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[DoctorEss]

Ellen Ripley.

[Tirigon]

Carfax wrote...


It's good to be right

It's hard to deny that discomfort with masculinity DOESN'T have a role to play in answering why some guys prefer to play as females.  Just because you're a guy, doesn't mean that you're always going to relate to, or identify with strong masculine characters.  In truth, some men may find such characters (or people) damn near terrifying.

Most men readily identify with those kind of characters however, which is why they are so popular in the media.

Too bad that FemShep is still manlier than most men I know. So that argument doesnt really cut.

[Carfax]

Tirigon wrote...

Too bad that FemShep is still manlier than most men I know. So that argument doesnt really cut.

Too bad that FemShep is a fictional character.  Do you know any real women like FemShep?

No, I didn't think so.   

[78stonewobble]

Tirigon wrote...

Carfax wrote...


It's good to be right

It's hard to deny that discomfort with masculinity DOESN'T have a role to play in answering why some guys prefer to play as females.  Just because you're a guy, doesn't mean that you're always going to relate to, or identify with strong masculine characters.  In truth, some men may find such characters (or people) damn near terrifying.

Most men readily identify with those kind of characters however, which is why they are so popular in the media.

Too bad that FemShep is still manlier than most men I know. So that argument doesnt really cut.

Well I've been rewatching some of the tv series Emergency Room (E.R.) ... As far as I remember that show kickstarted George Clooney's career as actor and well universal sex symbol. In actuality his character on the show is kind of an ass... *lol*

Well I just got to think of it...

[HighFlyingDwarf]

I'm a misogynist who loves seeing 3d models of females grinding against each other.

[Tirigon]

Carfax wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Too bad that FemShep is still manlier than most men I know. So that argument doesnt really cut.

Too bad that FemShep is a fictional character.  Do you know any real women like FemShep?

No, I didn't think so.   

No but that is more because of a lack in reapers, FTL travel and big guns rather than a lack of strong women.

[Deflagratio]

Tirigon wrote...

Carfax wrote...


It's good to be right

It's hard to deny that discomfort with masculinity DOESN'T have a role to play in answering why some guys prefer to play as females.  Just because you're a guy, doesn't mean that you're always going to relate to, or identify with strong masculine characters.  In truth, some men may find such characters (or people) damn near terrifying.

Most men readily identify with those kind of characters however, which is why they are so popular in the media.

Too bad that FemShep is still manlier than most men I know. So that argument doesnt really cut.

This problem is mitigated somewhat with the Garrus LI. The only person in the galaxy of a sufficient badassery rating to make femshep seem like the feminine one of a heterosexual relationship.

[Arthorius]

Coz' we all have a bromance with Garrus. And the man deserves some lovin'

[Tirigon]

Deflagratio wrote...

This problem is mitigated somewhat with the Garrus LI. The only person in the galaxy of a sufficient badassery rating to make femshep seem like the feminine one of a heterosexual relationship.

Of course. Garrus is freaking awesome. But not the only one, Wrex and Grunt would have handled as well. They are awesome (but Wrex even more than Grunt).

[Mylia Stenetch]

Cause I am old enough, and mature enough with my own sexuality that it does not phase me which sex I play in a game?

I played a femshep and a boyshep. Hell during my MMO times I have roughly a 50/50 split on characters sexes. It all comes down to what story or idea I have in my head. Also I feel Jennifer Hale, does a stronger role as Shepard with more emotion, than Mark Meer.

But it doesn't matter though cause people through the lame excuse of looking at one's arse all day why they do that.

[Carfax]

Tirigon wrote...
No but that is more because of a lack in reapers, FTL travel and big guns rather than a lack of strong women.

Where's the obligatory,"Ah yes, the reapers" meme when you need it?

The world doesn't lack for strong women, but women like FemShep are a complete fantasy that only exist in the minds of nerds. 

[HighFlyingDwarf]

Arthorius wrote...

Coz' we all have a bromance with Garrus. And the man deserves some lovin'

Also this.

[Tirigon]

Carfax wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
No but that is more because of a lack in reapers, FTL travel and big guns rather than a lack of strong women.

Where's the obligatory,"Ah yes, the reapers" meme when you need it?

