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[Barbarossa2010]

Clarity and closure are what Dr. Muzyka stated they would provide.  Don't expect much and you won't be let down.  BW sees nothing wrong with the product.  The whole "artistic integrity" defense proves it, plain and simple.  They were defensive after DA2 (and they should have been considering the collapse in sales from it's predecessor) and they are really defensive now.  A trend has been established and unless it significantly affects their bottom line, they will only do what they have to do to make this all go away. In short, don't expect much, but just enough to shake off the many Hold the Liners who will easily be brought to heel with crumbs.

Your first indicator should be that no where in BW is anyone talking like this guy:


http://www.g4tv.com/...th-Todd-Howard/

[ArenCordial]

The best thing they could do at this point is say lets make an ending that makes the awesomeness of ME1 and ME2's ending look like they were written by apprentice gamers. Something that blows the suicide mission out of the water.

That way
1. The ending haters get what they wanted.
2. The ending supports say "that was too good not to love it, even if I liked the original."

Tall order? Yes but its the best Bioware can hope for at this point and what they should be aiming for.

[lastpatriot]

77boy84 wrote...

There will be another backlash, but not like the backlash over the ending.

With the ending, people were mad, but they stuck around, and pleaded with bioware to change the ending. You get the whole retake mass effect thing, and everyone doing the hold the line thing, because they know bioware can do better, and they want them to.

With whatever dlc they release? It wont be the same. There will be a backlash, and then people will be done with bioware. It wont kill them, but it's going to really hurt them in a way they wont be able to recover from for a while.

77boy84,

I think you're 100% right on target here.  It's sad, but true.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Don't expect much and you won't be let down.

I guess you just created BioWare's new advertising slogan...

[Hicks233]

ArenCordial wrote...

The best thing they could do at this point is say lets make an ending that makes the awesomeness of ME1 and ME2's ending look like they were written by apprentice gamers. Something that blows the suicide mission out of the water.

That way
1. The ending haters get what they wanted.
2. The ending supports say "that was too good not to love it, even if I liked the original."

Tall order? Yes but its the best Bioware can hope for at this point and what they should be aiming for.

This.... so much. If they released a statement with that intent, clearly worded, without PR nonsense but also said.

This is going to take time to make, please be patient, kindly cease the (minority made) personal attacks on the development team and realise that - while we are working on this, it will be impossible to give everyone the exact ending they want.

This I could support, look forward to and encourage happily.

[sistersafetypin]

Mesmurae wrote...

It won't be long before Bioware is wondering why their DLC sales are tanking so badly.

This. Bioware has one shot at this for me. If they f--- it up, sorry to bad, I'm done. 

[CrasVox]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Don't expect much and you won't be let down.

I guess you just created BioWare's new advertising slogan...

That is a depressing thought isn't it?

And it hits close enough to hurt, that is for sure.


Bioware:  Overwhelmingly Adequate

[Sublime82]

ArenCordial wrote...

The best thing they could do at this point is say lets make an ending that makes the awesomeness of ME1 and ME2's ending look like they were written by apprentice gamers. Something that blows the suicide mission out of the water.

That way
1. The ending haters get what they wanted.
2. The ending supports say "that was too good not to love it, even if I liked the original."

Tall order? Yes but its the best Bioware can hope for at this point and what they should be aiming for.

This is really the only logical option.

[dointime85]

Most likely, they will restore the lines cut from the leaked script (which I just read) and then add some more. I highly doubt they will make major changes.

That said, even the version in the scipt is a little bit better than what we got. In it, the catalyst seems less like some kind of god but more like an pre-body-edi-like ai or even vi with limited capabilities which was created for a specific task that it cannot fulfill anymore (the slight changes of the exact words make it clearer: The Crucible has altered my function. I can't proceed vs The Crucible has changed me (...) new possibilities. I can't make it happen). In another line, it also makes it clear that it has lost control over the Reapers. Shepard is to become the catalyst. I'm also not sure if the destruction of the relays was intended for any other but the destroy option.

The changes from this version are subtle, but I find it nevertheless a pity that they were made.

