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[Gordulan]

Right, I've updated the OP with a link to the recording, just in case anyone is interested in seeing it.

[Bourne Endeavor]

I hope they replay the video. I'd like to hear the earlier portion.

[MPSai]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

I love that all three of them sided with the indoctrination theory and claimed gamers were angry because it was too much to grasp.

Yeah, that was a little strange. It felt like the whole 'you guys don't get it' argument, except this time it was because Shepard's 'obviously' indoctrinated. Odd change of pace.

So what the community didn't get the theory they made up themselves? 

[Jackal7713]

They are so just trying to get people they pissed off back to viewing their site.

Its so pathetic, its become humorous

[Anteocitis]

Ville L wrote...

Probably saw their Mass Effect ending change poll and shat their pants when they realised they were insulting majority of their readers.

Nope. No way at all.

All three were acting perfectly legitimate and without prompts, lie signs or anything else.

3 peeps genuinely expressing honest thoughts with no "outside interference".

The "weirdness" is not in their act, it is in the, frankly, bizarre rant yesterday from Moriarty and his claims of there being nobody at IGN who thinks otherwise: clearly, clearly, he was talking total hogwash.

It is just so, so, so bizare. 

[kkndgr]

If you noticed though they still refer to a small portion of fans being upset.O think they now moved to a damage control situation but they also try to keep the balance .

[Vhalkyrie]

In case Origin is tracking the stats, I still kicked Diana Allers off the Normandy. 

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 23 mars 2012 - 08:17 .

[Firecell11]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

In case Origin is tracking the stats, I still kicked Diana Allers off the Normandy. 

same here:lol:

Modifié par Firecell11, 23 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[TheHoneyRuns]

MPSai wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

I love that all three of them sided with the indoctrination theory and claimed gamers were angry because it was too much to grasp.

Yeah, that was a little strange. It felt like the whole 'you guys don't get it' argument, except this time it was because Shepard's 'obviously' indoctrinated. Odd change of pace.

So what the community didn't get the theory they made up themselves? 

Exactly. That's why it's so funny. And yeah, it's still just masked damage control, Fox News Styles. Change tactics, keep the baseline the same. "Them wrong, Us right. We're using their argument? Oh no, we've been saying this all along. Them wrong, Us right."

[mupp3tz]

Anteocitis wrote...

Ville L wrote...

Probably saw their Mass Effect ending change poll and shat their pants when they realised they were insulting majority of their readers.

Nope. No way at all.

All three were acting perfectly legitimate and without prompts, lie signs or anything else.

3 peeps genuinely expressing honest thoughts with no "outside interference".

The "weirdness" is not in their act, it is in the, frankly, bizarre rant yesterday from Moriarty and his claims of there being nobody at IGN who thinks otherwise: clearly, clearly, he was talking total hogwash.

It is just so, so, so bizare. 

Because... *dun dun dun* COLIN MOLIARTY IS THE ONE WHO WROTE THE ME3 REVIEW FOR IGN.  

So, obviously, he has a lot at stake for agreeing with fan concerns.  It's just hilarious.

[CheeseEnchilada]

MPSai wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

TheHoneyRuns wrote...

I love that all three of them sided with the indoctrination theory and claimed gamers were angry because it was too much to grasp.

Yeah, that was a little strange. It felt like the whole 'you guys don't get it' argument, except this time it was because Shepard's 'obviously' indoctrinated. Odd change of pace.

So what the community didn't get the theory they made up themselves? 

Maybe they're not aware that those who have been loudly complaining are aware of it, or perhaps they just worded their comments about the community oddly. All I know is that it looks like they're going to be disappointed if the indoctrination idea isn't used by Bioware or is confirmed fake; they really seem invested.

[Sharn01]

Should I be pleased that they are being reasonable in this, or upset that a week ago they where mocking people who didnt like the ending?

[ColloquialAnachron]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Harthouse wrote...

To basically sum up for those who didn't watch: While it was clear that Miller doesn't like the idea of end changing DLC, it seemed that all three agreed that the endings were so problematic that they have to be properly addressed by Bioware.

The problem here is the two are mutually exclusive.  You can't address the ending without an ending DLC.

