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[TheTrueObelus]

Troll thread guys...

[demin8891]

http://4funz.com/Fun...hread-again-167

[HenchxNarf]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Achaewa wrote...

Seems to me that the OP is choosing specific replies and twisting them into his own words to use against others.

Seriously has he even read any of the longer posts. Mass Effect is a videogame, a videogame is a product, a product is bought by the consumers, if the consumers do not like the product, they'll find one that's better and the developer wont get any money in the future. That's capitalism 101.

This.

Let this thread die, please. 

Why? Because they don't see it the way you do?

He's allowed to state his opinion, just like you are.

[Unit-Alpha]

Tazzmission wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

If they (the artist) decide that they want to change their art, they are free to do so. But we have no right to demand a change within art. To demand that an artist changes his art is silly to say the least. We may voice our displeasure. We may decide not to buy future products of the artist. We may even suggest the artist to change his art. but we cannot DEMAND the artist to change his art.

This, people need to understand the distinction.

Except, we are allowed to demand one.

It's in the Constitution and many other countries' founding documents.

the constituion also says people  have freedom of speech so should the kkk say what they say even though you know its wrong?


just because they have such a right dosent make it ok still

They are allowed to under the Constitution, and I respect that, even if I think those bigots should go die.

Also, you are comparing us to the KKK? That's just stupid.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Demanding to make Mass Effect better is now a bad thing? I'm not buying it.

I'm fighting so that this franchise can be forever remembered for all the good things, not for the crappy ending. As it stands now, this IP is destined to die as "that game with the crappy ending." (Yes, I have heard it referred to as such, and this is only the beginning.) Unfortunately, due to the way our minds are structured, one bad experience can ruin an entire memory...which means that this ending can ruin not just ME3, but ME1 and ME2 as well. Am I saying that it's reasonable to have it be ruined because the last 10 minutes were horrible? No. But then again, the mind is not a reasonable thing.

BioWare can either fix this, or let the last 10 minutes of the game sink the franchise. It's up to them.

[Unit-Alpha]

Luc0s wrote...

GUYS PLEASE STOP FIGHTING!

My thread will get locked because you guys cannot behave like mature adults. Take your petty insults and childish behavior somewhere else please! THANK YOU!

Oh no! I wouldn't want this insightful thread to get locked!

[Dranume]

Gah.. to much banter back and forth about who is right or wrong. If BW wants to add more cut scenes to give current endings further clarification and a epilog, then that would be awesome and I would be content. If BW feels the need to create some vastly different endings to add to the current collection then again, that would be super awesome. Even if they want to scrap what they already have and come up with some completely different ones, then that is cool with me.

In the End, I bought the product and did not like that one thing about it. So I complained. They have the right to say "Tough Luck" or " Lets see what we can do to resolve this". Have some people in the movement lost focus of the original intentions? possibly. Since the Press release has the movement fractured into more defined groups? looks that way from my end. Do I agree with the large amount of negative attention that certain BW employees are getting due to this.. no, I think that part sucks and they should not have to deal with it. I still Believe in BW and I still believe in the original concept of the Retake movement. But do not sit there and preach to people that they are wrong for using the word or action of Demand. Everyone is within their own rights in one way or another to demand. The right or wrong is in the Conduct of said demand.

Modifié par Dranume, 24 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[frostajulie]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Hasn't this been covered before?
They have the right to make any sort of ending they want.
I have a right to think that their ending is terrible and say that it would be better if they did X.
They have the right to change or not change the endings if they want to. They just have to decide if they like their "artistic integrity" or whatever better than they like my money.

QFT and wisdom.

[Zix13]

Hey Op, want to respond to response to your ****-talking? Thanks.

[Madecologist]

Before people assume I am defending Bioware.

I want to see them file bankruptcy or be 'shut down' by EA. I want to see the company end its fiscal existence even if it means some of the people I know personally will have to go find another job.

So no, I am not a defender of Bioware. I am just extremely ruthless in my disatisfaction. No backsies or second chances.

Modifié par Madecologist, 24 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[Siegdrifa]

Sorry op but i don't agree with you.

Art is not static and meant to be never changed.
Art start to exist as soon as someone see art through X thing for Y subjective or objective reasons.

Lot of artist enjoy today the comodity of their technical evolution in order to work again on X part later because they want to tweak / edit / add / moddify.

All artists, always go away from their creation at some point, so when they come back later, they have a clear mind and can judge their work with a different eyes, and keep working on it without a biased vision.

Bioware is legit to not change their ending.
Artist are not meant to be uncriticized, they are not god of wisdome and truth, if they want to progress, true artist face the frustration of their mistake and try to take a new perspective that will may them better at what they express, how they express it.

[wantedman dan]

Luc0s wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

If they (the artist) decide that they want to change their art, they are free to do so. But we have no right to demand a change within art. To demand that an artist changes his art is silly to say the least. We may voice our displeasure. We may decide not to buy future products of the artist. We may even suggest the artist to change his art. but we cannot DEMAND the artist to change his art.

This, people need to understand the distinction.

You need to understand the distinction between a commodity and art.

