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[Persephone]

Gotta ask something:

With all the doom and gloom predictions...

IF this were true, Lionhead should be out of business for years. They have lied about every single Fable title (More blatantly than any Bioware PR and it wasn't just about endings either) and their fanbase is in an uproar after every release. Yet Fable IV is well on the way and people are thrilled about it...again.

So something does not add up here.

[Thumb Fu]

The first thing i said about the ending was "it needs expanding upon and a little more closure" i am more than happy with this announcement

[eoinnx03]

So silly of them. If this is true, they just arnt listening so deserve the backlash

[rinoe]

When you screw soemthing it is always hard to patch it up. It is obvious. Thare are always be some ppl to complain - but now is different - all ppl complain. I didn't meet anyone who likes it. Some accepts it, some even tell it is OK, full of holes but OK. NOT EVEN ONE PERSON says the ending is great. I do not remember anything like this in the past.

If you want to be heard, you must say something. And after this ending ppl come here and scream out of despair. It is not common.
It is hard for me to say I don't like Bioware work. I always liked it. But not now. So I'll be very carefull in the future. It is not vengence or anger. I simply lost my interest into company who holds tight to idea not even one fan likes, becouse this is art, or their idea. We told them what we want. We speek one voice now. If they don't want to listen, don't want to take the chance fans give them, why should I care in the future? I don't need to be disspointed in the future, so I simply avoid them.

They have the oportunity to fix their mistakes. They could have time for make it right. They could even make money out of this and get back their fans trust. If they want to ruin that chance becouse of pride... I will not support them in the future. That I can do.

[PlumPaul93]

Until people get the super happy ending there will be backlash unfortunately. Getting an epilogue is enough for me as long as it explains a lot of the questions the ending brought. It better not be anywhere close to $10 though.

[alienatedflea]

if there will be a backlash its because it was caused by all this crying by "hold the BS line" movement...if bioware does anything to help your "cause" then yes there will be a crapstorm heading their way...btw QQ some more...please

[Mitra]

They want to give us more explanations?? To what, this harassment of a so called ending??? THERE ARE NO WORDS, NO REAL EXISTING WORDS THAT COULD EVER EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT HAS NO REASON EVEN TO EXIST!
Give us options, happy endings, reapers win endings, Shep with Li together, with crew together, what happened to the rest of the fleets????
PR people are so bad on this one, baaaaaaaaad.
And if BW thinks that all we want is just a little bit more explanation for something that is pure wrong and with thought that will give us "some" closure, ohh boy, they are soooooo wrong, so wrong! That would smell bad even here in my distant little country!

BioWare, don't forget about the human memory. Usually it last for the rest of their days. Bad memories are never forgotten.

[eoinnx03]

Mitra wrote...

They want to give us more explanations?? To what, this harassment of a so called ending??? THERE ARE NO WORDS, NO REAL EXISTING WORDS THAT COULD EVER EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT HAS NO REASON EVEN TO EXIST!
Give us options, happy endings, reapers win endings, Shep with Li together, with crew together, what happened to the rest of the fleets????
PR people are so bad on this one, baaaaaaaaad.
And if BW thinks that all we want is just a little bit more explanation for something that is pure wrong and with thought that will give us "some" closure, ohh boy, they are soooooo wrong, so wrong! That would smell bad even here in my distant little country!

BioWare, don't forget about the human memory. Usually it last for the rest of their days. Bad memories are never forgotten.

Yes this!

[ZiegenkonigIII]

I'm not settling for "clarification" or any of that like either.

I think that they had to phrase it this way or else they would be losing investments, etc. It would basically be the same as admitting they failed. Hopefully that's the reason they chose to phrase it this way.

[Blue Liara]

 If they ad just some BS dialogue NO JUST NO. AHHHH NOOOOO. 

Will be just the biggest slap in the face. What is the point of all the 'were listening' and we 'want your feedback' when clearly that is all bollocks if they are just going to add some crap epilogue and not change the ending. 

Modifié par Blue Liara, 24 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[Dragoonlordz]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

I'm not settling for "clarification" or any of that like either.

