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[clarkusdarkus]

all clarifaction will do is add more depth to why the endings suck big hairy balls, there sitting on there high horse and need to realise what were saying. man there stubborn. I;ll be stubborn then for all there dlc and games from now on. cant believe its come to this, was so looking forward to mass effect 3, never came on this forum before and should be replaying the mass effect series instead but whats the bloody point when all there gonna do is add more crappy cgi to prove they know best, there not interested as its the end of the trilogy and no other mass effect to invest in other than dlc which wont add nothing to the story. gutted is an understatement but im not sad, im just let down and angry by there lack of acknowledgment and obnoxious replys.

[Alamar2078]

@BW: If you deliver an ending DLC that [not just in your opinion] but in the opinion of most people lives up to ALL of the pre-launch statements made, you work hard to put in a variety of outcomes, you make choice count, you do a kick butt epilogue, the endings don't violate prior lore, tone, etc. then you could expect me to pay 20-30$ for the ending I fell like I should have gotten earlier.

A simple clarification / epilogue for the existing endings won't work. BW promised we wouldn't get just "3" endings which is basically what we do get. How is 3 endings equivalent to the many truely divergent endings promised? Once we get to StarChild I don't believe that any single choice we've made prior has any real effect.

I call shennagans on the whole thing.

[mghjr6]

You know I hear a lot of people saying, "It's not about happy endings, it's about the crap endings we have not making sense!" This feels like where they're coming from. They claim they will provide "clarification."

Leave what they have in if they love their diabolus ex machina so much, but add 3 better endings, I say. I'm tired of denying it: call my dopey, but I want one, just ONE, happily ever after ending! Heroic sacrifice is great, but this isn't some Greek tragedy we're talking about.

[Thornquist]

Grasich wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

I will settle for "clarification" & "closure".

Thats what happens when you have realistic expectations.

Why not use fan-fiction for alternate endings? If Bioware created them, they wouldnt be considered cannon in any case (because Bioware clearly has a vision of where they want this franchise to go).

Im sorry but I think alternate endings would still have a bitter taste, because you would all know that what you are playing is fake.

If you cant handle what Bioware gives you, then by all means, stop buying their products.

It's a video game, it's ALL "fake". You can't just say "Well, if a part of a game is just horrible and makes no sense, don't blame the developer, just make it up!". Why bother buying the game in the first place then?

We could just stop buying from Bioware completely, instead we're giving them a chance to earn us back as customers.

Sigh.

My point was that Bioware seems to draw a line. They will not retcon anything. The endings as they are will forever be cemented as the official endings of Mass Effect. They will clearify them, and bring closure, but they wont change them.

If thats the case, I see no point to alternative endings, they will all be fake no matter what. You will see a happy ending with Garrus and Shepard, but the Mass Effect franchise will not consider your ending valid. All future Mass Effect games will treat your ending like it didnt exist.

I guess if you are thinking of stopping completely with buying Mass Effect games after this, then it really dont matter, but that will be counter-productive in what Bioware wants you to do - continue buying their products.

If Bioware has no intention of making Mass Effect games after the end of ME3, then I support you 100%.

But I dont think thats the case.

Modifié par Thornquist, 23 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Jackal7713]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

From the sound of it, I get the feeling that they're going to release what basically amounts as a defense of the ending. I can't 100% say that this will fail, but I think that it will come out as "You guys just don't understand." and serve to anger/alienate people even more.

Agreed. If they think that a DLC that better explains the ending is what the fan base wants then they are really out of touch.

However, if they listen to the their customers and provide what they want then you'll see people helping them to sell more games, dlc, etc.

Its really up to Bioware if they want this game to be great.

[Lady Catastrophe]

I don't understand why they can't just pull a Bethesda and make Broken Steel 2.0. I'd accept that. Hell, I'd pay for it. But clarification of the current ending? No. That's ridiculous.

[UndeadTRex]

Harbinger was more talkative during the finale than Bioware has been.

[mghjr6]

Thornquist wrote...


Sigh.

My point was that Bioware seems to draw a line. They will not retcon anything. The endings as they are will forever be cemented as the official endings of Mass Effect. They will clearify them, and bring closure, but they wont change them.

If thats the case, I see no point to alternative endings, they will all be fake no matter what. You will see a happy ending with Garrus and Shepard, but the Mass Effect franchise will not consider your ending valid. All future Mass Effect games will treat your ending like it didnt exist.

I guess if you are thinking of stopping completely with buying Mass Effect games after this, then it really dont matter, but that will be counter-productive in what Bioware wants you to do - continue buying their products.

If Bioware has no intention of making Mass Effect games after the end of ME3, then I support you 100%.

But I dont think thats the case.

Sigh dramatically if you'd like, I don't buy it. No offense, but that's a lame excuse. By that way of thinking, going back and replaying the first Shepard I played through the game with and, say, doing things differently or playing future DLC would be invalid, because it didn't happen the first time I played it with that character.

