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[Taboo]

GoblinSapper wrote...

Round ones over, we're just circling each other right now. Lets see what Bioware opens with in April. Stay invested, stay passionate, but don't burn yourselves out.

[Tranceptor]

Taboo-XX wrote...


Getting text isn't closure.

Receving a text message saying people you cared about died wouldn't closure you in real life would it?

It would if it was on twitter.

[Super_Angurius]

Ideally Bioware will announce the expanded and clarified form of the current ending coming out first, as a sort of band-aid quick fix, and for those who like the current ending, but also coming later, an actual alternate ending DLC for those who want it.

But I've learned that it's best to expect the worst. That way when something bad happens your not dissapointed, and if something good happens, you'll be pleasently surprised.

[mattynutz]

I don't think it will be a backlash. I think it will be a sigh. Disappointed fans will resign themselves to being finished with bioware. Their numbers might fall off enough for EA to either dictate big changes or begin to dismantle it so they can absorb it's assets. Or something like that. This time next year, the Bioware that we remember, the one that we wish would wake up, will most probably be completely and totally gone.

[Taboo]

Super_Angurius wrote...

Ideally Bioware will announce the expanded and clarified form of the current ending coming out first, as a sort of band-aid quick fix, and for those who like the current ending, but also coming later, an actual alternate ending DLC for those who want it.

But I've learned that it's best to expect the worst. That way when something bad happens your not dissapointed, and if something good happens, you'll be pleasently surprised.

All they need to do is say something and the pressure would ease off. At some point it's going to be unbearable.

[Generic Name]

Taboo-XX wrote...


Getting text isn't closure.

Receving a text message saying people you cared about died wouldn't closure you in real life would it?

That's actually how my mom and aunt found our their mom died.

Venom was sprewed that day.

Modifié par Generic Name, 24 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Taboo]

My point exactly. You can't satiate people emotionally by giving them a wall of text. They have no idea what kind of **** is going to go down.

[Ravenmyste]

ediskrad327 wrote...

so the Normandy is still lost forever in Jurassic Park with no hope to ever see Tali,Garrus,Javik,James, etc again? >_<

yep look that way

[Dragoonlordz]

Taboo-XX wrote...

My point exactly. You can't satiate people emotionally by giving them a wall of text. They have no idea what kind of **** is going to go down.

The only one will be surprised is yourself it you try that route.

[Taboo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

My point exactly. You can't satiate people emotionally by giving them a wall of text. They have no idea what kind of **** is going to go down.

The only one will be surprised is yourself it you try that route.

I'm having issues with your sytax. Also I should be more specific in my phrasing. They have no idea how their efforts are going to affect people. Based upon available data I get the feeling that people are still going to be upset.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 24 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[michael99887766]

Tazzmission wrote...

funny seeing people have stated closure is what they wanted

also op the bsn will rage about anything honestly because its the only thing they ever do sadly

im fine with the endings as is and if bioware wants to tie up lose ends hey great more story for me

and if they dont again fine i have an imagination and it wouldnt change how i love the game and franchise

I think the two most common grievance raised were closure and lack of choice. Really people want an answer to both, and feel that if only closure is addressed then a) the closure itself will be devalued as it's still closure of a rather crappy ending, and we still won't get any real choice at the end.

I think Bioware is engaging in the rather pointless exercise of trying to defuse and scatter the ending protestors. I think they will succeed, and the unity and perseverence of the Retake people will break, but Bioware won't really have salvaged much as many of their most loyal fans will still desert them.

[jlw970_xbox]

My daughter was seriously disturbed by the ending. So was I. In reality none of our choices made any difference in the final outcome.

The endings were quite dark. Especially the fact that the earth and all the fleets were destroyed when the SOL system's relay was destroyed (it had to be the first to go right...the crucibles signal was propagated through it and then it exploded). There appears to be no way to save the relays.

It seemed to me that the ending was hastily put together. Its as if there was all this content put together, but then the focal point was changed and three endings hastily invented.

