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[tontoodioso]

anlk92 wrote...

tontoodioso wrote...

I personally absolutely loved the ending(s) and would hate to see them
retconned. I believe that many people didn't like to have to make the
hard choices and wanted a win all and save all scenario. This is
unrealistic and would have made no sense in a galactic war with
machines.

Further elaboration would be welcomed but don't change what is already there.

Read my full explanation on my thoughts here.

No. People didn't like the plot holes, disregard of their choices, sudden shift in themes, out of character actions, lack of closure... If by having to make hard choices you mean being railroaded into genocide, then yes, that's part of the problem.

Elaborate on plot holes. Disregard of choices I can not agree with, your choices shaped the story of the game, I don't get exactly what people wanted. The effects of your choices were not fully explained, they were implied. Thought was mandatory here.

And yes we were railroaded into genocide, I completely agree, but what did you want the happy-go-lucky ending where everyone lives?

[Iwillbeback]

Exolyps wrote...

I stopped reading at "You will have to make hard choices".

I don't have to make any choices at all. I can randomly click all the dialog options and still get the exact same ending. That's NOT what a game that made itself proud of giving you choices that matter should do.

Must be a troll.

[Serp86]

Hans-Erik wrote...

Solduri wrote...

i hate when people say something is unrealistic when talking about FICTION.... idk just seems silly

By "unrealistic", I think the majority of people mean that it is unrealistic for the Mass Effect universe.  It doesn't fit in with established Mass Effect lore at all; it just throws the spirit, themes, and explanations of the previous games out the window.

Of course it would fit . If you put in the maximum effort in the other game you could archive better endings in all 3 games ( at least for your squadmates and the people you get to know ) .

[Bantz]

grats on liking the endings, and also on entirely missing the point of why others don't

[tontoodioso]

Khevan77 wrote...

*facepalm*

Yet another someone who doesn't understand why the endings suck.

I had no expectation of Shepard living past ME3. I would have liked there to be a Shepard lives ending, but I would have been under no illusions that it would have been a paradise ending. Bittersweet would be the best ending I would have wanted.

What we got was an ending that introduced a new character (Starkid), and new concepts with no foreshadowing, and no explanation other than "Ok, you're here, this is what you need to do."

The StarKid completely negates the plot of ME1, since if he's the Citadel and controls the reapers, why would he need Sovereign to open the relay to start the Reaperization of the galaxy? He wouldn't, since he's already a part of the relay he wanted open. Saren? Sovereign? The Conduit? Ilos? COMPLETELY F-ING MEANINGLESS.

Not to mention that the Kid controls the reapers, and he is thus our enemy, the force behind the main antagonists this whole series. Why the F*CK should we listen to him? Why do we have to choose between the choices that he gives us? AND we aren't allowed to tell him he's full of crap, or to argue with him in any meaningful way.

THIS is why the endings suck, not because we didn't get a rainbows and puppies and flowers blooming perfect ending. We got an ending that made no sense at all.

It never explicitly says he is the Citadel, only that it is a part of him. He has control of the Reapers, but that doesn't mean he controls the Citadel.

I agree that the StarKid is the enemy, but what other choice do we have? Follow one of his choices, or watch the Reapers destroy the galaxy.

Modifié par tontoodioso, 23 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Apocsapel91]

Good for you. That's exactly why we want optional DLC. That way, you can keep those endings and we can get ones that actually make sense. Good day sir!

[tontoodioso]

Exolyps wrote...

I stopped reading at "You will have to make hard choices".

I don't have to make any choices at all. I can randomly click all the dialog options and still get the exact same ending. That's NOT what a game that made itself proud of giving you choices that matter should do.

The hard choices I was referring to were the three end options.

[Serp86]

tontoodioso wrote...

Exolyps wrote...

I stopped reading at "You will have to make hard choices".

I don't have to make any choices at all. I can randomly click all the dialog options and still get the exact same ending. That's NOT what a game that made itself proud of giving you choices that matter should do.

The hard choices I was referring to were the three end options.

But those aren't hard choices . There's only 1 viable option to kill that stupid godchild and his Reapers .

Modifié par Serp86, 23 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[Exolyps]

tontoodioso wrote...

Exolyps wrote...

I stopped reading at "You will have to make hard choices".

I don't have to make any choices at all. I can randomly click all the dialog options and still get the exact same ending. That's NOT what a game that made itself proud of giving you choices that matter should do.

The hard choices I was referring to were the three end options.

That's as far as I can tell, only 1 choice. A choice that decides the color of the explosion of your ending.

[tontoodioso]

kofelover wrote...

If I want harsh realism, I look to CNN World News, not my game library.

As has been stated I was referring what would be realistic within the fiction.

[CaptainZaysh]

Khevan77 wrote...

The StarKid completely negates the plot of ME1, since if he's the Citadel and controls the reapers, why would he need Sovereign to open the relay to start the Reaperization of the galaxy? He wouldn't, since he's already a part of the relay he wanted open. Saren? Sovereign? The Conduit? Ilos? COMPLETELY F-ING MEANINGLESS.

C'mon, Khevan, that one's easy: because the Protheans sabotaged the Citadel.  It worked then, it works now.

[tontoodioso]

Exolyps wrote...

tontoodioso wrote...

Exolyps wrote...

I stopped reading at "You will have to make hard choices".

I don't have to make any choices at all. I can randomly click all the dialog options and still get the exact same ending. That's NOT what a game that made itself proud of giving you choices that matter should do.

The hard choices I was referring to were the three end options.

That's as far as I can tell, only 1 choice. A choice that decides the color of the explosion of your ending.

It may be the case that all you see is a different color explosion, but doesn't the explained implication mean anything? Yes they could have been more explicit, but isn't the greatest literature that which is implied, and not explicitly laid out for you?

