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[Iyerbeth]

I don't know the backlash would be so huge if they screw up this second attempt. So far they're being held to a high standard, because we all believe they're capable of it. If they're not I think they'll just lose fans and customers. As for me, until I see otherwise, I'm still backing them getting it right because I so want them to.

[Lozark]

I really, really hope that they understand that we are giving them a huge second chance and if they blow it? A decent amount of their fans will be gone forever.

It's rare to get a second chance to appease people for something like this, so I really hope they make the most of it and rewrite the ending from the ground up to not be stupid.

[Erixxxx]

Murkman4683 wrote...

I love a little good ole' doomsaying. I am actually starting a petition against Bioware, yeah, they ruined charities for me. It is because of ME3, the troll group known as RETAKE was created and this group then abused a charity to further their own cause. Thanks a lot Bioware, you created RETAKE and now I cannot be happy.

Also, DLC sales will be fine, just as long as you package a MP map pack, sales will be through the roof.

I don't doubt the future DLC sales either, no matter what Bioware do now. There's plenty of people NOT on the forums who have their own opinions on the game.

[FirstBlood XL]

If Shepard's conversation with the Star Brat isn't a result of indoctrination... its still just lazy Deus Ex Machina, and a horrible note to end the series on.... no matter how many of the other plot-holes they fill-in.

[MattFini]

If you look at the sticky thread up top, an overwhelming majority of people are asking for the StarChild to be removed entirely.

It contradicts the rest of the series, wreaks of awful writing and actually breaks the game.

If they're going to defend that, and still force Shepard to choose one of those gimped choices, then they're going to be mighty surprised when the fans flip their sh!t.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

GorrilaKing wrote...

The fans no longer matter. EA's shareholders do.

Why is everybody blaming EA for this anyway? BioWare delivered this horrible ending, it was solely their decision to create it the way it is. So, as unsympathetic as EA may be, THIS is definately NOT their fault.

[ericjdev]

They've clearly stated they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. If you are going to riot if Starchild is still in it you might as well riot now and get it over with.

[TomY90]

I agree there will probably be another backlash but no way will it be as severe because it would have addressed the key issues which was the plot holes and the lack of closure.

the closure part will if done correctly will reduce the sad feeling the ending has currently has because of it showing what happened to everyone and hint at what happens next in the series (if at all)

[vometia]

Sublime82 wrote...

I have a feeling that Mass Effect is just going to go down in infamy as an example of how NOT to write an ending.

It does feel a bit like history in the making.

[CronoDragoon]

New endings or gtfo. Will pay for them, don't care.

[Grasich]

I'll be honest. I don't see another backlash, at least not in the sense of people protesting. I foresee a lot of people just saying "To hell with this." and giving up.

That's bad. Not just for us, but for BioWare as well. The last thing you want as a company is for your fans and customers to give up on you and walk away.

[Jamie9]

cchudoba002 wrote...

There is literally nothing that they can do that won't cause a backlash. They are basically in damage control mode now. I honestly feel bad for them.

Hopefully I can get an answer from you! Why do you feel bad for them? This isn't baiting, I'm serious. I want to understand why. Do you feel bad for the company as a whole or the people that comprise it? The mods or the devs? Or both?

[Sawtooth357]

It seems to me that anything that keeps the star child is going to cause backlash. I really can't think of any way to clarify that unfortunate entity and his misguided endings that sound satisfying.

[streamlock]

There is no way to fix this mess and make even 50% of people happy. Bioware really backed themselves into it with this one.

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

And you know what? At this point I don't care what they do. Not with the DLC, or anything with the series. I just don't give a **** anymore.

And I think that insult is worse then any false praise or raging hatred I can give. I just don't give a rats arse what they do anymore. Screw it.

[proffrink]

Tazzmission wrote...

funny seeing people have stated closure is what they wanted

also op the bsn will rage about anything honestly because its the only thing they ever do sadly

im fine with the endings as is and if bioware wants to tie up lose ends hey great more story for me

and if they dont again fine i have an imagination and it wouldnt change how i love the game and franchise

What we mean by "closure" is closure to the whole Reaper problem, not one of the 3 choices that we have to pick at the end. The current A, B, C basically just keeps the Reapers, destroys everything or does some space-magic with DNA. None of them make sense, so closure on any of them is utterly futile.

What I think most of us want is a whole new ending. Everything after the moment you're running towards the blue tractor beam thingy should be wiped in my opinion.

We understand this is un-realistic in real terms though. Bioware won't admit such a huge fault, and someone is bound to sue EA for something or other because they've "not completed the game" - *sigh* - for this reason, I think that most of us would also accept maybe an option D in which no stupid bs happens.

[MerchantGOL]

by this time next month your petty complaints will be completely forgotten forgotten

[paynesgrey]

Erixxxx wrote...

paynesgrey wrote...