The ending just wasn't worthy of where mass effect has been. That is my opinion.

[NormanRawn]

I will not be contributing to another debate over this topic. If they are only going to add closure to an ending that makes no sense to the ME universe (no matter how much more content they add), then I can't come back to this franchise.

BioWare has made it clear they stand by the ending that is in place, and I don't agree with it, both the writing of the ending and implementation of the ending was poorly done, and has ruined ME for me.

[Ruari]

mattynutz wrote...

I don't think it will be a backlash. I think it will be a sigh. Disappointed fans will resign themselves to being finished with bioware. Their numbers might fall off enough for EA to either dictate big changes or begin to dismantle it so they can absorb it's assets. Or something like that. This time next year, the Bioware that we remember, the one that we wish would wake up, will most probably be completely and totally gone.

Most likely what will happen. Bioware was trying to set up for ME4, and in the process alienated the fans that let them argue for making the first three. I would be glad if we were wrong, but it looks like this candle is reaching the end of its wick.

[Taboo]

All we have now is speculation. Denial only lasts so long on both sides. As I've said before fifty thousand people aren't just going to pack up and go home.

[Njald]

Artistic integrity is just buzz word for Bioware coorperate heads and a few embedded gaming journalists without the perspective to see how illinformed they are.
If there was any artistic integrity in the final designs of this game then the ending wouldn't have been rushed out like it was and it would have been subjected to peer review by the other writers who actually did the bulk of the work we enjoy and paid for.
If BW had artistic integrity we wouldn't have had portions of the game retooled purely for maximum DLC profits.
And if the people creating this had any sense of love for the project they wouldn't try to defend poor design with buzzwords and PRspin. They would cherish that they had the impact in their earlier projects for people to care about the suffering quality in this products final release instead of trying to belittling their audience or speaking down to them.
Bioware should not become the Uwe Boll of gaming industry and pissing on anyone questioning their business choices ham,pering their otherwise good quality. And If Casey and his ilk wants to become Uwe Boll then atleast mr Hudson should have the common curtsey to challenge opponents to a boxing match.

Modifié par Njald, 24 mars 2012 - 10:45 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

My point exactly. You can't satiate people emotionally by giving them a wall of text. They have no idea what kind of **** is going to go down.

The only one will be surprised is yourself it you try that route.

I'm having issues with your sytax. Also I should be more specific in my phrasing. They have no idea how their efforts are going to affect people. Based upon available data I get the feeling that people are still going to be upset.

It's "syntax" if wish to attack my literary competence. As for the second part of your reply, that is far more reasonable a response than the attempts to fan a flame or kickstart a retaliation with verbal threats and hostility.

[rinoe]

If this will be truth (they still could change their decisions), thats will be biggest mistake they could do - bigger that the crappy ending.

They listen, they gathering our opinions and suggestion - it is about time, they should UNDERSTAND what they listening.

The ending is bad - what is the point to explain it? Thats make it even more stupid.

We should do sometiing while we still can...

[Persephone]

Ruari wrote...

mattynutz wrote...

I don't think it will be a backlash. I think it will be a sigh. Disappointed fans will resign themselves to being finished with bioware. Their numbers might fall off enough for EA to either dictate big changes or begin to dismantle it so they can absorb it's assets. Or something like that. This time next year, the Bioware that we remember, the one that we wish would wake up, will most probably be completely and totally gone.

Most likely what will happen. Bioware was trying to set up for ME4, and in the process alienated the fans that let them argue for making the first three. I would be glad if we were wrong, but it looks like this candle is reaching the end of its wick.

Finished with Bioware until the next release...... This has been said for years and it has not happened.

I doubt VERY much that Bioware itself is in any danger of being dismantled OR absorbed. Esp. since ME3 sold millions and is still selling well.