The world doesn't lack for strong women, but women like FemShep are a complete fantasy that only exist in the minds of nerds. 

But so are Reapers and FTL travel.

And at least the latter is definitely sad.

[DoctorEss]

Carfax wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
No but that is more because of a lack in reapers, FTL travel and big guns rather than a lack of strong women.

Where's the obligatory,"Ah yes, the reapers" meme when you need it?

The world doesn't lack for strong women, but women like FemShep are a complete fantasy that only exist in the minds of nerds. 

Uh..huh. 

Anyway.

The point is, in the world of sci-fi (which this is), be it games or movies, how often is an archetype fitting femShep used?

I challenge you to find one besides Ellen Ripley.  That's the only one I can think of, that femShep is even close to the archetype of.  The rest fall more towards more generic female character stereotypes, such as eyecandy/bimbo/damsel in distress/strong right up until she meets the male lead/etc.

[Tirigon]

DoctorEss wrote...

I challenge you to find one besides Ellen Ripley.  That's the only one I can think of, that femShep is even close to the archetype of.  The rest fall more towards more generic female character stereotypes, such as eyecandy/bimbo/damsel in distress/strong right up until she meets the male lead/etc.

That applies to FemShep as well. She could not have done it without Garrus lifting her up.

On another note, this scene is even better without romancing Garrus. And where do you get the awesome hoodie she's wearin?!

[Ninjatroll]

ncknck wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Sashimi taco, let me understand this correctly. There are guys who actually want to play as femshep and rather than be happy about that, you decide to attack them as homophobes for it? Really?

Wow.

Eh, you guys. Its not about playing a femshep. Its about playing something different than a generic male soldier. I dont really care what, but a generic male soldier class bores me to death instantly. Too bad ME doesnt allow alien playable characters.

Actually, this is a big reason why i (almost) never play as a male human hero in any rpg. It's not only the male space marine thats done to death, It's the male hero overall. When i play dwarves, halflings and other significantly different races then the gender does not matter that much to ,I can go either way, but when i pick a human (or elf) then i almost always pick a female.


And when we are on the subject of alien playable races, is it to much to hope for to get a tactical RPG in the ME universe that give the choice to make a protagonist of any gender/race? Yes probably...

[Any_ILL]

For me it's not really that I play femshep but rather that I don't play maleshep.

For the second part, it's easy. Maleshep doesn't feel like a hero to me. I think he sounds ridiculous. Generally speaking I find most male hero in video game sounding stupid when female doesn't. I suppose it's cultural, I have a hard time imagining a guy being a hero while I have no problem with an heroin.

Of course it all depends of the character, when the character is correctly developed I like a male hero as much as the other guy (I absolutely love Geralt de Riv by example) but there is not one bioware game where I can seriously imagine me playing a male char (edit: that's not entirely true. I play SW:ToR and amongst my 8 character, my warrior sith and my smuggler are male because they are less conventionnal hero, the other 6 are female). The character is always somewhat "generic" and a male never fits right the role.

"I challenge you to find one besides Ellen Ripley" Starbuck? She kicks ass. And Ripley is f****** awesome that's true.

Modifié par Any_ILL, 27 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[DoctorEss]

Tirigon wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

I challenge you to find one besides Ellen Ripley.  That's the only one I can think of, that femShep is even close to the archetype of.  The rest fall more towards more generic female character stereotypes, such as eyecandy/bimbo/damsel in distress/strong right up until she meets the male lead/etc.

That applies to FemShep as well. She could not have done it without Garrus lifting her up.

On another note, this scene is even better without romancing Garrus. And where do you get the awesome hoodie she's wearin?!

Nah, having a human or vulnerable side is fine.  I'm talking about the kind of character that basically goes from being a total badass, to crumbling into a weak willed little blob, that relies on the male lead.  Showing humanity is one thing, losing your edge is another.

Hell, the deleted (reinserted) scene in the director's cut of Aliens is one of my "still a better love story than twilight" meme moments.  Doesn't make Ripley weak.  Makes her human, even more believable.

[Relshar]

I usualy play females in RPG's yet i am a male in RL. No particular reason other than it seems 90% of gamers pick male characters and I just wish to play it a bit differently.
Same goes for MMO's and I do get asked by other players how I can relate to a female character. I just find it easier thats all, as I know who I am in rl and am happy with it.

