues in the gaming sector (journalism in games etc).

The ending should be at the least amended (not necessarily redone or changed) to undo some of the damage it has caused.

[Aesieru]

starmine76 wrote...

Honestly, he has a point. Whether or not the ending does justice to the series is irrelevant next to the greater implications of Bioware's actions.

www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-3-ending-why-it-vital-future-health-games-bioware-do-not-change-it/ 


EDIT: For those of you who are dismissinghis words because he hasn't seen the ending, you miss the point of the article. This isn't about the ending. This isn't about whether or not the ending was a satisfying conclusion, the point of this article is that if Bioware changes the ending, the implications of their actions would be far reaching, and setting a very dangerous precedent. You dont need to have played the game to realize that.

Lol....

So many games, books, movies, and other such "works of art" and commercial products being sold to the public have been changed if necessary. There is no difference other than it means quality control has to be higher and developers have to be better and reviewers have to be more honest.

[Draconis6666]

This argument that continues to be thrown around about "setting a precedent" is rediculous. It's a precedent that has already been set. Fallout 3 did it, its been done in non game media such as books, this would be far from the first time the ending of something was changed due to fan outrage. If anything it sets a positive precedent that the gaming industry still cares about the opinions of its customers and fans and is not just a money hungry corporate entity that doesn't give a crap about the people it sells its products to. The corporate nature of the gaming industry today is the very thing that makes the concept of the Artistic vision argument laughable. If they removed or altered ANYTHING because EA told them it cost too much, or would take too long, then they compromised their artistic vision before they even released the game to please corporate interests. There is nothing wrong with altering your product to better please your customers, and doing so would not be a first, the argument that it be damaging to future games is a slippery slope fallacy anyway.

[me3lol]

KBomb wrote...

Stopped reading at this:

I don’t know what the ending of Mass Effect 3 entails, and I don’t care. I haven’t even played Mass Effect 3 yet. Hell, I’m still working through the first one at the moment. But despite that lack of personal contact with and investment in the issue

[AlexMBrennan]

Will someone tell these hacks what a strawman is and why it's poor form to rely on them exclusively?

[Lawless7225]

All things considered (less than satisfying ending vs that 'popular' theory or whatever it is the Bioware has planned) i could settle for merely an actual explanation. The writer to OP was referring to isn't vested like any of ME's fans are so their opinion which they are entitled to is meaningless.

[Quotheraving]

There is a huge difference between not wanting an ending changed because it will threaten the ability of creative types to freely create and wanting an ending changed because it is shoddy thrird rate dross.
The first holds up only for as long as the creators can demonstrate that their visions are better than the wishes of the masses (aka creative integrity).

The ending to Fallout was changed because it was clearly illogical, as is the current ending to Mass Effect... I see little scope for using the slippery slope fallacy here.

[Godzillla]

the common denominator with opinions like these is that they ususaly havent played through the ending 


this guy hasnt even played me2 yet for christ sake 

[Blc949]

Draconis6666 wrote...

This argument that continues to be thrown around about "setting a precedent" is rediculous. It's a precedent that has already been set. Fallout 3 did it, its been done in non game media such as books, this would be far from the first time the ending of something was changed due to fan outrage. If anything it sets a positive precedent that the gaming industry still cares about the opinions of its customers and fans and is not just a money hungry corporate entity that doesn't give a crap about the people it sells its products to. The corporate nature of the gaming industry today is the very thing that makes the concept of the Artistic vision argument laughable. If they removed or altered ANYTHING because EA told them it cost too much, or would take too long, then they compromised their artistic vision before they even released the game to please corporate interests. There is nothing wrong with altering your product to better please your customers, and doing so would not be a first, the argument that it be damaging to future games is a slippery slope fallacy anyway.

You sir, I think you nailed the counter arguement to artistic integrity in this case.  You can't literally sell out and then argue about artistic integrity.  Well done.

[astheoceansblue]

starmine76 wrote...

EDIT: For those of you who are dismissinghis words because he hasn't seen the ending, you miss the point of the article. This isn't about the ending. This isn't about whether or not the ending was a satisfying conclusion, the point of this article is that if Bioware changes the ending, the implications of their actions would be far reaching, and setting a very dangerous precedent. You dont need to have played the game to realize that.

Ridiculous.

If he hasn't seen the ending he can't possibly judge the situation. 

It's specific.  Bad journalism.

[SpideyKnight]

 None of these people are gamers and thusly their thoughts on the issue is irrelevant.  This guy hasn't heard of Fallout 3.  A huge game, that sold more than 5 million copies, already did this.  Just so you know 5 million copies is almost what ME1 and 2 did COMBINED.  If that game can change it's ending then so can this one.  These people are either extremely new-school(Fallout 3 wasn't that long ago) and I have no interest in listening to toddlers or they don't know the gaming business and again I have no interest in what they say.

[Arsenic Touch]

KBomb wrote...

Stopped reading at this:

I don’t know what the ending of Mass Effect 3 entails, and I don’t care. I haven’t even played Mass Effect 3 yet. Hell, I’m still working through the first one at the moment. But despite that lack of personal contact with and investment in the issue

Going with this. His opinion has absolutely no worth in regards to this.