Modifié par dointime85, 24 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[PsydonZero]

trifecta739 wrote...



Based on that brief response I can reasonably assume at least two things that will be in any ending "DLC":
- there will be an epilogue
- tiny explanatory segments (anywhere between 10-45 seconds each) will be woven into the ending as it is

Here's why both shouldn't be done:

- Epilogue: It's a bad idea because there's nothing left in the current ending that warrants an epilogue. My squad is stranded on some far off planet with the busted Normandy. They don't have enough people to start a diverse society and the odds of some of them (Tali/Garrus) surviving with the food available are slim. I'd say send some rescue team to get them but the mass relays are all destroyed, which leaves the fleet stuck around Earth. Yes, they can still travel without the mass relays but by the time they reached the team, they'd all either be dead or inbred beyond all intelligence. Without those mass relays every civilization is without a huge portion of what's left of their species. It might as well be genocide on a universal scale, even if the mass relays didn't nuke the major planets.

(TL;DR - An epilogue is worthless without a sound, solid ending.)

- Explanatory Segments: Filling in the plot holes with explanation is a good idea, but it is not enough to make a difference with the public dissent of the endings. Adding in minor cutscenes that don't change the ending will not salvage it or even redeem it slightly. Just realize this before doing it. 


All in all BioWare needs to rethink the whole "artistic integrity" argument. I understand what it is like when something is criticized that you were genuinely proud of it; it hurts. But "artistic integrity" is just a phrase; a common belief that an artist should not compromise their work for the sake of anyone else. Call me what you like, but I find it selfish. I find it selfish for refusing to let up and give some ground to the tens of thousands of fans, if not many more, that love and support Mass Effect. If I'm wrong in my predictions well then slap me hard and kick me out. We'll find out in April. Just don't forget about your fans BioWare. Never forget about them.

Indoctrination. The ending didn't happen. All they have to do is make a real ending that explains Shepard was indoctrinated and then shows what really happened (our war assets wipe out the Reapers for good).

[RiouHotaru]

There's always going to be a backlash. Even if their "clarification" could (and I believe it will!) explain the various plot-holes in a way that makes sense and is reasonable?

People will still whine and scream because the endings are still the same. You can't please everyone, and you shouldn't try. Bioware needs to stick to it's guns.

[Azrael08151819]

RiouHotaru wrote...

There's always going to be a backlash. Even if their "clarification" could (and I believe it will!) explain the various plot-holes in a way that makes sense and is reasonable?

People will still whine and scream because the endings are still the same. You can't please everyone, and you shouldn't try. Bioware needs to stick to it's guns.

Bioware lied while advertising and you take their side ? Disgusting

[Conduit0]

ArenCordial wrote...

The best thing they could do at this point is say lets make an ending that makes the awesomeness of ME1 and ME2's ending look like they were written by apprentice gamers. Something that blows the suicide mission out of the water.

That way
1. The ending haters get what they wanted.
2. The ending supports say "that was too good not to love it, even if I liked the original."

Tall order? Yes but its the best Bioware can hope for at this point and what they should be aiming for.

Except it won't happen, people are so hyper-critical at this point that they won't be satisfied no matter what Bioware throws at them.

[mjb203]

ArenCordial wrote...

The best thing they could do at this point is say lets make an ending that makes the awesomeness of ME1 and ME2's ending look like they were written by apprentice gamers. Something that blows the suicide mission out of the water.

That way
1. The ending haters get what they wanted.
2. The ending supports say "that was too good not to love it, even if I liked the original."

Tall order? Yes but its the best Bioware can hope for at this point and what they should be aiming for.

I've got to agree with you as well.  This is pretty much the only way they could come out of this in a good light.  Sadly, I'm afraid that they are only going to do a bare minimum of work and try to push this out the door as quick as they can.

Something like you suggested would of course take some time, and it would be time I'd be willing to give them!  As long as they were clear with their intentions.

[FyreSyder]

Do...they really not know what's wrong with the ending?

[ArenCordial]

Conduit0 wrote...

ArenCordial wrote...