Also, saying future games wouldn't consider it valid is equally lame. ME2 had Arrival, Zaeed, Kasumi... All these things were taken into consideration in ME3. So that is no excuse.

Edit: clarification

Modifié par mghjr6, 23 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[Nyila]

And what if this "clarification" supports the indoctrination theory? It'd still keep the ending the way it is, probably just make it longer. Would you refuse a DLC like that?

[savionen]

Thornquist wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

I will settle for "clarification" & "closure".

Thats what happens when you have realistic expectations.

Why not use fan-fiction for alternate endings? If Bioware created them, they wouldnt be considered cannon in any case (because Bioware clearly has a vision of where they want this franchise to go).

Im sorry but I think alternate endings would still have a bitter taste, because you would all know that what you are playing is fake.

If you cant handle what Bioware gives you, then by all means, stop buying their products.

It's a video game, it's ALL "fake". You can't just say "Well, if a part of a game is just horrible and makes no sense, don't blame the developer, just make it up!". Why bother buying the game in the first place then?

We could just stop buying from Bioware completely, instead we're giving them a chance to earn us back as customers.

Sigh.

My point was that Bioware seems to draw a line. They will not retcon anything. The endings as they are will forever be cemented as the official endings of Mass Effect. They will clearify them, and bring closure, but they wont change them.

If thats the case, I see no point to alternative endings, they will all be fake no matter what. You will see a happy ending with Garrus and Shepard, but the Mass Effect franchise will not consider your ending valid. All future Mass Effect games will treat your ending like it didnt exist.

I guess if you are thinking of stopping completely with buying Mass Effect games after this, then it really dont matter, but that will be counter-productive in what Bioware wants you to do - continue buying their products.

If Bioware has no intention of making Mass Effect games after the end of ME3, then I support you 100%.

But I dont think thats the case.

Based upon the whole Stargazer scene I'd imagine if they plan on making a Mass Effect 4 it would be hundreds, or thousands of years later. Assuming they destroyed the relays in all endings, what happens in ME3 wouldn't be relevant at all in ME4, or would be easily rewritten. All 3 endings Reapers are "destroyed." It's open to where Reapers could come back in ME4, or there could be new enemies.

Udina is automatically the councilor in ME3, and it makes enough sense that Anderson would step down even if he was chosen as councilor. You cured the Genophage? The story hundreds or thousands of years later could have Krogan tear eachother apart, or find a cure eventually, regardless.

[Vromrig]

Thread gives hope.

Ideally Bioware listens. Would hate to prefer being shot in the back by Shepard to actually playing Mass Effect.

[mechalynx]

I want the 16 wildly different endings I shelled out 1500 SEK for. That's around 150 US bucks. I did buy 2 copies (PC and XBOX, 'cause XBOX arrived almost a week earlier). And that's not taking into account the copy I got for my bf.

[Simpfan]

Either take what they give you or move on

[Necrotron]

The issue Bioware has to deal with is not just the fact that 'they' love the endings they wrote, but that a select few of their fans did too. So, they have to keep the current ending in some form or another.

However, I fully support optional endings that completely rewrite out the starchild from the script, as having an optional file add-on that 'changes' the ending should not affect the players who like the current ending as stands.

[warrior256]

I'm going to wait and see what April brings. IF clarification means adding in a few deleted scenes and basically saying that we are too stupid to understand the endings then it is back to the line for me to demand something more. If it is something akin to the indoctrination theory (which I personally don't believe in) then fine, i'll accept that and walk away.

[ediskrad327]

of course i won't, if they only offer clarification i'm going to the wiki. i wan't several endings

[Thornquist]

savionen wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

I will settle for "clarification" & "closure".

Thats what happens when you have realistic expectations.

Why not use fan-fiction for alternate endings? If Bioware created them, they wouldnt be considered cannon in any case (because Bioware clearly has a vision of where they want this franchise to go).

Im sorry but I think alternate endings would still have a bitter taste, because you would all know that what you are playing is fake.

If you cant handle what Bioware gives you, then by all means, stop buying their products.

It's a video game, it's ALL "fake". You can't just say "Well, if a part of a game is just horrible and makes no sense, don't blame the developer, just make it up!". Why bother buying the game in the first place then?

We could just stop buying from Bioware completely, instead we're giving them a chance to earn us back as customers.

Sigh.

My point was that Bioware seems to draw a line. They will not retcon anything. The endings as they are will forever be cemented as the official endings of Mass Effect. They will clearify them, and bring closure, but they wont change them.

If thats the case, I see no point to alternative endings, they will all be fake no matter what. You will see a happy ending with Garrus and Shepard, but the Mass Effect franchise will not consider your ending valid. All future Mass Effect games will treat your ending like it didnt exist.

I guess if you are thinking of stopping completely with buying Mass Effect games after this, then it really dont matter, but that will be counter-productive in what Bioware wants you to do - continue buying their products.