And you need to understand the disctinction between video-games as a commodity and game art within video-games.

I've already made your lacklustre distinction quite moot two pages prior.

GTFO with your nonsense.

[Aznable Char]

 Luc0s , I believe if you were to look over at my post (gosh this thread moves so fast) , I can demonstrate how you are still right and why the Retake movement is still valid in the new parameters you have come to appreciate about movies and art .

[Joe1962]

Divide and conquer was their strategy.

It seems they have done so. :-(

[Reptilian Rob]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Achaewa wrote...

Seems to me that the OP is choosing specific replies and twisting them into his own words to use against others.

Seriously has he even read any of the longer posts. Mass Effect is a videogame, a videogame is a product, a product is bought by the consumers, if the consumers do not like the product, they'll find one that's better and the developer wont get any money in the future. That's capitalism 101.

This.

Let this thread die, please. 

Why? Because they don't see it the way you do?

He's allowed to state his opinion, just like you are.

Big difference between opinion and contorsion.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 24 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[Tazzmission]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

If they (the artist) decide that they want to change their art, they are free to do so. But we have no right to demand a change within art. To demand that an artist changes his art is silly to say the least. We may voice our displeasure. We may decide not to buy future products of the artist. We may even suggest the artist to change his art. but we cannot DEMAND the artist to change his art.

This, people need to understand the distinction.

Except, we are allowed to demand one.

It's in the Constitution and many other countries' founding documents.

the constituion also says people  have freedom of speech so should the kkk say what they say even though you know its wrong?


just because they have such a right dosent make it ok still

They are allowed to under the Constitution, and I respect that, even if I think those bigots should go die.

Also, you are comparing us to the KKK? That's just stupid.

your movment compared itself to both the civil rights and womens movment last week in the non spoiler section buddy

so hey if they want to play it like that then yea i will say you are just like kkk

[Unit-Alpha]

Joe1962 wrote...

Divide and conquer was their strategy.

It seems they have done so. :-(

He wasn't on your team from the beginning.

[Zix13]

Luc0s wrote...

Gosh, I didn't know BSN was so dumb and illiterate. <_<

Luc0s wrote...

GUYS PLEASE STOP FIGHTING!

My thread will get locked because you guys cannot behave like mature adults. Take your petty insults and childish behavior somewhere else please! THANK YOU!

Trololol

[wantedman dan]

Joe1962 wrote...

Divide and conquer was their strategy.

It seems they have done so. :-(

From one naysayer?

Shush.

[Marque De Leon]

Luc0s wrote...

I hate to dissapoint you, but not everyone who disagrees with you or the majority is a troll.

They're not calling you a troll  because you disagree, they're calling you a troll because despite countless posts that have stated "DEMANDING DOES NOT EQUATE TO FORCING" you continue to prattle on.

[xxskyshadowxx]

HenchxNarf wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

We are customers.

We paid money for a product. In the art world, it's called commission. And guess who makes the choices there?

You guessed it, the buyer.

Not once its done and its been paid for. Trust me. I'm an illustrator 

And trust me, I'm an artist. If someone asks for a commission and I give them something else, they have every right to demand I do what they paid for. 

While that is true. it does not apply in the case of a video game, and one who's story was never yours, but the people who created it. Not for you, but for their story.

It was created to earn money. It was created for the buyers.....the people with the money....the money they wanted. IF it was for the people who created it, we would have all gotten our copies for free.

Kind of like that fellow who does those crazy/amazing  three dimensional chalk drawings on sidewalks. That's the proper example of creating art for the person who created it.

[Mad-Hamlet]

Let me ask you this:

No. You may not ask that question- I correct myself: You can ask that question of course but the answer you get, any answer including your own does nothing what-so-ever to bolster your position.

Three seconds of introspection would convince you of that.

Your ultimate argument is also grievously flawed as you are passing a Value Judgement and attempting to use your conclusions to dictate to me what I should or should not do using The Morality Gambit as your justification.
I have free will and I will do as I see fit; as long as what I do does nothing to interfere with others execution of their own free will there is no way in any kind of colored Hell (Some with even more than three colors) what I do can be labeled 'Wrong'.
Unless of course you have an 'Agenda', that you think you know what is Right for me and others and are willing to use whatever you can to manipulate to your satisfaction.

And that is Wrong.

You have become convinced through the article you read (And I read it, and it's utter Holier-Than-Thou garbage) that Holding the Line is wrong for you. Jolly good, rock on out and merry tides to you sailor-boy. May bonny lasses meet you in the harbor of your choosing.

In the meantime, myself and others like minded, will do what we do and none of it should bother you in the slightest (Particularly if the lasses I mentioned are feeling especially bonny- if you know what I mean)

I'm glad you found your place in reality, now go toward it without thinking you have any idea of what is right or wrong for me.

Modifié par Mad-Hamlet, 24 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[wantedman dan]

Zix13 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Gosh, I didn't know BSN was so dumb and illiterate. <_<

Luc0s wrote...

GUYS PLEASE STOP FIGHTING!

My thread will get locked because you guys cannot behave like mature adults. Take your petty insults and childish behavior somewhere else please! THANK YOU!

Trololol

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