The best thing they could do at this point is say lets make an ending that makes the awesomeness of ME1 and ME2's ending look like they were written by apprentice gamers. Something that blows the suicide mission out of the water.

That way
1. The ending haters get what they wanted.
2. The ending supports say "that was too good not to love it, even if I liked the original."

Tall order? Yes but its the best Bioware can hope for at this point and what they should be aiming for.

Except it won't happen, people are so hyper-critical at this point that they won't be satisfied no matter what Bioware throws at them.

They ARE going to lose people no matter what now, I think everyone can agree on that.  This is what they could do to lose the LEAST.

[StarGateGod]

RiouHotaru wrote...

There's always going to be a backlash. Even if their "clarification" could (and I believe it will!) explain the various plot-holes in a way that makes sense and is reasonable?

People will still whine and scream because the endings are still the same. You can't please everyone, and you shouldn't try. Bioware needs to stick to it's guns.

If bioware had delivered the product they had promised then ui woulod agree with you, however they did not. So they dont really have the right to stick to thier guns

[Kesak12]

I perdict more backlash once this dlc comes out and possibly a few more times after that.

[Jeitiiea]

If the pre-planned "real ending" was always intended to be released as a DLC, then this statement would still be valid. They wouldn't change anything, because the entire current ending (indoc theory or something else) would only be a series of events leading up to the 'actual' ending. Which could be truly epic and brilliant, and hopefully involve both the option to fail miserably and lose to the Reapers, and retire to a beach with Garrus and raise adopted baby krogans.

But I'm an idealist, after all...

[StarGateGod]

Jeitiiea wrote...

If the pre-planned "real ending" was always intended to be released as a DLC, then this statement would still be valid. They wouldn't change anything, because the entire current ending (indoc theory or something else) would only be a series of events leading up to the 'actual' ending. Which could be truly epic and brilliant, and hopefully involve both the option to fail miserably and lose to the Reapers, and retire to a beach with Garrus and raise adopted baby krogans.

But I'm an idealist, after all...

why would you want to adopt baby krogan's?

[Drudgie]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yeah, this is going to make a lot of people say "screw Bioware" in the most vocal way possible and take the BSN ban. This is far, far worse from a fan's eyes than DA2. Far worse.

Worst, I suspect most will just go quietly. No final post of fustration, nothing. You will have the 'blaze of glory' posters but I suspect most of the dissatisfied will go with merely disdain and not make a final post as it were. If you think about the net result... you can see why this will be very bad in the long run.

You can bet your bottom dollar I'm going out in a blaze of glory. Just for the hell of it.

I'll be with you, going out with a bang for my baby  blues.

[Unit-Alpha]

Drudgie wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yeah, this is going to make a lot of people say "screw Bioware" in the most vocal way possible and take the BSN ban. This is far, far worse from a fan's eyes than DA2. Far worse.

Worst, I suspect most will just go quietly. No final post of fustration, nothing. You will have the 'blaze of glory' posters but I suspect most of the dissatisfied will go with merely disdain and not make a final post as it were. If you think about the net result... you can see why this will be very bad in the long run.

You can bet your bottom dollar I'm going out in a blaze of glory. Just for the hell of it.

I'll be with you, going out with a bang for my baby  blues.

Rock on.

[MattFini]

I don't put much stock in that Twitter page, either.

Right now they're just reiterating one talking point taken directly from Dr. Ray's statement.

Fact of the matter is BioWare is probably ONLY NOW starting to gain some semblance of what it is they're going to do about this ending problem.

Of course we should all be skeptical, but maybe they'll put it off.

[CronoDragoon]

RiouHotaru wrote...

There's always going to be a backlash. Even if their "clarification" could (and I believe it will!) explain the various plot-holes in a way that makes sense and is reasonable?

People will still whine and scream because the endings are still the same. You can't please everyone, and you shouldn't try. Bioware needs to stick to it's guns.

You can still please a hell of a lot more people than are pleased right now.

[Wolven_Soul]

Either backlash or silence when we give up on the ME series.  Personally, I am starting to lose faith.  At least for Mass Effect.