I think that they had to phrase it this way or else they would be losing investments, etc. It would basically be the same as admitting they failed. Hopefully that's the reason they chose to phrase it this way.

They phrased it that way because that is what they will do.. They never alter their core games, they only ever add additional content to resolve peoples issues in the way of DLC outside the core main code and game. Gameplay mechanics they patch, core game narrative and content they do not but instead listen to feedback and address it with additional DLC outside the main title. This is how they have always done it and how theys said they intend to do so now.. You are free to hope and wish for endings cut, edited or replaced and such things but I suggest you do not get your hopes up. They made their intentions known already and they won't address the same issue twice, spending money and time developing content to address the issue multiple times especially when they clearly said they are developing content to provide exposition and closure but not altering the original endings.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 mars 2012 - 11:51 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Persephone wrote...

Gotta ask something:

With all the doom and gloom predictions...

IF this were true, Lionhead should be out of business for years. They have lied about every single Fable title (More blatantly than any Bioware PR and it wasn't just about endings either) and their fanbase is in an uproar after every release. Yet Fable IV is well on the way and people are thrilled about it...again.

So something does not add up here.

This is one of those "only time will tell" things.

Take how everyone likes to throw around the "16 different endings" quote from Casey Hudson. But that criticism is added on top of the fact that alot of people already hate the endings in and of themselves because they're so badly written. Developers are more likely to get away with bad PR/false advertising if their fan base is satisfied at the conclusion of the experience. If I thought that ME3's ending was one of the most beautiful things ever written, I might not care that I didn't get my 16 endings.

In this case, we have the typical outcry of "I'll never buy another Bioware game again", but also consider (on top of that) 1) the ME3 ending poll is, by a large margin, the most voted on poll in the BSN, with 60,000 saying they hate the endings and 2) that Bioware/EA have actually responded to this criticism.

These two points don't mean that Bioware is going out of business, but consider the fact that if this really were the "normal" level of outrage which we expect, they never would have responded at all. The forums were awash with screams after ME2 launched, yet I don't recall an organized petition to get that rewritten, amongst other things.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 24 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[Comguard2]

I don't know how an Epilogue should work. So, just creating it.

Because that would mean that they Bioware-writers sit together. And try to explain what can't be explained.

We're not talking about one tiny plothole that can be easily fixed, but plotholes on various levels, no idea how this can be fixxed.

"Harbinger didn't say anything because his language processor was damaged, StarChild never took action before Shepard comes because he was damaged, the Normandy used a prototype shuttle to take the Crew back in Space, then a malfunction forced Joker to leave the battle..."

Don't know, but maybe this is a good thing. Because maybe they realise while writing the epilogue what they've done, see that it's impossible to explain the impossible and fix it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Comguard2 wrote...

I don't know how an Epilogue should work. So, just creating it.

Because that would mean that they Bioware-writers sit together. And try to explain what can't be explained.

We're not talking about one tiny plothole that can be easily fixed, but plotholes on various levels, no idea how this can be fixxed.

"Harbinger didn't say anything because his language processor was damaged, StarChild never took action before Shepard comes because he was damaged, the Normandy used a prototype shuttle to take the Crew back in Space, then a malfunction forced Joker to leave the battle..."

Don't know, but maybe this is a good thing. Because maybe they realise while writing the epilogue what they've done, see that it's impossible to explain the impossible and fix it.

There are many forms the DLC could take outside of replacing and changing the core game. For example the AI people refer to as "God Child", a DLC that take people back in time to when the Citadel was first being created and showing why that AI came to is "solution" for the genocide and cycle based around past events. The Normandy and the crew on board with a DLC covered when they pulled out, why they pulled out how and what occured while doing so. The Relays, explaining and showing how there are different forms of explosion or implosion or not all of them were destroyed only the active ones not inactive or more possiblities which would mean noone dies based on a past event which shows how this is possible..  There are always ways to provide exposition without replacing the core game content even for the most tricky of plot holes and there are probably hundreds of alternatives to even my three suggestions.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 mars 2012 - 12:22 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Seeing as how this thread is titled I predict another backlash, I think this link is pretty relevant.  It lists the main issues the Retake movement has with the ending and what they want to see changed.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10454499/1

Seeing as how in general that is how the Retake movement feels on this issue, just adding some closure/clarification obviously wont cut it, and there will most definitely be another backlash.

