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[SamFlagg]

Sawtooth357 wrote...

It seems to me that anything that keeps the star child is going to cause backlash. I really can't think of any way to clarify that unfortunate entity and his misguided endings that sound satisfying.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10349127/1#10349763

Retcon the choices given to us in the first place.

Personally I'm willing to wait and see what happens here.

I also agree that, while there will be some backlash, it is more likely that if the changes to the ending are as minorly cosmetic as people fear, then it will just be an exodus of people giving up on a company who gave up on them.

I still think both parties can avoid this fate.  But the ball is in bioware's court.  What they choose to do with it is up to them.

I do sincerely hope that our suggestions have been taken to heart, and they address both issues of plot holes and the fact that all endings are functionally the same.

If they don't, I think the majority of us won't be angry any more.  Just disappointed that what had been a good cooperative partnership through the years has to end like this.

[Erixxxx]

KainrycKarr wrote...

GorrilaKing wrote...

The fans no longer matter. EA's shareholders do.

EA's shareholders are the only reason we're getting this. All those Forbes articles?

It also explains why something is being done, but not what as asked for.

The shareholders saw the ****storm, said "fix it NOW" but didn't bother checking what the problem was, only that there was a problem.

It was asked for. Perhaps not from you, but a ton of fans did ask for clarification instead of total rewrite. And that is why we're gonna hae a second backlash. Because the people supporting the Retake movement support it for a ton of different reasons.

[Huskeonkel]

Hicks233 wrote...

I'd be happy if they said -

Woopsadaisies! We didn't realise this was going to be so hated. We've heard the feedback, it's going to take some time but we'll look at a way of making an extension that continues on from the Indoc theory. From that point on your EMS and previous actions will dictate how you do in a final showdown. This is all going to take some time to plan and make so please bear with us. We hope to cover a reasonably broad range of potential outcomes from total success to utter failure. While it might not be possible to fulfil everyone’s perfect outcome we hope this will provide a satisfying conclusion to the game, its story and the trilogy as a whole. We do however ask that personal attacks on the development team from a minority of individuals cease. Please be patient.

Yeah, that'd make me happy.

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[Drxx]

Moar  , can't wait until april.

[Yubz]

calvinocious wrote...

Look, if I don't get my 16 DIFFERENT endings, I don't give a crap what DLC they put out. I'm still gonna be pissed. I want what I was promised.

Not sure if serious but I'd be happy with just ONE ending that isn't completely ridiculous.

[Grasich]

Huskeonkel wrote...

Hicks233 wrote...

I'd be happy if they said -

Woopsadaisies! We didn't realise this was going to be so hated. We've heard the feedback, it's going to take some time but we'll look at a way of making an extension that continues on from the Indoc theory. From that point on your EMS and previous actions will dictate how you do in a final showdown. This is all going to take some time to plan and make so please bear with us. We hope to cover a reasonably broad range of potential outcomes from total success to utter failure. While it might not be possible to fulfil everyone’s perfect outcome we hope this will provide a satisfying conclusion to the game, its story and the trilogy as a whole. We do however ask that personal attacks on the development team from a minority of individuals cease. Please be patient.

Yeah, that'd make me happy.

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[Jamie9]

Erixxxx wrote...
They made a product, poured their hearts, souls, and time into it. And what did they get in return? Death threats, hate, public ridicule, and a FTC complaint.

Well, the death threats and hate are very much uncalled for. Public ridicule results from poor quality, and the FTC complaint was well within that person's rights.

I agree that the people of BioWare did love this product. But something, or somethings, did go wrong in that process. We got blatant lies from PR, and the devs must have known this. So what held them back?

The Tali picture is not something that would be done by someone who loved that character. Although I admit, it was a very difficult situation to resolve, what they did was the worst they could have done when actually showing the face.

Someone, one of the teams at BioWare, dropped the ball.

[CrasVox]

I admit, that Bioware is going to walk a dangerous road here, but that does not mean it shouldn't walk it. In fact, it has to try. If that don't, the end result will be just as bad.

If they go and release ANYTHING that deals with the ending, it has to get it right. Period. It can't be a piecemeal thing, it has to address it, all in one package, and the package must merit a positive, or rather an overwhelming positive, response.

If they release ending DLC and it is underwhelming, or it fails, and it is clear the Bioware either ignored the real point of contention, or flat out got it wrong again, then the outlast against them may far outshine anything we have see thus far.