Clarification: Explaining to my date that I'm banging her sister because I like her better.

Closure: Slamming the car door on her fingers.

Neither makes a bad date into a good date.

I need to stop reading when I drink, now there's water all over my keyboard.

All part of the service.

Seriously though.. I forsee efforts to explain to us why we really should like the ending, as though someone who doesn't like the endings is maybe just a little thick in the head or they'd see the brilliance and wonder. 

The problem isn't that we don't understand the ending.  It's that we do understand it, all to well.

As for closure, I suppose they could give us content showing our friends starving and dying off, isolated and alone.  "Closure" is an opportunity to say goodbye, to understand that something's gone forever.  The ending of the game did provide closure in that sense, pretty much slamming the universe shut on everyone and all.  So it's not that we don't understand that our surviving friends are dead, dying, and generally screwed.

It's that none of our choices meant a damn thing to the ending except maybe in regards to who died well before the ending even started.  Which makes them events that, by definition of "ending" aren't part of the ending.

[Madecologist]

To be fair, you would be suprised what elbow grease can do. A lot can get explained with just a bit of effort. I mean a lot. Clarification is a broad term and doesn't mean merely giving simple answers. It can be fully added scene that adds motivation and sequence to a series of events. Also, closer can mean much more.

That said, I fully expect a lot of people to still be dissatisfied, because they complaints stem from things that are far beyond just missing gaps or a lack of closure. Which frankly is understandable. The second thing, to execute the 'optimistic' scenario I sort of listed will take a lot of elbow grease, and I mean a lot and there is a fair chance it might not pull it off either.

However it is hard to judge something that is not out yet. We need to wait and see. That said even if successful, there are going to be many that are still upset because the problem was deeper than just a 'rushed' end.

Modifié par Madecologist, 23 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[KainrycKarr]

GorrilaKing wrote...

The fans no longer matter. EA's shareholders do.

EA's shareholders are the only reason we're getting this. All those Forbes articles?

It also explains why something is being done, but not what as asked for.

The shareholders saw the ****storm, said "fix it NOW" but didn't bother checking what the problem was, only that there was a problem.

[Mesmurae]

streamlock wrote...

There is no way to fix this mess and make even 50% of people happy. Bioware really backed themselves into it with this one.

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

And you know what? At this point I don't care what they do. Not with the DLC, or anything with the series. I just don't give a **** anymore.

And I think that insult is worse then any false praise or raging hatred I can give. I just don't give a rats arse what they do anymore. Screw it.

Sad as it may be, I'm kind of on your side.

Bioware has ruined the trust I had for them. I forgave them for DA2 and SWTOR, but this is the final straw.

Years down the line, I'll look back at Mass Effect and say "That was a great series. Too bad they never made a third game."

[TransientNomad]

Here's the facts, if Bioware changes the ending... no scratch that, ADDs endings while keeping the originals intact, everyone will be happy. Pro-enders get to keep their endings, Retake gets our new endings, and Bioware/EA gets to sell a crap ton of DLC content. If they don't, they ruin their image with tens of thousands of their core fans, their name gets dragged even more through the mud, and lose out on long term sales.

[Erixxxx]

Jamie9 wrote...

cchudoba002 wrote...

There is literally nothing that they can do that won't cause a backlash. They are basically in damage control mode now. I honestly feel bad for them.

Hopefully I can get an answer from you! Why do you feel bad for them? This isn't baiting, I'm serious. I want to understand why. Do you feel bad for the company as a whole or the people that comprise it? The mods or the devs? Or both?

They made a product, poured their hearts, souls, and time into it. And what did they get in return? Death threats, hate, public ridicule, and a FTC complaint.

[calvinocious]

Look, if I don't get my 16 DIFFERENT endings, I don't give a crap what DLC they put out. I'm still gonna be pissed. I want what I was promised.

[Taboo]

TransientNomad wrote...

Here's the facts, if Bioware changes the ending... no scratch that, ADDs endings while keeping the originals intact, everyone will be happy. Pro-enders get to keep their endings, Retake gets our new endings, and Bioware/EA gets to sell a crap ton of DLC content. If they don't, they ruin their image with tens of thousands of their core fans, their name gets dragged even more through the mud, and lose out on long term sales.

This.

[Mesmurae]

Erixxxx wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

cchudoba002 wrote...

There is literally nothing that they can do that won't cause a backlash. They are basically in damage control mode now. I honestly feel bad for them.

Hopefully I can get an answer from you! Why do you feel bad for them? This isn't baiting, I'm serious. I want to understand why. Do you feel bad for the company as a whole or the people that comprise it? The mods or the devs? Or both?

They made a product, poured their hearts, souls, and time into it. And what did they get in return? Death threats, hate, public ridicule, and a FTC complaint.

I've stopped believing Bioware actually cared about what they were creating. It's all about deadlines and profits for them.