  

  Miller basically went in to this.  He actually threw some pretty sharp criticisms at Bioware.  To greatly paraphrase, his opinions were that IF Indoctrination Theory is correct, Bioware should be saying so, if it is not correct, they have to address it. 

   Destin added (I think it was Destin) the tacit criticism that by doing this, Bioware "bread crumbed" (his words) ME3 and put out a technically incomplete game since either the ending made no sense, required explanation, or was always meant to have further explanation via DLC.
  
  Miller's big complaint was that (and it's fairly clear he still very much dislikes us Retakers), even though he liked the ending, he understands how any person invested in the series would be enraged and demand explanation/change.  He doesn't like that demanding, but he seems to have come to (or been made to come to) the conclusion that Bioware would/should have known this would happen with their die-hard fans, and thus either should have been addressed, or written in such a way as to remove such a significant amount of ambiguity.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any of them, I'm just summarising their arguments to the best of my feeble ability.

[Vhalkyrie]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Because... *dun dun dun* COLIN MOLIARTY IS THE ONE WHO WROTE THE ME3 REVIEW FOR IGN.  

So, obviously, he has a lot at stake for agreeing with fan concerns.  It's just hilarious.

Well well well...isn't that interesting.

[pablosplinter]

Gordulan wrote...

Right, I've updated the OP with a link to the recording, just in case anyone is interested in seeing it.

Thank you for this

[Anteocitis]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

In case Origin is tracking the stats, I still kicked Diana Allers off the Normandy. 

I found her character perplexing and unnecessary, Emil Wong or Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani would have made far, far more sense and impact, with far greater relationship to the proceeding games.

Meanwhile Ashley is sleeping on the DECKPLATE and Allers gets a suite bigger than the Captain!

When I discovered she was a shoe-in for an IGN reporter in some sort of back-handed complimentary role…ugh…. seedy goings on.

Modifié par Anteocitis, 23 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[RazorrX]

Did I hear correctly near the end when one of them asked that *if* you take away the indoctrination theory what the endings meant, and they all basically said that there is no way the endings could be anything but indoctrination.

[Vhalkyrie]

Anteocitis wrote...

I found her character perplexing and unnecessary, Emil Wong or Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani would have made far, far more sense and impact, with far greater relationship to the proceeding games.

Agreed.  I actually didn't know Allers was Chobot until recently.  Then I was like...whaaa?

[Gulkin]

This might help our cause. I mean ign and bioware are really close. Maybe they will change the ending even more than just few explanations or maybe they know more than what we think. Even IGN now understand our real problems with the ending so Bioware cannot ignore them anymore. This kinda confirm that we aren't just a few to hate it but a huge majority.

[FemmeShep]

Anyone care to give us a break down of what was said? Can't listen to it right now.

[Theb82]

Anyone wonder if IGN have been told something we dont know yet?

[Montana]

Hmm.
Talk about a U-turn.

They're basically calling the ending crap.

[TheHoneyRuns]

Anteocitis wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

In case Origin is tracking the stats, I still kicked Diana Allers off the Normandy. 

I found her character perplexing and unnecessary, Emil Wong or Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani would have made far, far more sense and impact, with far greater relationship to the proceeding games.

Meanwhile Ashley is sleeping on the DECKPLATE and Allers gets a suite bigger than the Captain!

When I discovered she was a shoe-in for an IGN reporter in some sort of back-handed complimentary role…ugh…. seedy goings on.

No, no, no. Why would we want characters like al-Jilani or Emily Wong who have been in the series from the first game to be on the Normandy when we can instead have a constant reminder of a sleazy backroom deal staining the lower decks of our beloved ship?

Much better to kill off Wong via Twitter, punch al-Jilani in her face because she's emotionally distraught over the fate of her homeworld and saddle up with the low-cut top and puffy chipmunk cheeks! Yay lack of common sense and character dignity!

[ColloquialAnachron]

Theb82 wrote...

Anyone wonder if IGN have been told something we dont know yet?

  I like to believe Jessica Merizan called them, and expressed her displeasure.  Alternatively, they may have been given some other information.

Modifié par Harthouse, 23 mars 2012 - 08:29 .