They have to get it right. And I am not sure what that means right now. It needs to be comprehensive, it needs to be substantial, and it needs to be build from the concerns that have been raised clearly on these boards.

With that said, and that being considered, a simple epilogue and few scenes of exposition probably will not fit the bill, and will fall short of what people are expecting to be in a DLC package.

But Bioware can make it easy on themselves. They can always simply ask what is expected of an ending package. They need not just guess. The only requirement of them, is that they get it right. And if they get it right, and they hit it out of the park, this situation can easily go from being the darkest hour of their career, to the brightest and finest hour in the history of gaming. It will be something people will talk about for years and years to come.

"Tell me another story about the games you played when you were young."
"Did I ever tell you the story of Mass Effect 3? No? Okay, one more story"

[Unit-Alpha]

Gonna be worse this time around, I predict.

Gonna be a lot more people disregarding the rules and aiming for a ban by attacking the hell out of Bioware and their writers.

Not gonna be pretty.

And it will be the end of Bioware's hardcore fanbase. Period.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 23 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[dointime85]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

GorrilaKing wrote...

The fans no longer matter. EA's shareholders do.

Why is everybody blaming EA for this anyway? BioWare delivered this horrible ending, it was solely their decision to create it the way it is. So, as unsympathetic as EA may be, THIS is definately NOT their fault.

I agree. I believe some of us where right when we blamed EA for the rushjob / quick cash cow called Dragon Age 2 but here I don't think EA's profit interests are to blame. I mean, sure, you could argue with deadlines with reference to the final hours app, but I'm not even sure the information in them is accurate, as the ending was already in the leaked scripts in November.

Well, we'll see. I don't believe all ideas they had for the ending were bad, even if they were badly executed. An improvement in this department probably wouldn't give me the ending I want, but if it makes the ending better, I'll take it. Let's wait and see.

[GoddessLunatic]

I just don't understand what is so hard about creating an ALTERNATE goddamn ending. Let them keep their ending if they like it, but please, please, please just give us the opportunity to have something else if WE like it. We have been along for this whole journey. To cut a huge chunk of us out at the end is just so cruel and unfair.

[ImmovableMover]

Bioware,

Your ending is the equivalent to 1+1=3

Expanding on 1+1=3, explaining all your faulty maths, going into (probably) patronizing lengths to show us every stage of your calculations from one fault to the next, does not stop 1+1=3 being WRONG.

I've yet to see a single goddamn person on this forum say that the ending you have already provided us with was just too darned complicated! Beyond the analysis of mere-mortals without a parental hand to help us join the dots. Granted, I've seen pro-ending people simply state "You didn't get the ending because you're too stupid", but they never follow that up with an actual explanation. The few that have tried to explain the ending as-is have failed to offer a compelling explanation that solves the fatal flaws.

Frankly, Bioware, It's starting to become insultingly obvious that you're not listening to us. How many polls must exist before you will acknowledge that non-indoctrination theory expansions on the ending (Ie "The endings were literal, you must have just not understood them" explanations) are the least desired change? I'm pretty sure that there are more people who'd rather the endings not be changed or expanded on at all than there are people who want a lecture. How many times must people post their criticisms of the ending before you acknowledge that "They were just confused/It was all too complex for them" is NOT the main problems people have found with it?

Seriously, I get the impression that you guys are sitting reading these threads full of criticism thinking "They don't like the ending? They clearly just didn't understand our genius, that's the only possible explanation".

Simply slapping some exposition into the endings will not do. Not at all. If it at all looks anything like this when it's released...

"*Screenshot of garrus* Garrus "The Reach" Vakarian had a happy life with Tali.
*Screenshot of Tali* Tali and the rest of the Quarian Flotilla made the slow journey back to rannoch
*Screenshot of Liara* Liara popped out some blue kids.
*Screenshot of Shepard* Shepard survived the explosion of the citadel, only to die of dehydration 3 days later buried in rubble
*Screenshot of the galaxy map* The rest of races couldn't be bothered with galactic travel any more, so they took their balls and went home in time for tea!
The End
£9.99 has been charged from your account"

...then you're, unsurprisingly, going to find none of your fans call themselves fans anymore.

If you can't do it right, Don't do it.

Modifié par ImmovableMover, 23 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[Erixxxx]

Mesmurae wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

cchudoba002 wrote...

There is literally nothing that they can do that won't cause a backlash. They are basically in damage control mode now. I honestly feel bad for them.