[Rockpopple]

I disagree with you on the endings, OP, but I respect your opinion, and I'm glad you found them good. And honestly, I'm sickened by the response you've gotten thus far. It's like reason has been thrown out the window.

[DaringMoosejaw]

tontoodioso wrote...

kofelover wrote...

If I want harsh realism, I look to CNN World News, not my game library.

As has been stated I was referring what would be realistic within the fiction.

Well, it's fiction, so I suppose realistic would be whatever the hell it wants, no?

[Carlthestrange]

I'm sure rainbow fans love the ending. I however, do not.

But we are all entitled to our own opinions.

[tontoodioso]

Serp86 wrote...

tontoodioso wrote...

Exolyps wrote...

I stopped reading at "You will have to make hard choices".

I don't have to make any choices at all. I can randomly click all the dialog options and still get the exact same ending. That's NOT what a game that made itself proud of giving you choices that matter should do.

The hard choices I was referring to were the three end options.

But those aren't hard choices . There's only 1 viable option to kill that stupid godchild and his Reapers .

That is true, but not everyone wanted to kill them. I can't imagine that there are no gamers who agreed with the illusive man or thought synthesis was the answer.

[tontoodioso]

Rockpopple wrote...

I disagree with you on the endings, OP, but I respect your opinion, and I'm glad you found them good. And honestly, I'm sickened by the response you've gotten thus far. It's like reason has been thrown out the window.

This is the kind of constructive discussion I had hoped to facilitate, what exactly did you dislike?

[Serp86]

tontoodioso wrote...

Exolyps wrote...

tontoodioso wrote...

Exolyps wrote...

I stopped reading at "You will have to make hard choices".

I don't have to make any choices at all. I can randomly click all the dialog options and still get the exact same ending. That's NOT what a game that made itself proud of giving you choices that matter should do.

The hard choices I was referring to were the three end options.

That's as far as I can tell, only 1 choice. A choice that decides the color of the explosion of your ending.

It may be the case that all you see is a different color explosion, but doesn't the explained implication mean anything? Yes they could have been more explicit, but isn't the greatest literature that which is implied, and not explicitly laid out for you?

No in all honesty they don't .Because i disagreed  with everything the Starchild told me the second he opened his mouth.

[Hans-Erik]

tontoodioso wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I disagree with you on the endings, OP, but I respect your opinion, and I'm glad you found them good. And honestly, I'm sickened by the response you've gotten thus far. It's like reason has been thrown out the window.

This is the kind of constructive discussion I had hoped to facilitate, what exactly did you dislike?

PLEASE READ https://docs.google....review?sle=true 

[tontoodioso]

Apocsapel91 wrote...

Good for you. That's exactly why we want optional DLC. That way, you can keep those endings and we can get ones that actually make sense. Good day sir!

Are you pulling for DLC that elaborates upon or retcons the ending? I am honestly curious which one people want. I am pulling for elaborates upon.

[Texhnolyze101]

tontoodioso wrote...

I personally absolutely loved the ending(s) and would hate to see them  retconned. I believe that many people didn't like to have to make the hard choices and wanted a win all and save all scenario. This is unrealistic and would have made no sense in a galactic war with machines.

Further elaboration would be welcomed but don't change what is already there.

Read my full explanation on my thoughts here.

Edit: I am not a troll, I just appreciate the end as I know many others do, I am happy to hear your opinions and counter-arguments, but simply asserting I am wrong or a troll gets you nothing.

Disgusting.

[Serp86]

tontoodioso wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

tontoodioso wrote...

Exolyps wrote...

I stopped reading at "You will have to make hard choices".

I don't have to make any choices at all. I can randomly click all the dialog options and still get the exact same ending. That's NOT what a game that made itself proud of giving you choices that matter should do.

The hard choices I was referring to were the three end options.

But those aren't hard choices . There's only 1 viable option to kill that stupid godchild and his Reapers .

That is true, but not everyone wanted to kill them. I can't imagine that there are no gamers who agreed with the illusive man or thought synthesis was the answer.

My first playthrough i chose synthesis then saw the BS they produced for an ending out of it . So i reloaded the citadel mission and just killed them out of pure spite.

Modifié par Serp86, 23 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[tontoodioso]

Hans-Erik wrote...

tontoodioso wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I disagree with you on the endings, OP, but I respect your opinion, and I'm glad you found them good. And honestly, I'm sickened by the response you've gotten thus far. It's like reason has been thrown out the window.

This is the kind of constructive discussion I had hoped to facilitate, what exactly did you dislike?

PLEASE READ https://docs.google....review?sle=true 

All right I will look into it right now if it is to facilitate civil discussion, not for unnecessary insults.

[LaraUE]

tontoodioso wrote...

I personally absolutely loved the ending(s) and would hate to see them  retconned. I believe that many people didn't like to have to make the hard choices and wanted a win all and save all scenario. This is unrealistic and would have made no sense in a galactic war with machines.

Further elaboration would be welcomed but don't change what is already there.

Read my full explanation on my thoughts here.

Edit: I am not a troll, I just appreciate the end as I know many others do, I am happy to hear your opinions and counter-arguments, but simply asserting I am wrong or a troll gets you nothing.

I'm thrilled that you liked the ending but we aren't upset because we didn't get the rainbow and ponies ending
I can deal with my Shep dying. Many of us have said this MANY times. We just want some things answered and holes filled in.

[Carlthestrange]

tontoodioso wrote...

Are you pulling for DLC that elaborates upon or retcons the ending? I am honestly curious which one people want. I am pulling for elaborates upon.

I'm all for keeping the current endings. What I would like are other options that provide a personally more satisfying conclusion. No need to remove the original to give the people what they want.