I also like to wind up the would be trolls in MMO's who have homophobic symptons. It has brought a few hours of laughter within my corp in Eve Online as we mine ice.

[78stonewobble]

DoctorEss wrote...

Uh..huh. 

Anyway.

The point is, in the world of sci-fi (which this is), be it games or movies, how often is an archetype fitting femShep used?

I challenge you to find one besides Ellen Ripley.  That's the only one I can think of, that femShep is even close to the archetype of.  The rest fall more towards more generic female character stereotypes, such as eyecandy/bimbo/damsel in distress/strong right up until she meets the male lead/etc.

Well if you've got your eyes on someone I kinda assume it's natural to develop a soft spot for that person. Though I agree it's often overly done in eg. movies.

EDIT: Nvm. I misunderstood your post.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 27 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Relshar]

DoctorEss wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

I challenge you to find one besides Ellen Ripley.  That's the only one I can think of, that femShep is even close to the archetype of.  The rest fall more towards more generic female character stereotypes, such as eyecandy/bimbo/damsel in distress/strong right up until she meets the male lead/etc.

That applies to FemShep as well. She could not have done it without Garrus lifting her up.

On another note, this scene is even better without romancing Garrus. And where do you get the awesome hoodie she's wearin?!

Nah, having a human or vulnerable side is fine.  I'm talking about the kind of character that basically goes from being a total badass, to crumbling into a weak willed little blob, that relies on the male lead.  Showing humanity is one thing, losing your edge is another.

Hell, the deleted (reinserted) scene in the director's cut of Aliens is one of my "still a better love story than twilight" meme moments.  Doesn't make Ripley weak.  Makes her human, even more believable.

I also like Alice from the Resident Evil films.

[DoctorEss]

Relshar wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

I challenge you to find one besides Ellen Ripley.  That's the only one I can think of, that femShep is even close to the archetype of.  The rest fall more towards more generic female character stereotypes, such as eyecandy/bimbo/damsel in distress/strong right up until she meets the male lead/etc.

That applies to FemShep as well. She could not have done it without Garrus lifting her up.

On another note, this scene is even better without romancing Garrus. And where do you get the awesome hoodie she's wearin?!

Nah, having a human or vulnerable side is fine.  I'm talking about the kind of character that basically goes from being a total badass, to crumbling into a weak willed little blob, that relies on the male lead.  Showing humanity is one thing, losing your edge is another.

Hell, the deleted (reinserted) scene in the director's cut of Aliens is one of my "still a better love story than twilight" meme moments.  Doesn't make Ripley weak.  Makes her human, even more believable.

I also like Alice from the Resident Evil films.

Alice is bad writing.  She falls under "writer's pet", or in this case, director's pet.  Given that she and the director are an item, her character is too much without flaw.  Mary Sue type.

That, and those movies are so very beyond awful, and such an insult to the source material.  

[Haiyato]

Tirigon wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

I challenge you to find one besides Ellen Ripley.  That's the only one I can think of, that femShep is even close to the archetype of.  The rest fall more towards more generic female character stereotypes, such as eyecandy/bimbo/damsel in distress/strong right up until she meets the male lead/etc.

That applies to FemShep as well. She could not have done it without Garrus lifting her up.

On another note, this scene is even better without romancing Garrus. And where do you get the awesome hoodie she's wearin?!

CE content.

[pharsti]

Because shes awesome?

And mostly, because, you know, Ms. Hale is the only voice i can recognize as Commander Shepard, shes so much better than Meer that i struggle to play with a Male Shepard.

Please do keep in mind, that, is opinion friends, and that, is mine.

[kamikazekeeg]

Alot of it sometimes is just wanting a change of pace. Do you want to stare at a guys backside for the game or a females? Also I'm of the crowd that likes FemSheps voice actor more. Something about the performance of MaleShep that bugs me and it was only in certain aspects of ME3 did I think he was even doing a good job. For being what has to be the most charismatic man in the galaxy, it doesn't show with his voice. FemShep, while not significantly better, just seems abit better in that way to me.

I still primarily play as MaleShep, but if I'm gonna have to suffer through a three game playthrough as MaleShep, I might have to reconsider and see about changing it to FemShep perhaps...