Hopefully I can get an answer from you! Why do you feel bad for them? This isn't baiting, I'm serious. I want to understand why. Do you feel bad for the company as a whole or the people that comprise it? The mods or the devs? Or both?

They made a product, poured their hearts, souls, and time into it. And what did they get in return? Death threats, hate, public ridicule, and a FTC complaint.

I've stopped believing Bioware actually cared about what they were creating. It's all about deadlines and profits for them.

And that is why I'm a firm believer that they shouldn't do anything at all. Because people like you don't care about what they think. This is a lost cause already. I'd rather have them focus on whatever they're going to do next with the ME franchise. Take the lessons from this game, but simply move on to the next and make sure they actually guage the audience right for that one. Because this game has really missed it's target audience.

[SamFlagg]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Gonna be worse this time around, I predict.

Gonna be a lot more people disregarding the rules and aiming for a ban by attacking the hell out of Bioware and their writers.

Not gonna be pretty.

I could see that happening if for no other reason than it being the point where anyone who had been civil at all just throws in the towel and walks away from the franchise.

[MassEffecter132]

F**K it. Bioware you failed me

[Alamar2078]

If BW only puts a coat of paint on the existing endings I agree they'll be another backlash but it won't be as severe. More than just a couple of people that I see saying they "hate" the endings are saying that they'd be kind of OK with this / they are glad we got this much / they give up / etc.

If we don't stand firm now and make it clear that this isn't good enough then it really will be too late.

[jspiess]

By in April, I really hope BW means next friday at Pax

[RevenantWolf]

Like some others have said, the backlash will not be nearly as bad, but Bioware will lose most of its hardcore fanbase, and most likely take a financial hit.

[Azrael08151819]

If Bioware really wont change this disgusting abomination of an ending they will be totally crushed by fans. Every big customer who loved the series and is humiliated by this will stop buying bioware games and dlc in the future and will be lost as an advertiser. Fame gone, Integrity gone, evil intentions revealed (EA)...

Once apon a time there was a great company that made the greatest games of all times, then they slowly got currupted by evil until everything they once stood for was wiped out.

If Bioware wont change this in something good they wont only betray the artistic integrity of the whole Mass Effect story but also their own.

[Unit-Alpha]

SamFlagg wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Gonna be worse this time around, I predict.

Gonna be a lot more people disregarding the rules and aiming for a ban by attacking the hell out of Bioware and their writers.

Not gonna be pretty.

I could see that happening if for no other reason than it being the point where anyone who had been civil at all just throws in the towel and walks away from the franchise.

That's what's going to happen if they don't absolutely deliver. There will be attacks on Bioware's writers and Bioware itself that will make the Helper story seem like nothing.

[ArenCordial]

Erixxxx wrote...

I can almost guarantee another backlash. Seeing what the people on the internet are capable, combined with several opinions on how the ending should or shouldn't change, toes will be stepped on, and we'll be back to square one on how Bioware "doesn't listen to it's fans".

Yes, but by then most people will be past their return period I believe.

[Unit-Alpha]

ArenCordial wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

I can almost guarantee another backlash. Seeing what the people on the internet are capable, combined with several opinions on how the ending should or shouldn't change, toes will be stepped on, and we'll be back to square one on how Bioware "doesn't listen to it's fans".

Yes, but by then most people will be past their return period I believe.

Yeah, this is going to make a lot of people say "screw Bioware" in the most vocal way possible and take the BSN ban. This is far, far worse from a fan's eyes than DA2. Far worse.

[Grasich]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

ArenCordial wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

I can almost guarantee another backlash. Seeing what the people on the internet are capable, combined with several opinions on how the ending should or shouldn't change, toes will be stepped on, and we'll be back to square one on how Bioware "doesn't listen to it's fans".

Yes, but by then most people will be past their return period I believe.

Yeah, this is going to make a lot of people say "screw Bioware" in the most vocal way possible and take the BSN ban. This is far, far worse from a fan's eyes than DA2. Far worse.

Agreed. This is not going to end well if it really is just "clarification".

[Madecologist]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yeah, this is going to make a lot of people say "screw Bioware" in the most vocal way possible and take the BSN ban. This is far, far worse from a fan's eyes than DA2. Far worse.

Worst, I suspect most will just go quietly. No final post of fustration, nothing. You will have the 'blaze of glory' posters but I suspect a large number of the dissatisfied will go with merely disdain and not make a final post as it were. If you think about the net result... you can see why this will be very bad in the long run for BW.

Modifié par Madecologist, 23 mars 2012 - 11:35 .