Modifié par ZiegenkonigIII, 25 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Cassielle]

Oh this is going to be just glorious . . .

[Persephone]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...


Seeing as how in general that is how the Retake movement feels on this issue, just adding some closure/clarification obviously wont cut it, and there will most definitely be another backlash.

Again.... the demands/requests keep changing... at first it was "Just a little closure." as per your sig. Now that Bioware pretty much promised just that, it's no longer good enough.

Honestly, I am happy they are doing something at all. April will tell the tale and it's comin' quickly.

[Bomma72]

If they don't fix it it will be time to move on for me. Don't think I will be playing ME anymore though what's the point.

[robertm2]

if it costs money it better have a decent amount of gameplay content. if not well i guess you can blame retake mass effect members for having bioware waste there time on something that people were begging for and will still complain about because it isnt exactly how they want it to be. i for one would rather see some multiplayer dlc or some dlc that adds more content not just some explanation for something that doesnt need to be explained. bioware didnt kill the series whining fans with impossible expectations did.

[john v rambo]

That tweet isn't showing up on the offical twitter. Was it deleted?

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Persephone wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...


Seeing as how in general that is how the Retake movement feels on this issue, just adding some closure/clarification obviously wont cut it, and there will most definitely be another backlash.

Again.... the demands/requests keep changing... at first it was "Just a little closure." as per your sig. Now that Bioware pretty much promised just that, it's no longer good enough.

Honestly, I am happy they are doing something at all. April will tell the tale and it's comin' quickly.

The main problem is that there hasn't really been a clear-cut list of problems in a thread that stayed afloat long enough to see.  I can definitely see how a lot of people think that the demands keep changing, I was afraid this would happen since this whole thing started.

I also think that Bioware is taking the same observation as you are, I've been reading just about every post having to do with Retake, and the prevailing word is closure.  It's why I put that in my signature in fact, because that's the point I think should be taken care of above all.  It doesn't mean that it's the only thing we view wrong with the ending though.

The Our Choices Should Matter and the obvious plotholes in the current ending have been prevailing themes in the posts as well, however closure seems to stick out more then the two, though I can't imagine why.  There have also been various other complaints as well, ranging from removing the entire ending as it stands, to changing the entire game.  Obviously these people are in the majority.

Now that I have read a few more topics, it seems like Bioware has paid attention to the closure and plothole remarks. moreso then the Choice issue.  I am guessing this is partly because adressing the Choice issue would cost signifigantly more resources then the other two (i.e more endings).

TL;DR 
It is mostly the Retake's movement for not stating our true intentions as clearly as we should, however we have stated the three issues multiple times; alebit most were disorganized and unclear.

[vometia]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

It is mostly the Retake's movement for not stating our true intentions as clearly as we should, however we have stated the three issues multiple times; alebit most were disorganized and unclear.

Thing is, it's not really a single, cohesive movement (as far as I know), just a bunch of players who all have their own reasons for being disgruntled with the ending.  The one common factor is that the current ending is crap, which I agree with.

[AtreiyaN7]

ericjdev wrote...

I predict that something will set a large group of people off sometime in the next 24 hours, it doesn't seem to take much lately.

Next major controversy: the merits of poppy-seed bagels versus plain bagels. Let the fighting commence!

[Wabajakka]

The only way this problem can be fixed is if they have had a 'continuation' of the ending planned before launch, it was a marketing stunt or they were expecting it/didn't have time to finish.

Otherwise, all we're getting is an epilogue. That's a fact.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 25 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[Arppis]

vometia wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

It is mostly the Retake's movement for not stating our true intentions as clearly as we should, however we have stated the three issues multiple times; alebit most were disorganized and unclear.

Thing is, it's not really a single, cohesive movement (as far as I know), just a bunch of players who all have their own reasons for being disgruntled with the ending.  The one common factor is that the current ending is crap, which I agree with.

Yeah, there should be a clear census about the requests.

Ps. I want to see those Zaeed's flower arragments.