If Bioware has no intention of making Mass Effect games after the end of ME3, then I support you 100%.

But I dont think thats the case.

Based upon the whole Stargazer scene I'd imagine if they plan on making a Mass Effect 4 it would be hundreds, or thousands of years later. Assuming they destroyed the relays in all endings, what happens in ME3 wouldn't be relevant at all in ME4, or would be easily rewritten. All 3 endings Reapers are "destroyed." It's open to where Reapers could come back in ME4, or there could be new enemies.

Udina is automatically the councilor in ME3, and it makes enough sense that Anderson would step down even if he was chosen as councilor. You cured the Genophage? The story hundreds or thousands of years later could have Krogan tear eachother apart, or find a cure eventually, regardless.

Well, yeah.. thats my point.
Bioware streamlined the endings for a reason, they simply CANT make all your choices continue after this, I think ME3 proved that showing the ramifications of all your choices are very difficult.

Thats why I think they wont change too much about the ending. The relays gets destroyed in all 3 endings because thats a very integral part of the continuation of the Mass Effect franchise.

If Shepard lives or dies is actually quite irrelevant, if the franchise picks up hundreds if not thousands of years later. Thats why I think Bioware can still create a happy ending out of all this. But the endings as they are now, will still basically be the same.

[kimuji]

I don't want any clarification on how with the "green ending" total assimilation solves a community war that does not exists (synthetics vs organics), I don't want any clarification on why synthetic life would always try/want to exterminate organic life. I don't want any explanation on why IAs and organic life can only coexists if we merge them, which doesn't really mean coexisting by the way since the two become a new entity. Don't explain us why this ending means that different cultures or way of life are an issue that always ends in a full scale war or a genocide.

I don't want any clarification on why the "red ending" means "United we fall, divided we stand", I don't want any justifications on why the sacrifice of a entire race is part of the solution.

I don't want any clarification on why this is the only choices we got  and why nihilism is the begining and the inevitable conclusion to everything.

In short, I'm not waiting after Bioware to find justifications for nihilism. Clarifying all this would just make it worse. Bioware crossed a line I'd never thought they would or could cross, I urge them to come back on the good side and not walk any further on that path.

Retconning what happens after the death of TIM would allow to adress many plot inconsistencies and retake back all that nihilistically tainted dissertation we got for an ending. That is the "full fix".
A "partial" still acceptable fix would be to only add a fourth choice: one allowing Shepard to prove the Starchild and all his nihilistic bull**** wrong, allowing Shepard to tell him that his "calculations" are wrong, his conclusions and postulates are wrong, that his solution was part of the problem and that the 3 new solutions are still part of the problem and won't solve anything. 

I don't want, and I'm sure Bioware doesn't want as well, Mass Effect to be remebered as a game spreading nihilistic and questionnable ideas.

Modifié par kimuji, 23 mars 2012 - 08:29 .

[zarnk567]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

From the sound of it, I get the feeling that they're going to release what basically amounts as a defense of the ending. I can't 100% say that this will fail, but I think that it will come out as "You guys just don't understand." and serve to anger/alienate people even more.

^this^ It's most likley going to be casey hudson narrating over each of the endings explaining "Just what is happening" 

[Seival]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Exactly, we have to ensure that our point is understood. If that means mindlessly bleating the same phrases over and over again, so be it.

We want new content - not the same regurgitated ending with a new coat of paint.

Exactly! We want perfect ending DLC.

Modifié par Seival, 23 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Yes thank you.

The problem is that the out come of these endings doesn't fit the characters we helped create or the story we helped create. Making them longer doesn't change the out come and that is what ruined the series for me.

I am holding the line until I get new endings not longer versions of the ones we have .

Please check out this group and join in.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10317489/1

Thank you for your time.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I've said it before, my problem is with what we see, not with what we don't see. Joker's magical journey, destruction of the relays, cliche grandpa storyteller, Shepard's meek acceptance of these meaningless color choices, the starchild. I don't want these things to be explained to me, I want them gone.

They're like a puzzle piece from the wrong box, no matter how hard you try to shove it in or cut it up to fit, it's not going to finish the picture.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 24 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Hunter_Wolf]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

all clarifaction will do is add more depth to why the endings....

Do you know this for a fact? You got the spread sheet right in front of you and can read verbatim?

[Reptilian Rob]

Silent Rage wrote...

I swear talking to bioware is like talking to a brick wall.

QFT.

[Hunter_Wolf]

Seival wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Exactly, we have to ensure that our point is understood. If that means mindlessly bleating the same phrases over and over again, so be it.

We want new content - not the same regurgitated ending with a new coat of paint.

Exactly! We want perfect ending DLC.

That I can say with 100% accuracy, wont happen. Someone will always find some little tid bit they wont be happy with and start to complain over it so don't get your hopes up. It's better to go into April without investing hope and let it surprise you as opposed to investing hope and being let down.