Even if they were to make an expansion adding 35 endings, the voices we'd hear on the BSN would be those demanding Ending 36. Or some other change. Most satisfied customers don't go on the Internet to rage for weeks. And with the varying demands (Some just want closure and the ending we have expanded. Some just want epilogue slides. Others want the whole last mission rewritten. Another group wants additional endings. Some want a combo of these. There is NO way that everybody will be satisfied. And those wo are not will be the loudest. Again)

Modifié par Persephone, 24 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[esideras]

Erixxxx wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

cchudoba002 wrote...

There is literally nothing that they can do that won't cause a backlash. They are basically in damage control mode now. I honestly feel bad for them.

Hopefully I can get an answer from you! Why do you feel bad for them? This isn't baiting, I'm serious. I want to understand why. Do you feel bad for the company as a whole or the people that comprise it? The mods or the devs? Or both?

They made a product, poured their hearts, souls, and time into it. And what did they get in return? Death threats, hate, public ridicule, and a FTC complaint.

I agree, but they should've added more brains into the ending aswell. We wouldn't care much if the game was bad, that'd just be it bad game move on, dissapointed and what not. But it all feels so damned wrong, why put so much effort into making such a great game only to F-up right at the end. It's so depressing. Heck if I were in their shoes now I'd be dissapointed, but not in the fanbase. I'd be dissapointed in myself.

[Tranceptor]

Ruari wrote...

Most likely what will happen. Bioware was trying to set up for ME4, and in the process alienated the fans that let them argue for making the first three. I would be glad if we were wrong, but it looks like this candle is reaching the end of its wick.

I think you are exactly right on that point. At some point during ME3 development they decided to make 4, but in so doing they retooled a lot in 3 and gave a poor conclusion. The result beign that they shot themselves in the foot as future ME3 sales could very well be what prevents ME4 from ever getting made.

[charmedmeat]

mattynutz wrote...

I don't think it will be a backlash. I think it will be a sigh. Disappointed fans will resign themselves to being finished with bioware. Their numbers might fall off enough for EA to either dictate big changes or begin to dismantle it so they can absorb it's assets. Or something like that. This time next year, the Bioware that we remember, the one that we wish would wake up, will most probably be completely and totally gone.

I think it will take one more game release for that to occur, but yes I agree, they won't do anything, dismiss their fans, and EA will canabalize the company.

[xxLDZxx]

This is only my opinion as idealist.

Wait till April.
Maybe they say something maybe not.

Keep the forks and torches "If you really have too" on stand by.

Maybe this seams like a small victory.

Maybe ME is lost, but what ever Bioware is making in future will not bear the mark of "the Shepard and ME3" or any other game by other company's.

Maybe the PR will not lie so blunt in our faces like before, and they start to lie smarter.

Maybe they actually start to speak to the consumers like to humans strait and honest and not like snakes offering you a apple.(still the price is to high)

Maybe there wont be day one dlc, but week one dlc.

Maybe the gaming journalists( I am sorry for every journalists that dose this respectful job, and or died while doing this job) wont condemn every one immediate a whiner and start actually to "TEST" the games how they supposed to.Bring only information so the users/readers can make there own opinion.

Yes, maybe
Time will show
For me is this a major victory.

Thank you Hold the Line.

[Alamar2078]

After some thought on the issue I think:

-- The twitter post that was removed was a trial balloon to see if we would "break"
-- From what I could tell there was enough of a break / giveup / surrender / etc. that BW may just clarify the existing endings

If BW doesn't also announce a "real ending(s)" DLC then they're going to have to resign themselves to losing a noticeable chunk of their core fanbase [at best]

[ShepnTali]

The fires will be hot after the announcement, and eventually it will be cooled off. But that's not the problem. This will spread to more forums and new websites. The fire will compound. There is not much typical about this situation. No question, Bioware will not be fully financially immune from the froth. And I think it will be less about 'endings', but more about not listening to fans. This is a likely scenario IF they get a perceived bare minimum 'fix' for the endings.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 24 mars 2012 - 11:08 .